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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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 Posted - 05 Jun 2013 : 20:22:25
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Originally posted by Dennis
Actually, he was mentioned in the introduction, page 6, the part where Szass Tam asked him to tell the tale of fallen Netheril . . . He was also briefly mentioned in the “Time Conduit” section on page 13.
Ohh yeah, I forgot that... But he is not stated like Ioulaum or Karsus and no story about him persists in that box... Right? |
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Xar Zarath
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 Jun 2013 : 10:04:42
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| Huh I have been meaning to ask Mr Schend on the items that the Frostrune was wearing. The Cowardly Harness and the various rings he wore are items of some speculation on my part. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jun 2013 : 12:37:02
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Originally posted by Xar Zarath
Huh I have been meaning to ask Mr Schend on the items that the Frostrune was wearing. The Cowardly Harness and the various rings he wore are items of some speculation on my part.
I believe Steven discussed various items of Frostrune in his thread and/or in the book club for Blackstaff. He was nearly invincible in that book because of the magical items that not even Khelben knew where he got from, let alone counter. So yes, many scribes were very curious on the said subject, so questions about it had been raised years back. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jun 2013 : 12:50:45
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
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Originally posted by Dennis
Actually, he was mentioned in the introduction, page 6, the part where Szass Tam asked him to tell the tale of fallen Netheril . . . He was also briefly mentioned in the “Time Conduit” section on page 13.
Ohh yeah, I forgot that... But he is not stated like Ioulaum or Karsus and no story about him persists in that box... Right?
Karsus and Ioulaum are the “stars” of that box, so they got most of the juicy details, which is understandable, given how they literally shaped Netheril’s fate. Larloch, on the other hand, enjoys his “fame” after the Fall, so . . .
WotC has been rather unyielding in keeping Larloch The Great Unknown, so there is hardly any canon information about him ever released. Most of the canon tidbits come from Ed, either as responses to queries made in his thread, or fairly recently, in his fiction. Larloch was mentioned in the latest Elminster series. Prior to that, he was also featured in “Tears So White” (a rather disappointing short story, if you ask me).
He is also alluded to in some non-Ed novels, like the Haunted Lands series by Richard (where it was explained how Szass Tam got Thakorsil’s Seat and the Death Moon Orb). |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jun 2013 : 13:35:37
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Half of this is part of a pending query to Richard that I posted in his thread . . .
Lod mentioned that ever since he acquired his freedom, he had been gathering magical lore and artifacts from all across the world, which ultimately enabled him to scribe the Codex of Aurant. Larloch has been known as a great hoarder of magical knowledge and items, especially those of necromancy. Would you say it’s possible Lod and/or his former (yet unknown) master had been somehow tied to Larloch directly or indirectly?
The Eminence had been tied to Thay/Szass Tam in Prophet of the Dead, and we all know that Szass Tam had been (or maybe still is) tied to Larloch (by virtue of their “bargain”). And, if I may add, Richard has been rather fond (to many’s delight) of liches.
So maybe there’s a shred of connection here . . . |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2013 : 13:46:34
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What we know is that Abeir was theoretically 'unreachable'. However, we have gotten a few hints that some cross-play has occurred (if only in the periodic terrain-swapping that happens during periods of 'magical upheaval'). That means it is possible, just extremely hard to do (akin to leaving Ravenloft, or entering Athas's sphere, etc).
What we also know is that Larloch has been 'collecting' magical portals - placing them under his direct control. Those portals are all part of something called The Road of Stars and Shadows*, which probably began way back when the world was Sundered.
What Larloch may be looking for are portals of that original network that still lead to Abeir. If he was able to locate even just one, that means he would have had access to Abeir from Toril - something even 'the gods' did not have. Thus, Larloch could in-fact be LoD's 'secret sponsor'. After all, being in-control of an army of powerful undead is something Larloch is already known for.
*And after just typing that, and having just responded to Gray's thread, I realized the name of that network jibes with the two 'heavenly' bodies I theorize were destroyed during the Godwar - the First Sun, and the Dark Moon. Weirdly coincidental... |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jun 2013 : 14:04:41
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Originally posted by Markustay
What Larloch may be looking for are portals of that original network that still lead to Abeir. If he was able to locate even just one, that means he would have had access to Abeir from Toril - something even 'the gods' did not have. Thus, Larloch could in-fact be LoD's 'secret sponsor'. After all, being in-control of an army of powerful undead is something Larloch is already known for.
Good point.
