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silverwolfer
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Posted - 15 May 2013 :  05:36:37  Show Profile Send silverwolfer a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
how many interloper gods do we have, it seems popular when a writer wants to pull a god out of thin air.

Markustay
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Posted - 15 May 2013 :  15:00:33  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It depends.

We can make a list of definite interlopers, but how do we really know who or where those others came from?

For instance, it has been intimated that Sune is really Aphrodite (Venus = Sune backwards... sort of), but we do not know that for sure. She has also been connected to the Elven goddess Hanali Celanil in late 3e-4e lore.

For all we know, there may just be one group of gods that have aspects in various prime worlds, which may take a name known elsewhere, or an entirely new alias, and that these other aspects don't necessarily follow the same pattern as they do in other spheres (Tyr/Tyr). In other words, there simply is no way of knowing the complete list, just the ones that have already been positively revealed as interlopers (and there is some room for play there, as well - a local power could just be masquerading as one from the interloping pantheon to fill in some gaps).

The Mulan deities (all three pantheons) were definite interlopers (as definite as we can tell), but even there the mythos and cosmology has been D&D-erized to fit the setting (Thus Hoar - who is supposed to be our version of Horus - also becomes an aspect of Bahamut - an invention of the game).

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Edited by - Markustay on 15 May 2013 15:01:36
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Mirtek
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Posted - 15 May 2013 :  20:28:46  Show Profile Send Mirtek a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Markustay
(and there is some room for play there, as well - a local power could just be masquerading as one from the interloping pantheon to fill in some gaps).
Actually the Planescape supplement "On Hallowed Ground" was quite clear that these interloppers are the foreign deities and also told why they choose to interlope
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silverwolfer
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Posted - 17 May 2013 :  04:22:17  Show Profile Send silverwolfer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I looked into that book, it seems only two gods are listed in it as interlopers, tyr and umm forgot the other one.

but was kind of funny that faerun is considered a backwater sphere.
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Markustay
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Posted - 17 May 2013 :  15:21:32  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Mirtek

quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
(and there is some room for play there, as well - a local power could just be masquerading as one from the interloping pantheon to fill in some gaps).
Actually the Planescape supplement "On Hallowed Ground" was quite clear that these interlopers are the foreign deities and also told why they choose to interlope.
Until "new information comes to light", which is designer-speak for "we changed our minds".

Which means canon is only canon the moment it is printed (or in Ed's case, spoken). A nano-second later it becomes irrelevant, because it can be changed on a whim by the guys in charge. I need look no further then 4e for dozens of examples of this. 4e nuked everything that was Planescape (although to be fair, 3e had already shot it full of holes).

The idea that 'facts' within a setting can change is pretty much why I stopped reading comics years ago. I don't care what the in-setting excuse is, its all RW-BS to me.

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Edited by - Markustay on 17 May 2013 15:31:28
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jerrod
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The entire Orc,seldarine,asmodeus

I haven't been here in years but I used to be DARKFLAME MILLITHOR(DROW ARCHMAGE of wildmagic
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