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The Red Walker
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 Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 18:54:25
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While Manshoon and Elminster don't have Silver Fire listed in their blocks I don't think it would be a stretch for them to be able to use it since they were tied into the Weave at some point. Those who've chosen to champion Aglarond can use a form of Silver Fire. It uses the same name and the description reads as follows:
You summon a jet of pure magical power that burns through all defenses and empowers your other spells.
It's an encounter power for that Paragon path that has a range of 50 ft. and targets one creature. The attack uses Intelligence but with a heafty +8 to the roll so even if your primary stat is say....Wisdom or Charisma you can still benefit from it since it's SUCH are large bonus. The damage appears meager (only 1d6 + Intelligence modifier) but the damage is consistant thoughout the REST of the battle due to the target taking additional damage = to 1/2 your level whenever you hit it again. So a 14th level Wizard would hit the target with Silver fire for say, 1d6 + 5 + other stuff like enchantment bonuses, items, feats, yadda-yadda and for the entirety of the battle each attack would deal an additional 7 damage on top......just cuz'.
Now if your not familiar with the rules for 4E, this is pretty strong since you can make multiple attacks via Action Points and other gimmicks. And having TWO people with Silver Fire have an easier chance of ending the lives of strong monsters quicker.
Thanks for the explanation! I'm still a little confused about where the power comes from if the Weave is not the source of magic anymore? Is it not explained? Does it draw on whatever the new source of magic is?
I was thinking after the spellplague, chosen only had a finite amount of Sliver Fire. It wasnt "recharged" by the weave and that partially why El was stealing magic items in Cormyr....To feed the Simbul and keep her sane due to her loss of it. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Emma Drake
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 19:13:39
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
Thanks for the explanation! I'm still a little confused about where the power comes from if the Weave is not the source of magic anymore? Is it not explained? Does it draw on whatever the new source of magic is?
I was thinking after the spellplague, chosen only had a finite amount of Sliver Fire. It wasnt "recharged" by the weave and that partially why El was stealing magic items in Cormyr....To feed the Simbul and keep her sane due to her loss of it.
That's my thought as well. I'm more confused on this power that the champions of Aglarond use. They're calling it silver fire, but I'm not able to figure out how that can be the case if the Weave is kaput. |
"I am always here, all about you. You are never truly alone. I flow wherever life flows, wherever winds blow and water runs and the sun and moon chase each other, for there is magic in all things."
- Mystra (Ed Greenwood, Silverfall) |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 19:17:19
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
Thanks for the explanation! I'm still a little confused about where the power comes from if the Weave is not the source of magic anymore? Is it not explained? Does it draw on whatever the new source of magic is?
I was thinking after the spellplague, chosen only had a finite amount of Sliver Fire. It wasnt "recharged" by the weave and that partially why El was stealing magic items in Cormyr....To feed the Simbul and keep her sane due to her loss of it.
That's my thought as well. I'm more confused on this power that the champions of Aglarond use. They're calling it silver fire, but I'm not able to figure out how that can be the case if the Weave is kaput.
Maybe it's drawn directly from The Simbul.....and thats whys she went batcrap crazy...a bunch of jumped up, self titled "champion of Aglarond"s running about all willy nilly leeching her of her silver fire? |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Emma Drake
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 19:22:11
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Maybe it's drawn directly from The Simbul.....and thats whys she went batcrap crazy...a unch of self title "champion of Aglarond" running about all willy nilly leeching her of her silver fire?
Haha. I can see it now. Some sort of ritual that bound her power/soul to the land. Seemed like a good idea at the time... 100 years later: "It's so good to be sane again. Wonder what keeps making me crazy? Must be careful not to cast spells. Lalala. Wait, noooo... Now I remember! Not again, you twits! Ahhhhh! Oooh, look, bird! Bird bird bird bird MOUSE. Nom nom nom." And then Elminster comes and it begins again. |
"I am always here, all about you. You are never truly alone. I flow wherever life flows, wherever winds blow and water runs and the sun and moon chase each other, for there is magic in all things."
