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Green Giant
Seeker
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 Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 15:46:33
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Looks like the return of the Planescape setting to the Forgotten Realms. The Inner Planes will be modified slightly. There will be a border, deep, and Elemental Chaos to them. The Feywild will remain but Ravenloft will replace the Shadowfell although elements of it may become domains in Ravenloft.
Article http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20130701.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 16:50:20
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Very Interesting - a few of their 'tweaks' sounds like stuff I've done in my own HB cosmology ('layers', with things changes as you go 'deeper' into a plane). The Feywild/positive and Shadowfel/Negative are spot-on the way I have them.
So I guess that means I like it. 
To me, this one statement is all-important for cohesion-purposes:quote:
"Ideally, our approach allows Eberron, Forgotten Realms, the world of the Nentir Vale, Greyhawk, Mystara, and your own campaign setting to work with the basic assumptions we make about the planes."
As far as I was concerned, Eberron really screwed-up the great over-setting we had in 2e and all its inter-connectivity - I'm glad EB will have to bend to the general consensus (not that EB's cosmology was bad... it just didn't fit with the rest, and completely screwed over the other worlds when 3e rolled around, IMO).
As for the brief mention of Spelljammer, I've lost total interest. I'd have preferred it be divorced from outer space completely and that they focused on the world-hopping aspects (using the Astral Seas and outer planes as the old Phlogiston, etc). Ah well, I guess we can't have everything.
Not that I don't like Scify, I just prefer it not mix with my fantasy (not like this, at any rate). They are ignoring Greyhawk and Mystara, and pushing one of the silliest settings they ever did? Not a good sign. It just reminds me too much of a much of old Hanna-Barbara cartoons. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 17:24:33
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| Wow, that might actually interest me in buying planar material again since all the settings will be connected again. Interested, yes! |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 18:06:12
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| The return of the Wheel is great news, and I like the border elemental region, still I wonder what's the difference between Limbo and Elemental Chaos. I think Faerie is a better name than Feywild, and it should also be coterminous with similar outer planes (Arborea, Beastlands ...). |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 18:25:50
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| So now I can write a Forgotten Realms novel that's also a Ravenloft novel? Interesting. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 19:26:51
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So will there no longer be a plane of Shadow?
I'm happy to see the Great Wheel coming back, even in a modified form. The change to the Tree was wholly unnecessary and broke more than it added. |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 20:20:59
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Hear, hear. Ditching Planescape was a sad move, and I'm glad to see it's being reversed. Likewise Spelljammer... Markus' mention of the Astral Sea evokes great imagery for me, but I'm also on board with Mike's plan to return to "D&D in space" as a totally independent setting without trying to make it a connector of worlds.
Whatever happened to Alternity? I never bought it, and know nothing about it except that it had some kind of sci-fi connection. Same with d20 Modern and Gamma World. I'm torn between worrying about and encouraging a melding of the four.
There is a space open for an interesting method of traveling between worlds within the Prime Material, but I think it might be best placed within the context of Planescape, in order to keep it clearly based on D&D, rather than Spelljammer (which perhaps some people viewed as something other than D&D).
And the return of the Great Wheel, in particular, is very welcome... then again, it never left as far as I'm concerned.
We need, or at least want, a plane of shadow.
In my head, the Feywild (as the original home of all things fey; I'm not familiar with what 4e has done with this concept beyond the creation of this name, which I like) should be a region within a plane like Arborea, rather than a plane in its own right. Alternatively, it could be a demiplane that doesn't have "borders" with other planes, similar to Ravenloft. Er... the former Ravenloft. *sigh*
Ravenloft will lose a lot, if not all, of its character and flavor in its redefinition as the border region between the Prime Material and the Negative energy plane. Zero enthusiasm for this decision. I really wish you people would stop trying to integrate and blandify unique things into inadequate existing systems.
I don't like the "border elemental planes" that Mike's talking about. I'm fine with gray areas at the edge of planes, but talking about them as rings of planes complicates things without necessity or benefit. "Border fire elemental plane" is linguistically and conceptually awkward. We don't need a border plane and a chaos plane in addition to the elemental plane. We just need the elemental plane, and border regions. No rings. Regions.
