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Ezindir the dark
Senior Scribe
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
 Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 20:15:32
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Yes Raven, I believe you, Ezindir, and I could become fast friends, or, if you will, Vhaeraunites...... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Ezindir the dark
Senior Scribe
Norway
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RaVeN1463
Seeker
USA
96 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 22:34:59
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yes good friends. Vhaeraunite Cyric bashing friends  what a great combo. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 22:54:25
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| Haha, Cyric-bashing friends??? Ezindir, I like him already. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 05:14:21
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| Well everyones got their own opinions as to which would be a good place to start. Here's mine, line them all up and go eeny, meeny, miny, mo. Falling short of that, then pick a series which you'd think you'd enjoy and then if it mentions something in the past which sparks your interest then go back and read up on it. |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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RaVeN1463
Seeker
USA
96 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 05:16:50
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| Shadow how long did it take to get the password in your email from Vhaeruam its been 2 days fo me and im wondering if thats normal? |
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RaVeN1463
Seeker
USA
96 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 14:46:28
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| thanks to everyone who has giving me an idea of where to start in the books and I think I'll start with Homeland. |
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Ezindir the dark
Senior Scribe
Norway
603 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 14:52:25
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Haha, Cyric-bashing friends??? Ezindir, I like him already.
Yes indeed.
The future look bright for us Vhaeraunites. |
Learn about the Ways of Vhaeraun .
- Check out my bio, majore update
- The Wanderers Quest
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2004 : 20:57:11
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Originally posted by RaVeN1463
Shadow, how long did it take to get the password in your email from Vhaeruam its been 2 days fo me and im wondering if thats normal?
It should come instantly, because its an instantaneous result. You probably just typed your E-mail address incorrectly.
Originally posted by RaVeN1463
thanks to everyone who has giving me an idea of where to start in the books and I think I'll start with Homeland.
Ahh, already he's listening to me. Raven, we'll become fast friends!
Originally posted by Ezindir the Dark
Yes indeed.
The future look bright for us Vhaeraunites.
We don't want the future to be bright. Our best work is done in shadows...... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Ezindir the dark
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2004 : 21:26:38
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| Of course it does.... Come now, Ezindir, my Raven, lets buy a few drinks at the inn, if the commotion has subsided, that is. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2004 : 22:23:05
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i think we r getting a little off topic Shadowlord |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2004 : 00:32:31
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| Dracandos, he found the answer to his question. This is now an open topic. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2004 : 03:12:22
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im just kidding Shadowlord
i would recoment the Avatar trilogy myself, its the 1st trilogy i read |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2004 : 05:36:40
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Originally posted by RaVeN1463
thanks to everyone who has giving me an idea of where to start in the books and I think I'll start with Homeland.
Noooooooo!!!!!
Ah, shucks. Blasted pagan Vhaeraunites . . . .   |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
Download the brickfilm masterpiece by Leftfield Studios! See this page for more. |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
466 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2004 : 20:14:06
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| what did u recomend Bookwyrm? |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2004 : 23:02:21
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Not starting with Homeland. It's book four, not book one!
It's like starting with the newer Star Wars movies, or reading Belgarath the Sorcerer and Polgara the Sorceress before starting The Belgariad quintet. |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
Download the brickfilm masterpiece by Leftfield Studios! See this page for more. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2004 : 23:07:16
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Not starting with Homeland. It's book four, not book one!
It's like starting with the newer Star Wars movies, or reading Belgarath the Sorcerer and Polgara the Sorceress before starting The Belgariad quintet.
must....resist.....age...old...argument! ::gritting teeth::
Bah, its no good.......ill have to say to read the Dark Elf trilogy BEFORE Icewind Dale trilogy
Oof!  I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, Bookwyrm |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2004 : 23:54:33
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| Or at least shut up before I come under the sway of this Dragon Rage I keep hearing about . . . . |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 01:16:46
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| Haha, Bookwyrm! Vhaeraunites triumph over Mithril Dragon! I can see it on all the headlines..... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 02:44:23
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Originally posted by Rad
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Not starting with Homeland. It's book four, not book one!
It's like starting with the newer Star Wars movies, or reading Belgarath the Sorcerer and Polgara the Sorceress before starting The Belgariad quintet.
must....resist.....age...old...argument! ::gritting teeth::
Bah, its no good.......ill have to say to read the Dark Elf trilogy BEFORE Icewind Dale trilogy
Oof! I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one, Bookwyrm
Rad has the right idea, even given the Bookwyrm's threat of Dragon's Rage. If you want to read the full and complete story of any series, it makes 'logical' sense to start at the story's, rather than the publishing date's, beginning... . If you are still stuck on the other method, try reading the series in publishing date order next time...See which method you prefer.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 02:50:21
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| Haha, even the Almighty Sage of Perth, errr, I mean Sage, agrees with me! Give up, Bookwyrm. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31727 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 03:08:38
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This isn't a 'battle' over who is right about which order or method to read FR novels Shadowlord, every scribe here has his/her individual tastes when it comes to these types of novel topics. I was merely stating that to understand the full story completely from beginning to end, it makes sense to read the story in plot-progress order.