When I first learned of the existence of the Eminence of Aurant, I immediately thought of that connection/similarity in their goal, and not (compared to many others) the presumed redundancy of the Eminence because of Thay/Szass Tam—who, though he commands a considerable large armies of undead capable (perhaps) of matching Larloch’s, has a (literally) “higher” goal in mind. |
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Xar Zarath
Senior Scribe
Malaysia
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Posted - 07 Jun 2013 : 05:32:35
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| The difference though is the Eminence wants equality for all undead while Thay is more of a ruling nation of necromancers controlling the undead. As stated in Prophet book, Lod will not continue the undead hegemony as long as Thay stands as the opposite of his dream. |
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Xar Zarath
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jun 2013 : 06:00:41
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| Can anyone post links to Mr Schend's write ups of the Frostrune's magical items? I have been looking but cant find it. Thanks! |
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silverwolfer
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Posted - 07 Jun 2013 : 07:21:17
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_Jarlaxle_
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jun 2013 : 09:26:17
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| IIRC there are no sharn anymore. They got transformed back to their original forms when Khelben brought back Miyeritaar. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 07 Jun 2013 : 10:46:06
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| I gotta ask... WHo is Lod? And who is tha Eminence of Aurant? |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 07 Jun 2013 : 11:29:56
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Lod is (or was?) the leader and creator of the Eminence of Aurant which is an organisation that wants to free all undead from their slavory and give them consciousness.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 07 Jun 2013 : 14:04:10
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
IIRC there are no sharn anymore. They got transformed back to their original forms when Khelben brought back Miyeritaar.
Not all.
There seems to be at least two types of Phaerimm, and two types of Sharn. Not physically, mind you... its more of an 'origins' thing. However, the two types of Sharn fall into a 'who they were' category (which means there could be far more then two types/origins), as opposed to the Phaerimm, who seem to differ in geographic origins (so much like any other race, you have regional differences, which are mostly cosmetic and personality).
I still think of the Phaerimm as a 'disease' (a magical cancer that attacks the Weave itself), and the Sharn as 'antibodies'. Just like any disease, each of us creates our own (personal) antibodies to combat it, so in this comparison highly-magical cultures 'generate' Sharn to combat the Phaerimm such cultures attract to them.
So yeah, one particular group of Sharn were all transformed back... but not all of them (AFAIK).
As for Lod and the Eminence of Araunt - definitely one of the better pieces of 4eFR lore (IMO). I've spun it more like the Forsaken of WoW, however. I don't really see the Sharn being their enemies - Sharn just want to protect magic, and Undead can't exist without magic, so they are not really at cross-purposes (although individuals can be). |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Jun 2013 : 19:45:56
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
IIRC there are no sharn anymore. They got transformed back to their original forms when Khelben brought back Miyeritaar.
Many of the sharn chose to revert to their original forms, but not all. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Jun 2013 : 19:57:30
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Originally posted by Xar Zarath
The difference though is the Eminence wants equality for all undead while Thay is more of a ruling nation of necromancers controlling the undead. As stated in Prophet book, Lod will not continue the undead hegemony as long as Thay stands as the opposite of his dream.
Not opposite, but an alternative (see the excerpt below, highlight mine). Some undead, though they ultimately answer to Szass Tam, still enjoy a certain form of freedom, which is not that different from the undead of the Eminence (who, in one way or another, still have to answer to Lod).
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The following is lifted from page 46 of Prophet of the Dead:
Jhesri cocked her head. “It’s poor and backward, certainly, and those qualities ought to make it an easy conquest. But the Thayans have never found it so.”
Sarshethrian smiled. “What I was getting at is that it’s the country where the mortal and fey worlds mingle more than any other. I don’t know why, and at this point, neither does Lod. But he no doubt believes that given time and free rein, he can wring unique and potent magic from the land, and I imagine he’s right.
“It’s also a country that shares a border with those Thayans you mentioned, folk governed by necromancers and undead grandees who have good reason to be content with the world as it is. Lod will never free any zombie and wraith from bondage or persuade every vampire and lich to join him as long Thay stands as an alternative to his vision. Control of a neighboring land will help him pursue the task of bringing it down.”
Remembering what it was like to fight the legions of Thay with their well-trained troops, formidable mages, and tamed demons, Jhesri smiled a crooked smile. “I wish him luck with that.”
