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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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 Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 14:41:25
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hehehehe  Excellent, SiriusBlack! The best idea yet!
Although I guess Alaundo wont let the authors stay here taking advantage of all the luxurious surroundings of the library.... no doubt theyll be down in the interrogation room before long  
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Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 14:46:09
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Are you a past or present Realms author? X Yes __ No
If you selected yes to the above question please write a 500 word description below about a yet to be released FR novel you have authored or one you wish to write one day for WOTC. This portion of the registration is required to validate author authenticity and will be used for registration purposes only.
Hail and well met.
As Sirius Black sagely observed, a migration of FR writers may also inspire a flurry of imposters. It seemed prudent to reserve my name.
That said, I won't be able to participate in the forum to any extent for at least a month or so. Deadlines loom at me from both sides -- past (::gulp::) and very, very near future.
To respond, briefly, to issues raised in some of the threads I skimmed:
Ed Greenwood's website: coming in April. After the first draft of the Waterdeep novel is finished, I'll be doing a short, intensive blitz involving various web site projects. Mine (www.elainecunningham.com) will be overhauled, Ed's will be completed and published. I've been collecting material for his site for quite some time. It will be a very basic site, mostly because simply listing and linking the staggering amount of material Ed has published will provide a considerable amount of web content. And, considering his merrily frenetic schedule, monthly updates of a "What's New" variety will no doubt provide enough information to keep people checking in on a regular basis. I'll post a note here when the site is online.
Worst FR novels: In response to the gentlemen who listed Dream Spheres among their least favorites, I will agree that it is probably the weakest of my stories. The book suffered from an overabundance of subplots, as well as too many unhappy and complicated relationships. It was also stated that this is the last book in the Songs & Swords series. That's true, at least at this point in time, but I would very much like to continue the adventures of Arilyn, Danilo, and Elaith Craulnober. There's nothing in the pipeline at present, but I remain hopeful!
Signatures: Mine is extremely legible, the legacy of a strict background in which "penmanship" was a required class. But one thing I seldom do is add some nifty little quote or comment. Nothing worthwhile comes to mind until after the person has left, and it probably would be less than dignified to leap up from the signing table, chase people out of the bookstore, and bring them down with a flying tackle outside of the Orange Julius booth.
Autographed copies: Anyone who has access to PayPal and desires an autographed copy can email me (AFTER March, please!) for information.
Hootinanny: I'm game, as long as line dancing isn't involved.
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 14:58:00
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Well met, ElaineCunningham and welcome to Candlekeep.
'tis indeed a great pleasure to have someone such as yourself and the other recent authors enter the walls of the library.
I hope you find your stay here an enjoyable one and I, amongst many other scribes here, look forward to your writings herein.
If I can be of any assistance or you have any queries or problems, please contact me. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 16:31:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'm assuming that it was a Zahn novel. Which one was it...?
The new Star Wars novel, but not a New Jedi Order installment; it's the sequel to the Hand of Thrawn duology.
Yes! Lady Cunningham is here! This calls for a celebration -- orange juice is on me! 
Even though this is mainly to register your name (something I heartily approve of), I'd like to welcome you here. You're actually my favorite Realms author, even over Mr. Salvatore -- just as Danilo's my favorite Realms character. 
Personally, I wouldn't say that Dream Spheres was your worst; I'd give that to Thornhold. I've always assumed that you submitted that, and was asked to use it to end the Harpers series -- is that right? It's the only explanation I can think of for it to start out so well, yet end so weakly. (No offence, of course.)
As well, I think I'd put Dream Spheres over Silver Shadows. Arilyn's great, but she looses so much without Danilo by her side. 
And, of course, Evermeet: Island of Elves is superb. It's known around here as The Elven Bible. |
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Crust
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 16:59:13
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Hi, EC!
I'm dying to get my hands on the Waterdeep book you and Mr. Greenwood are working on. Of all the FR authors, I couldn't imagine a stronger union of writers to show us the City of Splendors. Granted, you've shown it to us before, and I consider you the expert on Waterdeep (and elves, of course). I'm really excited to see how it turns out! |
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Narnra glowered at her father. "Just how am I to learn how to think? By being taught by you?"
"Some folk in the Realms would give their lives for the chance to learn at my feet," Elminster said mildly. "Several already have."
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 17:30:39
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Personally, I wouldn't say that Dream Spheres was your worst; I'd give that to Thornhold. I've always assumed that you submitted that, and was asked to use it to end the Harpers series -- is that right? It's the only explanation I can think of for it to start out so well, yet end so weakly. (No offence, of course.)