Each of these planes has a border, so with 12 elemental planes you create a situation where we potentially need to distinguish between the edge of the border fire elemental plane near the deep fire elemental plane and the edge of the deep fire elemental plane near the border fire elemental plane. Don't do it.
Also nice to see Greyhawk and Mystara mentioned. Perhaps we'll see some new development in those settings too?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 22:14:57
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I don't see a need to decouple Spelljammer from the Realms or Greyhawk; part of the point of the setting was to connect the other settings. And there is more than a little Spelljammer lore in the Realms, so I'm not sure the space element can be taken away without invalidating prior lore.
Honestly, I'd rather see Spelljammer ignored for another edition, instead of being -- once again -- forced to be something it wasn't intended to be.
Realms fans complained about the Realms being forced into a mold it wasn't designed to fit; I'm a little surprised to see the willingness to do this to another setting. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 14:17:08
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I'm actually thinking that there could be a way of making it do both - leave the lore 'loose' enough where if someone didn't want it to be "outer space", they could say the characters were "sailing the Astral Sea" - you just apply the same mechanics to a different set of fluff.
The downside of that is writing canon for that type of non-defined lore. If they do just keep all the SJ stuff separate from the world-setting material, it should be possible. In other words, if there is a mention that someone 'spelljammed' (or just arrived 'out of thin air' on some sort of flying ship) into a world, each DM can decide whether it came from space or the planes. That would be for the world-specific settings, and not the SJ, PS, and RL material, which would have a set of defined canon unto itself.
I'm almost thinking that Ravenloft is now completely part of the PS setting (a sub-setting, the way K-T was for FR).
@Quale - I didn't care for the 'Feywild' monicker at first either, but it has grown on me. It makes me think of the much 'wider world' outside of Faerie proper; thats a great place to dump stuff like the Beastlands and the Giant pantheons homelands, etc. To the original inhabitants of the Feywild, Faerie might almost seem like a cancer, growing at its heart. The same exact thing could be said for the Shadowfel and Ravenloft (and we could theoretically have more then one of these demi-planes in those planes).
Inside a near-infinite plane (theoretically the same size as the prime Material), Faerie itself could still be inconceivably immense... and we could still have tons of stuff outside of it. If anything, it adds to the Faerie lore, not detracts from it. Faerie would also have 'islands' just as RL does (which fits Fairy lore perfectly), and maybe those islands aren't truly part of RL and Faerie - maybe they are like 'buds' that can begin their own, new demi-planes (after all, the planes should be organic).
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 15:18:40
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This is fascinating news!
I'm particularly curious about just how the Great Wheel will be returned. [I'm assuming, of course, that we will get an explanation, unlike the way the Tree Cosmology was simply shifted into the Realms planar framework without much justification.]
Aside from the extra tidbits revealed in the article, I would definitely like to hear more about the Shadowfell becoming the foundation for new Domains of Ravenloft. That has a lot of potential!
And, interestingly, I'm wondering now how Dragonlance may factor into all of this. Since it has, traditionally, played it's own planar tune after 2e. I would like to know whether any of the 3e changes to the Krynnspace cosmology will be maintained.
Looking well forward to learning more about this!  |
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Renin
Learned Scribe
USA
290 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 21:03:50
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I've seen no updates for this today yet.  |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 21:12:19
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| Hoping we see an update today. Kind of strange it wasn't posted in the morning. Really interested to see how they are working out the details for how player's can affect the Realms. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 21:34:26
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Originally posted by Eilserus
Hoping we see an update today. Kind of strange it wasn't posted in the morning. Really interested to see how they are working out the details for how player's can affect the Realms.
Agreed! I have been anxiously awaiting it.
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 21:39:10
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I am very pleased with the news of the bloodwar and great wheel returning. I am OK with keeping the border areas, they at least make sense, and I am ok with the Elemental chaos as long as they decouple demons from it.