I have on occassion, read novels in publishing order, The Belgariad quintet being an example, but that was only because I hadn't purchased the prequels before I read the quintet.
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 03:13:21
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| Sage, I know that, but the art of acting has a certain hold over me lately..... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 07:06:02
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Actually, as exhibit A for the prosecution (no, I haven't been watching Law & Order ), I present my sister. When she was eight, she got curious about the character of Polgara, both from the hero-pose on the cover and from what I'd mentioned to her. She insisted that she wanted to read it, but I told her it was actually the end of a twelve-book series. This was before her alignment switched from Chaotic Good to Chaotic Evil, though, and while she was still reading in the way I consider to be healthy, she didn't have the dedication to start reading twelve books to get to what she wanted.
So I gave her a compromise. I let her read Belgarath the Sorcerer first. She got a bit confused at the prologue (which takes place after the end of Book Ten), but it wasn't much -- just the characters convincing Belgarath, the oldest (and perhaps the crankiest) man in the world to write his autobiography. Then it goes back seven thousand years and starts from there.
My sister devoured it, even with the odd comments Belgarath makes in his naration. Then the book stops right before the first book in the series. So she goes on to Polgara the Sorceress, where Belgarath's daughter tells her side of the story, at least over the past three thousand years. She quite enjoyed that one -- I'm certain that Mrs. Eddings had considerable input on that one. But then she gets to the end. And it stops right before Book One.
"But I want to read about when Garion kills Torak!" she said, like she was accusing me of hiding something from her.
I have others, but that's the one that most sticks out in my mind. She admitted she would have been happier reading it from the beginning.
I suppose I should mention Anne McCaffery's Dragonriders of Pern series. It has a rather disorganized order; first one trilogy, then another that takes place between Book Two and Three, then one takes place centuries before, then another that takes place in the middle of the previous, then one that details the colonization of the planet . . . . Yet the author askes you to read them in order. And it's worth it, because that way the information is revealed in the proper order.
The Drizzt books aren't as obvious that way, especially if you're the type to skip over Drizzt's jounal entries -- which are written after the main events of The Halfling's Gem. But until R. A. Salvatore says different, I'm going to be insisting they be read in publication order. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 14:39:17
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| Star Wars is certainly intended to be watched in order of Episodes I-VI; the episodes other than IV are not sequels or 'prequels' but simply installments of the whole -- Star Wars is the work, not the individual films, just as The Lord of the Rings isn't a trilogy. (It amazes me that Lucasfilm itself uses the term 'prequel', which I'm quite sure costs them money each time.) |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 16:40:40
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The David Eddings books should definitly be read in order of publication. And this is coming from somebody who usually prefers to read things in chronological order.
The Belgarath and Polgara books are interesting in that most men prefer the Belgarath book, while most women prefer the Polgara book.
(proceeds to hide from Alaundo for contributing to this tangent) |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 17:10:33
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Ack! There are only three Star Wars movies! Lucas has turned to the Dark Side and become Darth Digitalgeekus! 
Seriously, the prequels don't hold much continuity with the original. Lucas would have done better if he'd not concentrated on trying to win back his title as "director with the best new special effects." Before, he used the effects to complement the story, yet now it's to actually tell the story. Sort of like the Dungeons & Dragons movie.
Anyway, I still hold "order of publication" true in the Star Wars sense. Movies, anyway. The novels (Lucas should have done the Thrawn Trilogy, but he'd probably mess that up anyway) do a very good job of keeping continuity, though I still say that the Thrawn trilogy should be read before the rest, even though it takes place after RotJ. After all, it was what shaped everything else.
Oh, and Lowtech: I'm a guy, and I prefer Polgara the Sorceress. It's funnier. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 17:54:38
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In a generation or two we'll barely remember the 15-year gap between Star Wars IV and I. The only differences between IV-VI and I-III are that the technology exists now to show what was always imagined, and that nostalgia exists for one and not yet for the other. The 'too much special effects' screeds we hear now are almost verbatim the same as in 1977.
George Lucas can't make VII-IX because he doesn't know what happens after the eucastrophe, when the hero's boon is reintegrated into the cosmos. Our culture doesn't, and Tim Zahn surely does not -- he didn't even understand that the Empire and the Sith are permanently destroyed at the end of Episode VI. |
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