None taken. Here's the story, adapted from the FAQ page of my website:
In writing Thornhold, my mandate was to create continuing shared-author characters -- Bronwyn and Ebenezer Stoneshaft -- and introduce a conflict/conspiracy that would be continued in other novels and game products. The intention was that this was to be a PIVOT novel that would introduce changes to the Harper organization, not a conclusion to the series. Unfortunately, the editorial direction changed while the book was being written. More unfortunately still, no one thought to inform me. Thus, Thornhold was left with a head-scratching conclusion and a lot of loose threads. The ending would have been fine, if the book included a preview for the next story following it. As things stand, however, the story's ending is definitely perplexing. Am I happy about this? Well, no. But on the positive side, I had a great time with the Ebenezer and the dwarves, and the experience really impressed upon me the need to write self-contained stories, even within a series.
I would love to write a follow-up to the story entitled DARKHOLD, which would delve into Zhentarim politics, the full story of the Holy Order of the Knights of Samular, and Khelben Arunsun's dark secrets. Damn -- that litany just set off the little Julie Andrews who lives in the back of my and occasionally bursts out singing "These are a few of my favorite things..." Pivotal to this sort, of course, would be the dwarves' struggle to hold Thornhold, and the young paladin's quest to redeem his reputation and, in the process, redefine his faith.
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As well, I think I'd put Dream Spheres over Silver Shadows. Arilyn's great, but she looses so much without Danilo by her side.
Hmm. Interesting observation. I find that quite a few readers seem to like one character significantly more than the other, but I'm partial to their interaction. That's why I'd love to write an adventure that focuses on the best aspects of Elfshadow: Danilo's foppish nobleman persona (reprised for the benefit of the new royal court of Tethyr), Arilyn's belief that kicking ass is the best means to self-actualization, Elaith's various schemes. And, of course, the interactions among these three. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 17:37:00
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Bookwyrm, Bookwyrm, Bookwyrm..... no, no, no! 
Silver Shadows is a much better novel than Dream Spheres! Ooof!  I wont go into a review here as its the wrong thread. But ill just say that I LOVED Silver Shadows, luckily I landed that novel to research on as part of the Forgotten Realms Encyclopedia project for TSR....so had to read it all over again..what a shame
Evermeet is fantastic and I thank Arion Elenim and Bookwyrm for guiding me to, what is indeed, the Elven Bible!
As for Starlight and Shadows.......wow!
I love the idea for a Darkhold novel..... that place is one of my favorite fortresses of the Realms and im a huge Zhentarim fan anyway. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 17:39:57
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I'm dying to get my hands on the Waterdeep book you and Mr. Greenwood are working on. I'm really excited to see how it turns out!
Me, too. 
First draft is due next month, and suffice it to say, things are hectic.
I received a chunk of manuscript from Ed the other day and laughed out loud through most of it. It'll be interesting to see how readers respond. Fantasy is trending toward dark, gritty stories filled with brooding antiheroes, but the tone of this story is swashbuckling fun.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 18:09:20
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
The intention was that this was to be a PIVOT novel that would introduce changes to the Harper organization, not a conclusion to the series.
Ah. Okay, so I was close, so to speak. I suppose it would have been okay for a "First part of" book, though I'd have to read it again to be certain; I just know that the ending didn't seem to actually "end" the Harpers as they were. That line that "No one will trust the Harpers" (or however it went -- I don't have the book with me) didn't seem justified; Arilyn, as the "Harper Assassin," would have created far less trust than the characters of Thornhold.
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Hmm. Interesting observation. I find that quite a few readers seem to like one character significantly more than the other, but I'm partial to their interaction. That's why I'd love to write an adventure that focuses on the best aspects of Elfshadow: Danilo's foppish nobleman persona (reprised for the benefit of the new royal court of Tethyr), Arilyn's belief that kicking ass is the best means to self-actualization, Elaith's various schemes. And, of course, the interactions among these three.
I said that Danilo was my favorite, but that doesn't mean I'm not drooling at the thought of a novel featuring all three. I want them back together -- with both senses of the term, as far as Danilo and Arilyn are concerned. I like them as a couple, being the diehard romantic I am.
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Fantasy is trending toward dark, gritty stories filled with brooding antiheroes, but the tone of this story is swash-buckling fun.
Excellent. I love light-hearted stories and humor, even in the midst of dark danger. It's why I like Danlio so much. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 18:16:14
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Seven times yay to swashbuckling fun.
('Gritty' belongs with those other overworked cant terms -- 'uplifting', 'fast-paced', etc.)
Elaine, funny I've never asked this: does Wizards do all its copyediting and proofreading in-house or use some freelancers? |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 19:44:19
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Originally posted by Faraer
Elaine, funny I've never asked this: does Wizards do all its copyediting and proofreading in-house or use some freelancers?