For me it is the return of the great wheel that is important. As to the old tree cosmology, I always played that as it was a meta organization amidst the planes. In other words, the Gates of the moon was its own distinct entity within Ysgard, that the gods of the NOrse pantheon would need permission to enter. It could still be accessed as a sight on Ysgard if a berk were to travel there from sigil.
Planar travel on the realms would default to the tree, UNLESS they travelled to the Astral plane first, or sigil. But once they went to say the GATE OF THE MOON, they would be able to travel Great Wheel or Tree.
I find the power of the Spellplague unlikely to upset the great wheel. The 4e cosmology to me is yet another of Rob Heinsoo and co's pet peeves they felt like schackling everybody with. So now that I have participated in the 4e realms, thanks to the SUNDERING, I have explained the new and shiny 4e cosmology as affecting the Great Tree only. The spellplague caused the tree to collapse and we get the 4e axis. The great wheel was never touched. If you asked a berk in Sigil what was going on they would not even notice. A berk from Faerun would complain to Sigil Berks that the planes have changed, but every one would just stare at him dumbfounded because they see nothing as wrong.
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Kris the Grey
Senior Scribe
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 02:38:21
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Fantastic news! Planescape and the 2E Wheel were my favorite cosmologies. Excellent development indeed.
I do hope they don't strand Spelljammer TOO far outside the Realms mainstream. As Wooly points out it was VERY well grounded in the 2E Realms framework. |
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ksu_bond
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
214 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 02:51:24
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Originally posted by Kuje
Wow, that might actually interest me in buying planar material again since all the settings will be connected again. Interested, yes!
The rumored 5e are what have brought me back and have given me something to be excited about once again. And to top it all off I find Kuje is still lurking about :) |
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Xar Zarath
Senior Scribe
Malaysia
552 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 05:20:48
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| The Elemental Chaos, if they decide to go with it should serve as a gateway or entrance to Limbo. Since the Elemental Chaos is the elements in a constant state of churning and violence, Limbo should be all of that and a bit of the energy that is the Lower Planes combined. |
Everything ends where it begins. Period.
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 08:27:18
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Originally posted by Markustay
@Quale - I didn't care for the 'Feywild' monicker at first either, but it has grown on me. It makes me think of the much 'wider world' outside of Faerie proper; thats a great place to dump stuff like the Beastlands and the Giant pantheons homelands, etc. To the original inhabitants of the Feywild,
But the Beastlands and giants are again back in the outer planes, I think they should get rid of inner/outer planes divisions, places like Olympus are too detached from the Prime, it should be closer, like in mythology. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 13:47:07
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Well, they couldn't get everything right. You and I still have our homebrew models to work from. 
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Originally posted by ksu_bond
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Originally posted by Kuje
Wow, that might actually interest me in buying planar material again since all the settings will be connected again. Interested, yes!
The rumored 5e are what have brought me back and have given me something to be excited about once again. And to top it all off I find Kuje is still lurking about :)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again....
"If you build it, they will come..."
As much as I love what Paizo is doing, my fondest hope is that They find-out they were just a 'rebound' relationship.  |
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Aldrick
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 16:32:18
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I'm really glad that Planescape will be returning and the Realms will be connected to it. The Realms being connected to other worlds is ESSENTIAL to the setting - it's baked into the cake right from the beginning, as it were. That's how it got it's name the "FORGOTTEN Realms" - so Planescape always went well with the setting, kinda like peanut butter and jelly.
I agree with some others. In my Realms I simply use the Spelljammer's as sailing across the Astral Sea, and they should have done the same thing in 5th Edition. They could have merged some of the Spelljammer stuff into Planescape with some changes to Spelljammer. I'm not really sure how useful Spelljammer becomes as an independent setting of its own - the real selling point was, like with Planescape, a way to connect the worlds.
I always liked the idea of one meta-cosmology for all the D&D worlds. This is the way it should have always been.
