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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 19 Mar 2013 : 20:17:54
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Besides the usual high end arcanist, what sort of unique classes or abilties 3.5* you could give to them with class levels?
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Mar 2013 : 20:35:13
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| I think some Duskblade levels would be pretty cool, allowing them to channel their spells through a blade or weapon. A Duskblade (Bladesinger) Baelnorn would be a dangerous foe indeed! |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Mar 2013 : 23:21:42
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Canonically, only high level wizards become baelnorn. The only deviations from that were a small (8-12, don't remember) number of green elven fighters who were transformed to guard the Vale of Lost Voices.
The wizards, though, should be as tricked out as possible. These are some of the best, and most powerful, wizards the elves had. So powerful PrC's like Incantatrix or Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil, plus a few Archmage levels should be the rule. |
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The Madmage
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Mar 2013 : 23:46:58
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| Archmage, high elf arcanist, loremaster (keeper of elven lore), and bladesinger come to mind. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 00:31:43
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| Bladesinger, no. Ugh. If you really want a baelnorn gish, do a proper job of building one and call it a bladesinger. 3e stripped all of the flavor from the bladesinger anyway, so you might as well do it properly. |
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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 03:28:41
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Bladesinger, no. Ugh. If you really want a baelnorn gish, do a proper job of building one and call it a bladesinger. 3e stripped all of the flavor from the bladesinger anyway, so you might as well do it properly.
There really is no "proper" way to create one. Personally, I find the PrC Bladesinger (both from Races of Faerūn and Complete Warrior) horrid in game design and think that the Eldritch Knight does a far better job (mechanically speaking) to fullfill the concept. However, Erik had posted this a while back that converted the v3.5 Duskblade (Player's Handbook II) into a Bladesinger by swapping out some armor proficiencies and changing around some of the spells. You can view it Here ===> http://www.candlekeep.com/downloads/greater-treasure.zip.
Personally, I think this is by far the best rendition (of 3E anyways) that does the concept justice without being overly complicated.
Also note that when I think of Bladesingers, it's far more a concept than a specific class design. I think Bladesingers is more of a status element and how one goes about plying their trade and for what reasons. How one roleplays a Bladesinger is more important to me than a build or a series of classes strung together. |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 10:14:21
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 12:19:28
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Originally posted by Diffan
How one roleplays a Bladesinger is more important to me than a build or a series of classes strung together.
Diffan: Which is my entire problem with 3e in a sentence, since it puts all of its attention on the latter, and none on the former. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 12:20:11
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Clerics make good baelnorn, and Sehanine has quite a few of them as the higher echolon of her priesthood.
Source? I've never yet seen a priestly baelnorn. In dwarves, yes, but not elves. |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 12:23:50
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| If baelnorn is based on the Norse myth norns, they'd have oracular abilities. |
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Edited by - Kno on 20 Mar 2013 12:24:32 |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 12:59:24
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I'd recommend checking out Libris Mortis for feats good for undead that are able to create undead. For instance, if he's willing to desecrate ogre and giant remains and animate them, having destruction retribution might be useful (i.e. they explode, hurt the party, and heal surrounding undead). There's also necromantic presence and necromantic might.
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 13:28:20
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
How one roleplays a Bladesinger is more important to me than a build or a series of classes strung together.
Diffan: Which is my entire problem with 3e in a sentence, since it puts all of its attention on the latter, and none on the former.
See, I don't think the former has anything to do with the mechanics and all to do with how people play the game. The mechanics are just a simple way to interact with the game world. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 13:58:43
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
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Originally posted by Bladewind
Clerics make good baelnorn, and Sehanine has quite a few of them as the higher echolon of her priesthood.
Source? I've never yet seen a priestly baelnorn. In dwarves, yes, but not elves.
Page 126 of Demihuman Deities says she is served by baelnorn, among other things. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 19:11:33
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| It says she's served by them, and oversees the creation process, not that any of her priests can or do become baelnorn. I don't see that as evidence of priestly baelnorn, especially since it says she finds the process distasteful. I doubt she'd want to inflict it on her own priests. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2013 : 20:07:08
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| If you want priestly baelnorn in your game, by all means add them. I would be curious to see what Ed and/or THO have to say on the matter as I'm not sure this has ever been brought up. |
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What classes with a baelnorn have?