Hmmm. Funny, but I've never asked that, either. I'm not sure what current policy might be. |
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Zacas
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 20:35:18
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::bahs as he JUST sent an e-mail to Elaine to ask her to enter the library... only to see JUST after he e-mailed her that she had already joined and posted a few notes... ah well..::
Heheh... welcone BTW. |
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I have gone to find myself. If I get back before I return, please keep me here.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 02:53:42
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Hail and well met.
Good tidings to you Mrs. Cunningham. About time you showed up.
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As Sirius Black sagely observed, a migration of FR writers may also inspire a flurry of imposters. It seemed prudent to reserve my name.
A very wise decision. Do you know there used to be someone at the WOTC board that posted using your name? The nerve.
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That said, I won't be able to participate in the forum to any extent for at least a month or so. Deadlines loom at me from both sides -- past (::gulp::) and very, very near future.
The horror...the damnable horror. There's only one to make this up in the future and it can be summed up in two words: Waterdeep outline.
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Signatures: Mine is extremely legible, the legacy of a strict background in which "penmanship" was a required class. But one thing I seldom do is add some nifty little quote or comment. Nothing worthwhile comes to mind until after the person has left, and it probably would be less than dignified to leap up from the signing table, chase people out of the bookstore, and bring them down with a flying tackle outside of the Orange Julius booth.
I can see the post now on the Candlekeep forum. "I got tackled by Elaine Cunningham!!!!"
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Hootinanny: I'm game, as long as line dancing isn't involved.
You bring the muffins and I'll bring the coffee. After we have those two things, all we need is a little hoot and just a touch of nanny. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 02:59:58
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
I received a chunk of manuscript from Ed the other day and laughed out loud through most of it. It'll be interesting to see how readers respond. Fantasy is trending toward dark, gritty stories filled with brooding antiheroes, but the tone of this story is swashbuckling fun.
Actually, that will be nice to see. I enjoyed Windwalker but some moments were very dark as Liriel saw consequences come about due to her actions. Given that by the time Waterdeep comes out, George R.R. Martin will have, hopefully, put out A Feast For Crows, I think I'll enjoy a swashbuckling romp.
Any sign of Captain Jack Sparrow? |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 11:27:11
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Any sign of Captain Jack Sparrow?
Not as such, no.
Come to think of it, though, one of the new guys, Beldar Roaringhorn, does look a bit like him. Tone down the pirate drag and eye makeup, add a cloak woven with red gemstones,* and you've got the general idea. And no, he does not go around insisting, "That's CAPTAIN Beldar Roaringhorn."
*Another character, a minor sorceress, has one inborn magical talent: the ability to spin damn near anything into thread. (A nod to the "laran" gifts of Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover novels.) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 12:36:00
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
[quote]...Fantasy is trending toward dark, gritty stories filled with brooding antiheroes, but the tone of this story is swashbuckling fun.
Indeed it is. It never ceases to amaze me how this trend continues to grow in the face of so many other trends already prevailent in fantasy stories today.
More and more, we see interest growing in those 'brooding antiheroes' types...The only thing that worries me is, how long will such a trend as this last...?
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 14:39:45
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Come to think of it, though, one of the new guys, Beldar Roaringhorn, does look a bit like him. Tone down the pirate drag and eye makeup, add a cloak woven with red gemstones,* and you've got the general idea. And no, he does not go around insisting, "That's CAPTAIN Beldar Roaringhorn."
Well, when you're from a noble family as I do believe the Roaringhorns are in Waterdeep, shouldn't everyone know who you are?
Thank you for sharing this nice little tidbit. A cloak woven with red gemstones? Sounds like the sorceress might be fond of Captain Roaringhorn... |
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Adrian Moonbow
Seeker
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Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 07:59:09
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
I received a chunk of manuscript from Ed the other day and laughed out loud through most of it. It'll be interesting to see how readers respond. Fantasy is trending toward dark, gritty stories filled with brooding antiheroes, but the tone of this story is swashbuckling fun.
Yay. I've waited for more of your (and Ed's) swashbuckling humor for years. Can't wait...
BTW: How do you swash a buckler? |
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I would have wanted never to grow up!"
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 10:21:52
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BTW: How do you swash a buckler?
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Lord Rad
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 16:14:34
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Since you asked . . . .
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From the ONLINE ETYMOLOGY DICTIONARY
Swash - 1538, "the fall of a heavy body or blow," possibly from wash with an intensifying s-. The meaning "a body of splashing water" is first found 1671; that of "a dashing or splashing" 1847.
Swashbuckler - 1560, from swash "fall of a blow" (see swash) + buckler "shield." The original sense seems to have been "one who makes menacing noises by striking his or an opponent's shield." Swashbuckling (adj.) is late 17c.