...although, with Spelljammer being disconnected with the rest of the worlds, it sounds like they're retconning things in the Realms when it comes to Spelljammer. I'm mostly okay with that, because I disliked the whole "D&D in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEEEEEEEEEEE!" thing, and it certainly is less problematic than what they did in 3E with the Great Tree. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 17:23:58
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Not so much a retcon, methinks, but rather, they are just choosing to ignore certain aspects (like how they ignored the existence of Ao in 3e). In fact, from a world-setting perspective, it will probably still be much like how it was handled in 3e - its there, but not there.
The SJ material will focus on all the 'spacey' stuff, and maybe give a few (brief) worlds to visit (specific locales on those worlds, really), and not really mention the 'known worlds'. I like that, because there really was no reason to detail those crystal spheres with setting-worlds in them - they already have a lot of detail.
At least, that's the meaning I am getting from that article/announcement. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 17:47:59
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Originally posted by Markustay
The SJ material will focus on all the 'spacey' stuff, and maybe give a few (brief) worlds to visit (specific locales on those worlds, really), and not really mention the 'known worlds'. I like that, because there really was no reason to detail those crystal spheres with setting-worlds in them - they already have a lot of detail.
I disagree. With part of the point of Spelljammer (and it was not the whole point) being to connect the major campaign settings of the time, it was expected that players would want to travel to Krynn, or Oerth, or Toril, from somewhere else. Unless you're going to say that each world and its primary were alone in their spheres, then you've got to detail the other bodies in the sphere. Even if you did say each world was alone, people are still going to be interested in the moon(s), and possibly even the sun.
And these other bodies were not described in the world-specific campaign material, so they needed some detail. They were barely even mentioned in non-Spelljammer material.
And you had to give at least a little info on the campaign world within each sphere, too, because people wouldn't necessarily have the setting-specific books. Back in the day, I only had 2 or 3 Greyhawk books, myself, and I don't even have that much now -- so putting some Oerth info in the Greyspace book would be useful for someone like myself. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 18:16:37
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I'd imagine they give some sort of brief synopsis in each of the world-setting books now (like how it was done in Eberron, or Golarion).
I have no problem with them NOT going into a whole lot of Solar system detail for each world, but that might just be me. If the new SJ material was generic-enough, we could probably dump any of the adventures right into the system of our choice.
At the same time, we still have the old SJ-FR stuff, and since they haven't said they would over-write that, even if they just ignore it (in 5e) that info still exists. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 18:43:01
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Originally posted by ksu_bond
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Originally posted by Kuje
Wow, that might actually interest me in buying planar material again since all the settings will be connected again. Interested, yes!
The rumored 5e are what have brought me back and have given me something to be excited about once again. And to top it all off I find Kuje is still lurking about :)
Grins. I do check in here every so often to see what's going on, but I usually don't have much to say. :)
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 21:21:09
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Hmmm, I guess I view things a little differently. I thought the idea with planescape that the phlogiston WASN'T connected to the outer planes was a very interesting thing. The fact that you couldn't contact your deity, that you couldn't use conjuration/summoning magics, that you couldn't just blip and transport somewhere else added a bit of danger to the phlogiston. I'd hate to see that gone. The astral sea is the connections that the gods have created in order to easily get their "worship food" from the crystal spheres, but the phlogiston is the soup outside their control. In fact, the gods may have created the astral sea as a means of cutting out the primordials who may be trapped in the phlogiston (not sure if I like this last bit, but its an idea).
Similarly, I liked the idea of a "coterminous" temporal prime plane that is tied to each crystal sphere, outer plane, inner plane, etc..... and that this is also generally outside the control of the gods.
As to the other stuff, I like the idea of the border and deep elemental planes, and in fact we'd already said that here at one point (that there may be a very large section of the plane of fire that's nothing but fire... and another section more like earth). There needs to be a very defining difference between the "border" regions and the "elemental chaos" regions.... as in the border is extremely stable, whereas the chaos can be ice one second and fire the next.