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Xar Zarath
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Posted - 08 Jun 2013 : 06:00:46
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| Since Lod is now MIA, it may be that the Eminence is fractured and will remain so for quite some time. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 08 Jun 2013 : 14:23:27
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Originally posted by Markustay
What we know is that Abeir was theoretically 'unreachable'. However, we have gotten a few hints that some cross-play has occurred (if only in the periodic terrain-swapping that happens during periods of 'magical upheaval'). That means it is possible, just extremely hard to do (akin to leaving Ravenloft, or entering Athas's sphere, etc).
What we also know is that Larloch has been 'collecting' magical portals - placing them under his direct control. Those portals are all part of something called The Road of Stars and Shadows*, which probably began way back when the world was Sundered.
What Larloch may be looking for are portals of that original network that still lead to Abeir. If he was able to locate even just one, that means he would have had access to Abeir from Toril - something even 'the gods' did not have. Thus, Larloch could in-fact be LoD's 'secret sponsor'. After all, being in-control of an army of powerful undead is something Larloch is already known for.
*And after just typing that, and having just responded to Gray's thread, I realized the name of that network jibes with the two 'heavenly' bodies I theorize were destroyed during the Godwar - the First Sun, and the Dark Moon. Weirdly coincidental...
Hmmmm, I may need to go hunt down the theory you were posting about a "Dark Moon". It would be interesting if "the ice moon Zotha" had been Shar, possibly hit by a comet.... such as maybe the comet K'Houtek which is made of mostly iron and ice... and ironically, this comet is associated with the birth of a powerful entity (and from the description, a powerful magic wielder)..... such that maybe K'Houtek represents Mystryl, an astrological body.. or essence of Selune, ripping across the heavens, smashing into the cold, dark, ice moon Zotha/Shar and sending it plummeting towards Toril.
Another thing comes to mind here, what if the reason the tears weren't visible until 4800 years ago is that they were a different material.... they were ice. Then, maybe "something" changed them into rock 4800 years ago, affecting their density, rotations, etc... and affecting weather temporarily. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 08 Jun 2013 : 16:51:49
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Yeah, I am very unfamiliar with the Zotha lore (having only seen a refernece to it in one other thread besides this one), and considering I've been pretty sure there was another moon circling Toril (for at least seven years now), I should really look into a connection.
The only problem is, I think 'ice moon' should be associated with Auril. However, we also know the 4e team turned Auril into the QoA&D, and since most 'Fey Powers' are considered 'primal' powers (Archfey), we may have some sort of logical connection there as well (although I don't have the time ATM to contemplate that further... perhaps Shar and Auril have a relationship akin to Selune and Mystra...)
Anyhow, from the very beginning of my love affair with FR (hard to pin-down a date - I wasn't 'a fan' for at least the first few years), I have always thought that Shar's symbol looked like a 'Dark Moon', and this is even obliquely referenced in the RotAW series - Shar's symbol and Cyric's (the 'Dark Sun') are very close, and one can be 'hidden' within the other.
Now, if we go back to very beginning of FR lore, we know that The Weave = 'Life'. That can be interpreted in many ways (and has), but if we just look at it in its most basic form, (sun)light/heat = life, or in D&D terminology, Radiance. What the opposite of Radiance? Darkness... a 'Dark Moon', or even 'Dark Sun'... some sort of heavenly body that radiates cold and darkness.
Thus, we have the juxtaposition we have always had in Realmspace, since the beginning of time - one power/body radiating life-giving heat & light, the other radiating life-sucking cold & darkness. The Weave and Shadoweave are two sides of the same coin - the 'Yin & Yang' of the universe.
The problem we have is that the first sun and the first moon were both splattered all over Toril.  |
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strafer
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 06:06:05
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 08:34:48
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I've not read the latest Thay books to see exactly how Thay has turned out following Szass Tam's ritual.
If I was in control of 5E I would make Szass a demi-lich in a hurry, stating that the Ritual of Unmaking accelerated his lichdom to the point that he could not maintain a corporeal form. This might be a reason for Larloch not doing anything about the Ritual, or more likely, he probably couldn't care less about it. Larloch has his own mapped out path to power, and it doesn't involve making everything undead.
I hope that 5E reinvigorates Thay and actually makes it a place where people can adventure again. As I said, I'd make Szass a demi-lich, thereby losing control over the region, and leaving his most powerful undead underlings to fight over power there, and then I'd unleash a new Crusade (ala the one that cleansed Impiltur of the fiends) to "bring back the light" to at least part of it.
Thay as a big region of undead is too simplistic and mundane a concept for the nuanced Realms IMO. It might make good prose, but not brilliant gaming. Here's your chance to set things right 5E.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 13:46:08
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Originally posted by strafer
If Larloch is so powerful why didn't he attempt or find out about the ritual of unmaking?