And in my interpretation, via Jack Archer:
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This was the highest insult in any school of fencing: to hit your off-hand -- or something held in that hand -- with your foil. It conveyed extreme contempt for that person’s opponent, carrying a connotation of “you can’t hit me” with it. This was called swashbuckling; literally, to hit your buckler, or shield, with your blade.
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 18:37:05
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I might have known.... Ya can sure rely on good ol' Bookwyrm
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Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Adrian Moonbow
Seeker
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Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 09:17:52
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Thank you Bookwyrm. Nice to get a thorough answer.
Now, carry on... |
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I would have wanted never to grow up!"
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 15:10:38
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So just to summarise the subject heading, who do we have here at Candlekeep (many of which were already here before the demise of the WotC Novels forum):
In no particular order:
Ed Greenwood (through the quill of another )
Paul S Kemp
Voronica Whitney-Robinson
Dave Gross
James Lowder
Thomas M Reid
Richard Lee Byers
Richard Baker
R A Salvatore
Elaine Cunningham
Edward Bolme
Don Bassingthwaite
Kameron M Franklin
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Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 15:27:25
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(coughs)
And, through me, whenever you want him, the Master himself, Ed Greenwood.
Think of him as Bilbo at his own birthday party. :}
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 15:54:55
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
(coughs)
And, through me, whenever you want him, the Master himself, Ed Greenwood.
Think of him as Bilbo at his own birthday party. :}
Youre quite right, Hooded One, I was gonna put Mr Greenwood down on the list but didnt wanna assume too much
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Lord Rad
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 17:20:25
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Originally posted by Rad
So just to summarise the subject heading, who do we have here at Candlekeep (many of which were already here before the demise of the WotC Novels forum):
In no particular order:
Ed Greenwood (through the quill of another )
Paul S Kemp
Voronica Whitney-Robinson
Dave Gross
James Lowder
Thomas M Reid
Richard Lee Byers
Richard Baker
R A Salvatore
Elaine Cunningham
Edward Bolme
Don Bassingthwaite
Kameron M Franklin
Murray Leeder
That's quite a crowd.
Would there be an interest in establishing a thread for each participating author? Bob Salvatore has an interactive thread on his message board, and this seems to work very well. Working writers with limited online time might be more inclined to stop by on a regular basis if they knew they only had to check one thread to find pertinent (and for that matter, IMpertinent...) questions and comments. This, of course, would not preclude browsing for those so inclined.
In addition to being neat and tidy, this strikes me as an excellent way to keep reading communities informed. Writers could post announcements about upcoming book signings, online chats, and convention appearances. When an author webpage has been updated, the writer can put up a two-line notice with a link to the relevant page. Ditto for online interviews and reviews, newly released books (links to pages on amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com), and other online information. It could be a handy one-stop, two-click reference, in addition to an easy-to-find place to chat.
This might also be a way to connect with authors who are not members of the Candlekeep community (and some who are, but who can only stop by infrequently.) Some writers have their own discussion boards, and, provided they are willing, links to these off-site discussions could be provided in those author threads. Granted, this would move a portion of the discussion off the Candlekeep boards, but it would also establish Candlekeep as the most inclusive FR writer/reader community on the web. It would also answer such perenial questions as, "What is Jeff Grubb doing these days?" and "Does Troy Denning have an online presence?"
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Demonwise
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Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 17:33:11
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| A simply marvelous idea. And then we won't have to filter through a half dozen "Question for [Insert Author Name]" threads :). |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 17:58:40
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Originally posted by Demonwise
A simply marvelous idea. And then we won't have to filter through a half dozen "Question for [Insert Author Name]" threads :).
Exactly. It could provide other reader conveniences, such starting each writer's thread with a list of his or her FR novels and short stories. Cross-referencing makes libraries more efficient and convenient, and this feature might might draw into the discussion people who've heard an author's name mentioned, but a) don't wish to appear uninformed and b) don't particularly want to browse or search the site for references to that writer's work.
Of course, there will be subjects such as WOTSQ that will include several writers, and it's likely that writers will check threads that refer to areas of interest. So there's no reason to assume that authors will ONLY frequent their own threads.
The down side is that people would probably still post "Question for (insert author name)" threads. It's human nature to create clutter, and moderators probably have enough to do without picking up after creators of stray threads. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 18:35:58
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
The down side is that people would probably still post "Question for (insert author name)" threads. It's human nature to create clutter, and moderators probably have enough to do without picking up after creators of stray threads.
Well met
Aye, all too much!
::strains under the weight of his ever-growing task list::
That said, 'tis indeed a great idea, lets give it a go |
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So which FR authors have migrated to these boards?