Essentially, I'm seeing several "rings" in this cosmology. There's the "inner planes", which would be the elemental chaos, border and deep elemental planes, possibly paraelemental planes. There's the "enhanced by positive energy" planes (feywild, faerie, Courts of the Fey, possibly positive quasi-elemental planes, etc...) in their ring. There's the "enhanced by negative energy" planes (shadowfell, plane of shadow, ravenloft, possibly negative quasi-elemental planes). There's the primes floating in the phlogiston. There's the primes and all other planes interconnected by mysterious temporal prime connections (it should be noted in this instance that time stands still on the astral, but it doesn't in the phlogiston... so the phlogiston probably acts as a "transitive plane" between temporal primes). Then there's the planes of thought and morality (aka the outer planes, homes of the gods).
The questions that then start coming down are things like "so do the Seldarine have an outer planar presence or are they connected to a plane that's between the prime and the positive energy plane" and similarly "do the gods of darkness have an outer planar presence or are they connected to a plane that's between the prime and the negative energy plane". Essentially, if the outer planes are where the souls, afterlife, and gods are supposed to be, then what exactly are the beings who inhabit these "inner" planes. Has the assumption that the outer planes are entirely shaped by the thoughts of the primes been overblown and actually some of these planes just ARE, possibly created by a powerful "entity" for a set purpose.... whereas other outer planes are shaped by the worship of mortals. |
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Joebing
Learned Scribe
USA
202 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 21:47:01
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| Okay, but where is the Sundering follow-up? I like this idea; actually converted the Spelljammer core and Realmspace books over to 3.5 for my HC. Can do it for DnDNext if need be. I missed those settings, and needed some way to travel between campaign worlds (when I was still using outside of Realms) besides the World Serpent Inn. |
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Renin
Learned Scribe
USA
290 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2013 : 00:51:29
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Originally posted by Kuje
Anyone, did that other article ever get posted? I wanted to see what they were doing with the rest.
I saw nothing that really noted why there should have been a link to the main page stating to 'tune in tomorrow for THIS.'
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2013 : 15:06:13
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After re-reading it (the very last paragragh), I realize what happened - it says to "Check out DungeonsandDragons.com tomorrow", and I think our brains got stuck there (wanting to know more). after that it says, "and find out how you can participate in the various events tied to the Sundering". It actually never says you'll learn more about anything covered in the 'article'.
And I put 'article' in those little quote-thingys because its not really an article - like so much else they produce now, its just a cleverly disguised advertisement.
It appears WotC has discovered the 'infomercial'.  |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 00:01:27
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 01:28:09
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Maybe because 5e will be a compromise between 4e and older editions, instead of a 'Great' Wheel, we will just get a Mediocre Wheel this time out.
Irregardless, I am really looking forward to this new edition. Even if I don't love everything they are doing (and when have any of us loved EVERYTHING?), I think they are definitely heading in the right direction now. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 02:47:17
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The innermost ring consists of the border elemental planes. These regions are like the regular world dominated by a specific element. The border plane of fire is a land of ash deserts, billowing volcanoes, and lakes of lava. All coincidences with Dark Sun are purely coincidental. 
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Originally posted by Markustay
Very Interesting - a few of their 'tweaks' sounds like stuff I've done in my own HB cosmology ('layers', with things changes as you go 'deeper' into a plane).
Planes with layers? Huh. What an original concept.
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To me, this one statement is all-important for cohesion-purposes:quote:
"Ideally, our approach allows Eberron, Forgotten Realms, the world of the Nentir Vale, Greyhawk, Mystara, and your own campaign setting to work with the basic assumptions we make about the planes."
Also... eminently innovative. Compared to ol' good Planescape. Or even Manual of the Planes.
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As for the brief mention of Spelljammer, [...] Not that I don't like Scify, I just prefer it not mix with my fantasy (not like this, at any rate). They are ignoring Greyhawk and Mystara, and pushing one of the silliest settings they ever did? Not a good sign. It just reminds me too much of a much of old Hanna-Barbara cartoons.
What "Scify" and how Spelljammer can possibly be sillier than e.g. Eberron? Though it's only until we'd bring up The Book of Wondrous Inventions, of course. 
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So now I can write a Forgotten Realms novel that's also a Ravenloft novel? Interesting.
How about... an angsty Gold Elf vampire-hunter-turned-vampire? |
People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood
It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo. -Ed Whitchurch |
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Return of the Great Wheel