Because he was uninterested in that particular avenue of lore.
The one thing that all liches have in common is that they are focused - there is that one particular driving 'thing' that made them want to continue their research beyond death.
For Larloch, it has something to do with those portals. For Szass Tam, it could simply be 'power' (which is cliche', but so is Szass Tam).
Larloch has no desire to become a godling... in fact, I have a sneaking suspicion he has already given up such a claim (because if he was a Chosen, as many suspect, then he would have been an Exarch). The Sojourner wasn't a god... and yet, he scoffed at gods. There are levels of power that make the title 'deity' almost laughable. So while Szass Tam is trying to be like Vecna, Larloch is becoming more like Vhostym (just a very superficial comparison - I am not saying there any sort of connection between any of them).
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I've not read the latest Thay books to see exactly how Thay has turned out following Szass Tam's ritual.
If I was in control of 5E I would make Szass a demi-lich in a hurry, stating that the Ritual of Unmaking accelerated his lichdom to the point that he could not maintain a corporeal form. This might be a reason for Larloch not doing anything about the Ritual, or more likely, he probably couldn't care less about it. Larloch has his own mapped out path to power, and it doesn't involve making everything undead.
Neither have I.
The way I would spin it, Thaymount should be the 5e-ish new 'unholy land of undead' that everyone avoids. The rest of 'old Thay' should be more like its 1e/2e/3e incarnation. That way, we get the best of all worlds. Let Tam rule The Mount, and let all other Red Wizards look toward it with trepidation...
I sometimes get the idea the 4e team had no understanding of geography, distance, or size (for instance, Nentir Vale - the 4e campaign 'world' - could fit in just about any tiny valley in Faerûn). What they did to Thay was overkill - Thaymount itself was massive enough to have suited their needs. Its larger then Great Britain! Why turn so much terrain into a one-trick pony, when you could have so many different flavors (as we had before, with the Zulkirs and Tharchions)?
So let the top plateau be Leng (or whatever), and lets get the rest back to how it ought to be. Faerûn has room-enough for every flavor. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 14:27:43
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| It's likely that Larloch's concerns are different from Tam's so he may not be interested in such a ritual...and/or he knew Tam would fail. Who knows, perhaps he helped him fail (behind the scenes of course). Having said that (SPOILER ALERT?): In Bury El Deep (I think) El referred to the 'Larloch problem' as something that needs to be addressed...what that problem is I can't begin to say. |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 14:54:52
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I think Larloch just doesn't know about the ritual. So when Tam approached him before conquering Thay and building the dread rings he just assumed that Tams plots don't affect or interest him.
Because if any of the higher power horses would have known about it they would have done anything to stop him. Even if they thought it probably won't work I can't imagine that they just sit by and do nothing when there is a chance that they all get undone. An Tam knew this so he did everything he could to hide his intentions. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 15:16:02
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
I think Larloch just doesn't know about the ritual. So when Tam approached him before conquering Thay and building the dread rings he just assumed that Tams plots don't affect or interest him.
Because if any of the higher power horses would have known about it they would have done anything to stop him. Even if they thought it probably won't work I can't imagine that they just sit by and do nothing when there is a chance that they all get undone. An Tam knew this so he did everything he could to hide his intentions.
If someone knew there was no chance of something working, why would they waste energy trying to stop it?
I'm not saying Larloch did or didn't know this -- I'm simply disagreeing with the idea of opposing something doomed to failure without any opposition...
And actually, knowing Larloch... Perhaps he did know about the ritual, and did know it would fail -- and this failure factored into his own plans. Perhaps it was his manipulation that led to Tam's "discovery" of the ritual. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 15:17:45
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Since I haven't read the series (its now on my to-do list, since meeting Mr. Byers at Gencon and seeing for myself he did not have horns, and was quite the perfect gentleman), can you fill me in on what, precisely, the ritual was supposed to do?
Why would Szass Tam want to 'un-do' the world? Thats sounds a bit too much like the Thomas Covenant series 'Ritual of Desecration' (which I also never understood - Kevin Landwaster was depressed so he figured he'd just destroy/kill EVERYTHING?) Since when has Szass Tam become a follower of Entropy (which is an aspect of Shar in FR)?
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 15:30:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
If someone knew there was no chance of something working, why would they waste energy trying to stop it?
Because they can't know for sure. If if they where 99,99% that this wont work I doubt they would risk the 0,01% that it might.
