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Apex
Learned Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 25 Jul 2013 : 20:53:13
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I am starting a 1st/2nd edition campaign that will at least initially be set in the Moonshaes in roughly 1343DR. Are there any sources of info for this time period (specifically for the Moonshaes) besides what I list below:
FR2 Moonshae
The Moonshae Trilogy
Halls of the High King
The Druidhome Trilogy (out of time obviously)
Forgotten Realms Atlas
Are there any dragon articles or dungeon adventures from the 1st/2nd era set in the Moonshaes? Any help would be appreciated.
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 : 22:30:18
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I will list what I know , and let you decide if it helps you or not
Bhaal, corrupts one of the Earthmother's Moonwells of the Moonshae Isles. From this Darkwell, Kazgaroth the Beast attempted to destroy the Earthmother and ruin the Moonshaes.
Talaos tried to gain worship on the island
And something dealing with pools of darkness that I don't really fully remember
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Kris the Grey
Senior Scribe
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2013 : 03:09:41
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The Moonshaes were a favorite of mine in my early Realms years (probably owing to the novels). Two non FR specific sources I found (with a 1E/2E bent) helpful in running them with the proper flavor were the Vikings and Celts historical guides (of the old 2E Green Books series). They gave good names, kits, legends, gear and the like for both Ffolk (Celtic) and Northmen (Viking) societies.
One of the things to remember pre-1350's was the SEVERE paucity of mages on the islands. The circle of wizards in Caer Callidyrr (of Black Wizards novel fame) was about the only major group running around. It helped to give the place a unique flavor in an otherwise generally wizard friendly world. (Sure, we could go into the fact that the isles were just slapped onto the Realms, but that's not my point!) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Jul 2013 : 00:55:53
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Thinking back I think there are some Polyhedron articles for the Moonshae's. Also Villian's Lorebook, if I recall, has a write up on Kazgaroth. Or maybe it was the earlier type of sourcebook, uh uh uh Hall of Heroes. :) That's what the name of the book was, it's been awhile.
But yea, there's a old Polyhedron about Grond Peaksmasher at least. It's issue 111 btw. :) Polyhedron 144 also has some magic items of Chauntea that are used on the Moonshae's.
Dungeon 149 has a Moonshae adventure.
Realmspace, the spelljammer sourcebook, also has a bit about a castle that used to be on the Moonshaes. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 27 Jul 2013 01:03:53 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 27 Jul 2013 : 01:12:32
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Originally posted by Kuje
Realmspace, the spelljammer sourcebook, also has a bit about a castle that used to be on the Moonshaes.
Caer Windlauer. As I recall, this is mentioned nowhere in Realms canon -- which is part of the Realms I discount everything in Realmspace that deals with Toril itself. |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
789 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2013 : 04:40:08
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| you know for an Australian, you are sure picky about the queens English :P , being outlaws and criminals on that Island and all. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2013 : 05:20:19
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
you know for an Australian, you are sure picky about the queens English :P ...
True enough. It's sometimes difficult for non-Americans like myself to participate in many online communities which are predominantly populated by US residents.
Having said that, I wasn't actually picking on the incorrect title of the tome referenced, but, rather just confirming Kuje's uncertainty about the location of the write-up for Kazgaroth. Which I'm pretty sure Kuje would've suspected was my intent anyway, since we'd long ago established such habits of confirming sources between ourselves both here and over on the WotC boards.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36906 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2013 : 06:53:27
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Jul 2013 : 07:09:13
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Oh, I didn't even notice the correction until Silver mentioned it. I figured you were just doing as you said, confirming that Kaz was in Villian's Lorebook. (That time I did it on purpose! MUH HAHAHHA!)
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Originally posted by The Sage
Having said that, I wasn't actually picking on the incorrect title of the tome referenced, but, rather just confirming Kuje's uncertainty about the location of the write-up for Kazgaroth. Which I'm pretty sure Kuje would've suspected was my intent anyway, since we'd long ago established such habits of confirming sources between ourselves both here and over on the WotC boards.
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 29 Jul 2013 : 12:31:34
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| The heroes of the Moonshaes are also in 2e Heroes' Lorebook, as in the 1e Hall of Heroes. |
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Lord of Bones
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jul 2013 : 13:35:38
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| Hobarth (the Cleric of Bhaal) and Cyndre (the Red Wizard) are also in the Villains' Lorebook. |
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
479 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2013 : 14:08:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Caer Windlauer. As I recall, this is mentioned nowhere in Realms canon -- which is part of the Realms I discount everything in Realmspace that deals with Toril itself.
It was part of Spelljammer canon which in return was part of the multiverse setting which is canon prior to 4e, so i have to disagree with you here Wooly, i see it perfectly as canon as any other realms material officially published by TSR. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 29 Jul 2013 : 20:11:56
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Originally posted by Lord Bane
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Caer Windlauer. As I recall, this is mentioned nowhere in Realms canon -- which is part of the Realms I discount everything in Realmspace that deals with Toril itself.
It was part of Spelljammer canon which in return was part of the multiverse setting which is canon prior to 4e, so i have to disagree with you here Wooly, i see it perfectly as canon as any other realms material officially published by TSR.
As I've discussed elsewhere, I tend to discount anything Toril-centric in Realmspace because none of it is backed up anywhere in published Realmslore. Nothing on the Moonshaes, for example, mentions a castle mysteriously vanishing or the order of assassins mention in the write-up.
It is, technically, canon. But since it's not and FR book and including its FR lore is problematic, I prefer to ignore that part of the book. And this is from an FR junkie whose first love was Spelljammer -- as my username should indicate. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2013 : 03:26:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Lord Bane
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Caer Windlauer. As I recall, this is mentioned nowhere in Realms canon -- which is part of the Realms I discount everything in Realmspace that deals with Toril itself.
It was part of Spelljammer canon which in return was part of the multiverse setting which is canon prior to 4e, so i have to disagree with you here Wooly, i see it perfectly as canon as any other realms material officially published by TSR.
As I've discussed elsewhere, I tend to discount anything Toril-centric in Realmspace because none of it is backed up anywhere in published Realmslore. Nothing on the Moonshaes, for example, mentions a castle mysteriously vanishing or the order of assassins mention in the write-up.
It is, technically, canon. But since it's not and FR book and including its FR lore is problematic, I prefer to ignore that part of the book. And this is from an FR junkie whose first love was Spelljammer -- as my username should indicate.
I've always thought it would just be easier to assume that while the content in Realmspace may not directly mesh with canon Realmslore, we shouldn't be too quick to discount that most of the information *can* still be true. Though it may have the unfortunate consequence of being problematic to properly confirm because -- a) most Realmsfolk either don't care or don't have much interest in what lay beyond the edges of their immediate surroundings, and b) it can be touted as just hearsay and rumour anyways, so facts are a rarity in terms of knowing exactly what resides beyond Toril. |
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