- Mystra (Ed Greenwood, Silverfall) |
Edited by - Emma Drake on 23 Aug 2013 19:22:49 |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 21:58:27
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Just to respond to the discussion about the soul, multiple stasis clones and silverfire: Might it be possible for the stasis clone spell to work that Manshoon must leave a miniscule piece of his lifeforce in them? If so, this could mean that each one has a bit of silverfire in it (I know I'm basically repeating Emma's comment above here). The point I'm driving at is that Manshoon never had the FULL power of the Chosen b/c his fire is subdivided so much, but the fewer that remain the stronger the active clone becomes. Just food for thought.
Since my own opinion (and if anyone knows of canon references that support, alters, or destroys this opinion please tell me) of silverfire is that it is spellfire comingled with Mystra's divine essence (her soul, if you will) it stands to reason that mortals who receive silverfire have their souls fundamentally altered to house it.
Oh and just an afterthought that is actually off topic. In Volo's Guide to All Things Magical, there is a discussion that refers to the search by wizards everywhere for the UNIVERSAL COMPONENT. That component should be silverfire. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 22:02:27
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| I just had another thought about Larloch. Markustay please chime in if you read this as it's based on your opinion on the nature of the Shadowking. Markustay's opinion is that the Shadowking (currently Larloch, others have had this title) is the Shadow Weave equivalent to Mystra's Magister. If so, it may have once been possible for Larloch to touch silverfire but no longer...he has been tied to the Shadow Weave far too intimately for that. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 22:11:51
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
Thanks for the explanation! I'm still a little confused about where the power comes from if the Weave is not the source of magic anymore? Is it not explained? Does it draw on whatever the new source of magic is?
Just jumping back in here for a comment. In the era 4E, I'm not sure we can say that the Weave was completely destroyed. Frayed, seriously damaged, unraveled maybe, but perhaps not destroyed.
That said, becoming a Chosen (and getting silver fire) is like being invested with a shard or fragment of Mystra's essence. Mystra literally "gives it up" and can't get it back by force (well, aside from killing the Chosen). So her Chosen literally hold a portion of the goddess within themselves.
Now with Manshoon, he doesn't care about gods really, just power. He would use that power a lot, and perhaps he used it so much that it became intimately tied to his soul - such that it wouldn't dissipate "normally" like when another Chosen dies. That may be the reason he had multiple clones activate at once - perhaps his soul has fragmented and yet each of those fragments is comingled with Mystra's essence such that "mere death" won't cause the Silver Fire to go "back to the source" upon his death. Elminster had to literally rip the Silver Fire from vamp-Manshoon in that clone, which isn't something we've seen. Manshoon may be unique.
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 22:24:24
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It is a VERY real possibility that Manshoon is unique in this regard. This is why I hate NDA's. It should really be a simple matter to get clarification on this.  |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Aug 2013 : 22:34:13
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
Thanks for the explanation! I'm still a little confused about where the power comes from if the Weave is not the source of magic anymore? Is it not explained? Does it draw on whatever the new source of magic is?
I was thinking after the spellplague, chosen only had a finite amount of Sliver Fire. It wasnt "recharged" by the weave and that partially why El was stealing magic items in Cormyr....To feed the Simbul and keep her sane due to her loss of it.
That's my thought as well. I'm more confused on this power that the champions of Aglarond use. They're calling it silver fire, but I'm not able to figure out how that can be the case if the Weave is kaput.
Maybe it's drawn directly from The Simbul.....and thats whys she went batcrap crazy...a bunch of jumped up, self titled "champion of Aglarond"s running about all willy nilly leeching her of her silver fire?
I don't think the Weave was destroyed, just completely unraveled and destroyed the way casters have been accessing it for centuries. Those of Aglarond who have been studying The Simbul ajd learning from her might have gleaned how to draw a bit of the Weave directly. That could explain why its only usable in short durations and not upon command like the Chosen could do.
Of course one of the "charms" of 4E is that its open enough to interpretation so that the Player or DM can devise their own reasoning and not completely go against Canon. |
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Did the Chosen Lose the Silverfire?