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It is supposed to undo the whole existence and let Tam (or whoever completes it) recreate it like he wants it to be. |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 15:34:38
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Originally posted by Markustay
The only problem is, I think 'ice moon' should be associated with Auril. However, we also know the 4e team turned Auril into the QoA&D, and since most 'Fey Powers' are considered 'primal' powers (Archfey), we may have some sort of logical connection there as well (although I don't have the time ATM to contemplate that further... perhaps Shar and Auril have a relationship akin to Selune and Mystra...)
Anyhow, from the very beginning of my love affair with FR (hard to pin-down a date - I wasn't 'a fan' for at least the first few years), I have always thought that Shar's symbol looked like a 'Dark Moon', and this is even obliquely referenced in the RotAW series - Shar's symbol and Cyric's (the 'Dark Sun') are very close, and one can be 'hidden' within the other.
Now, if we go back to very beginning of FR lore, we know that The Weave = 'Life'. That can be interpreted in many ways (and has), but if we just look at it in its most basic form, (sun)light/heat = life, or in D&D terminology, Radiance. What the opposite of Radiance? Darkness... a 'Dark Moon', or even 'Dark Sun'... some sort of heavenly body that radiates cold and darkness.
Thus, we have the juxtaposition we have always had in Realmspace, since the beginning of time - one power/body radiating life-giving heat & light, the other radiating life-sucking cold & darkness. The Weave and Shadoweave are two sides of the same coin - the 'Yin & Yang' of the universe.
The problem we have is that the first sun and the first moon were both splattered all over Toril.
You hit where I was thinking on the connection of some sort between Shar and Auril. I kind of wonder if Zotha wasn't destroyed by that which was hurled from a powerful being of light and the heavens, and the fallout was a goddess named Selune, a goddess named Mystra, a goddess named Shar, and a goddess named Auril. This ice moon may have been dark and unseen by the surface folk, whereas the other moon was reflective of the light of the sun (until it was destroyed).
Some of this doesn't match up with the lore of Netheril, but then again.... I think ALL pantheons used to have these deities that had a ton of portfolios before the faerunian pantheon expanded. Maybe there was another pantheon that had Auril, Bhaelros, Anachtyr, Lathander, etc.... (not necessarily all of these in the same one, and possibly several others), and each deity claimed several portfolios. When the pantheons merged, probably the deities offered up portfolios to each other rather than die. This was due to Ao's tablets of fate and his ruling that no two deities in the same pantheon could share the same portfolio. However, after a while it became "defend your remaining portfolios or lose your godhood". |
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Markustay
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 15:50:42
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Take the Netheril box set lore with a grain of salt - it written in 'uncertain 3rd person' (the whole things is Larloch telling Szass Tam a story... a story he may have purposely changed some details of, or just left certain parts out completely). That gives us a LOT of leeway.
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@Markus
It is supposed to undo the whole existence and let Tam (or whoever completes it) recreate it like he wants it to be.
Sounds boring as hell. Speaking of which...
There was an old episode of Twilight Zone, in which a guy dies and goes to the afterlife. There, he gets watever he wants - all the beautiful women, he wins at gambling every time, etc, etc...
He soon gets very, VERY bored with everything 'going his way'. He calls upon his 'handler' (whom he assumed was an angel), and says, "I think you guys made a mistake... I shouldn't be here... I want to go to the other place". The being's expression/veneer changes dramatically, and he says, "what makes you think you went to Heaven? This IS the other place!"
The point is, having everything you want is BORING - without a chance of failure, life becomes meaningless. I thought Szass Tam was smarter then that. |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Jun 2013 : 16:14:35
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| Although the series was well-written, I didn't care for the Ritual of Unmaking myself. It would have allowed Tam to remake the entire world (I assume the entire crystal sphere) however he wanted...with him as the only presiding deity (all others would have been 'locked out' of the sphere). It seemed too 'big' even for the Realms and was a rather unbelievable plot line IMO. That said, it did allow us a glimpse into Tam's character which I found interesting. He seemed to intend to largely keep the Realms 'as is' with certain meddlesome individuals removed from the picture, otherwise, the folk of the Realms would not have noticed much difference to their daily lives (save having to pray to Tam exclusively). He didnt want to 'destroy' the world, just remake it into what he deemed better. Of course, his ultimate goal was greater godhood (and possibly higher mayhaps). |
I have a dream that one day, all game worlds will exist as one. |
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Would Larloch ever take on an apprentice?
