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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 05 Feb 2013 :  09:04:10  Show Profile  Visit xaeyruudh's Homepage Send xaeyruudh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Are you jabbing at me, Jeremy? I think you're jabbing. I undoubtedly deserve it, though, so... cheers.

While I think it might be productive to have a place for complaints, I don't think we gripers would think to post there in the heat of the moment. Which is the real problem... once we're out of the moment, we realize that complaining isn't going to accomplish anything, and we can elect not to post at all, or dial it down to an appropriate level. So it would end up being a wastebasket where the mods actively dump rants... which just ends up being more work for them, and also generates more animosity.

It would be nice if WotC provided more answers regarding the thoughts behind some of their decisions. But for all I know, they do provide them, in various columns on the website over the last several years which I haven't read. One example being the illuminating link that Markus provided earlier.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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Posted - 05 Feb 2013 :  13:17:55  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I used to think that someone (or several someones) 'had it out for' the Forgotten Realms in 4e. I used to espouse this belief quite a lot on the WotC forums (and here, when I first began to migrate over full-time). My reasoning was that I could not believe that some of those decisions (like that positively atrocious 4e FR campaign map) weren't done with malice. The bottom line is, I was giving the 4e design team too much credit.

I NOW believe nothing they did was with malice - they truly thought they were 'fixing' the Realms. While that raises my opinion of them as human beings, it unfortunately lowers my opinion of their decision-making capabilities drastically. I find it difficult to believe everyone was on-board with that - I think it was more the case of one or two strong personalities forcing their 'vision' on their friends.

Of course, we'll probably never know (and everything I just said is just IMHO). It also doesn't matter as of right now - its like arguing over what really started WWII.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 05 Feb 2013 13:18:46
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Feb 2013 :  16:30:46  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Let us please not go treading down this road any further, please. We've gone down this path many, many times. There is a lot more we could discuss, with far more productive results, rather than rehashing old arguments.

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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 05 Feb 2013 :  20:11:49  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by xaeyruudh

Are you jabbing at me, Jeremy? I think you're jabbing. I undoubtedly deserve it, though, so... cheers.
Not jabbing. More like teasing.

In all seriousness, I've come to realize not all people complain or gripe or whatever word you want to use because it's easy to be negative and just throw it out there.

Some people do it because they care a lot, so they make their voice heard as often as possible.

In that way it's kind of like a perpetual motion machine or unlimited energy. I just wish there was a way to harness that energy and use it in a positive manner.

The point wouldn't be to change people's minds or tell them what they can or can't think, but to provide a point of reference and a source of knowledge for fans of the setting about why certain controversial (if only within this little corner of the internets) decisions were made.

I think a more informed fan base is a fan base better able to communicate its wants and desires to the current crop of game designers and editors at WotC. If we're informed about the Realms' design history, we may be able to provide a perspective that a designer might not otherwise have been aware of.

Apologies, Wooly. I'll take my leave from this scroll.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).
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