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Tsynn the Sanguine
Acolyte
USA
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 Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 00:18:21
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Ok, an interesting dilemma arose in tonights session...
We ended up wondering and arguing over whether or not through use of the Deflect Arrows or Snatch Arrows feats, could one catch a caber or a flying dwarf?
Thanks in advance
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Dosst streea zhah khrusta, Usstan shlu'ta xun ol, xor dos shlu'ta dormagyn uns'aa l' degahr. |
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Belfar
Seeker
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 00:20:14
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| I would doubt it. An arrow shaft and a dwarf have extremely differing diameters. But maybe thats just me. |
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Tsynn the Sanguine
Acolyte
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 01:35:22
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Deflect Arrow: You can deflect incomming arrows, as well as crossbow bolts, spears and other shot or thrown weapons
our DM insists that thrown or shot weapons are sling bullets, shuriken and that such, but the caber and the dwarf (sometimes) are thrown weapons. |
Dosst streea zhah khrusta, Usstan shlu'ta xun ol, xor dos shlu'ta dormagyn uns'aa l' degahr. |
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Belfar
Seeker
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 01:37:53
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| Well I think it refers to smaller thrown weapons. I mean if a giant throws a boulder how are you gonna deflect that? Well whatever your DM decides. Also a dwarf weighs 180+ lbs. I mean come on people be logical. |
Edited by - Belfar on 16 Jan 2004 01:41:32 |
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Naroon Shimmerflow
Learned Scribe
Norway
104 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 06:05:17
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I have to agree with Belfar, even if I don`t play 3rd i still think Belfars argument are logical
but that`s just an 2nd ed player opinion |
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Bayne
Seeker
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 11:10:39
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| Yes, but if our DM allows tossing dwarves as a throwing weapon not unlike a grenade (his words, not mine), then shouldn't we be able to deflect that? |
Nindyn vel'uss kyorl nind ratha thalra elyhinn dal lil alust |
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 12:07:31
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Originally posted by Bayne
Yes, but if our DM allows tossing dwarves as a throwing weapon not unlike a grenade (his words, not mine), then shouldn't we be able to deflect that?
I'd like to see a little more information on this:
1. Who is allowed to throw the dwarf?
2. What is their Strength?
3. How far is the dwarf expected to be thrown?
4. Does the Dwarf explode ("not unlike a grenade") when he/she lands?
5. Are we considering a naked dwarf or one that is fully equipped?
6. How is the dwarf gripped before being thrown (ie does your campaign include a subrace of dwarves with handles)?
7. Can the dwarf being thrown be replaced with a lighter, perhaps easier to grip, human?
8. Can an ambidextrous player throw two halflings?
9. Can you please describe some of the other carefully thought out "house rules" your DM has introduced? It's lunch time, I'm at work, I'm having a bad day and need another try at choking on my sandwich.
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Tsynn the Sanguine
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 15:08:51
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1. Myself and the dwarf, as he has a cursed "dwarven thrower" hammer
2. 14
3. 10 feet or so, similar to a dart/shuriken
4. Not as of yet
5. His last throw was naked, but normally fully equipped in full plate
6. By beard, horns on helm, or by weapon
7. Doubtful
8. Dwarves are currently the only thrown race we have developed statistics for, so for the moment, I would say yes, but at a penalty to hit
9. None of the rules our dm comes up with are really thought out: No multi PrC, and can only use races from the PHB are ones that come to mind. In regards to the dwarf, he can only be thrown if willing
That however still doesn't answer the caber!
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Dosst streea zhah khrusta, Usstan shlu'ta xun ol, xor dos shlu'ta dormagyn uns'aa l' degahr. |
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RogueAssassin
Learned Scribe
USA
207 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 17:05:10
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Isuggest just throwing a normal weapon...for instace a spear or javalin...dwarves arnt the most usual ammunition or the most willing.
those bastids can just be downright difficult sometimes...
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"Spirit. Its a Heros strength, a mothers resiliance, and the poor mans armor. It cannot be broken and it cannot be taken away. This i must belive"---Drizzt Do'Urden |
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Bayne
Seeker
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 20:00:40
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quote:
Originally posted by RogueAssassin
Isuggest just throwing a normal weapon...for instace a spear or javalin...dwarves arnt the most usual ammunition or the most willing.
those bastids can just be downright difficult sometimes...
-Rogue
This unorthodox dwarf is more than welcoming when asked (if asked, which hasn't happened yet) to be thrown at the enemy, as he sees it as more chance to do damage, not thinking of the possible negative results of such an action.
Also, this course of action has led to many defeatings of our opponents, it was the second to last blow on a fecal golem (which i ended up diving through with a punch), and it also destroyed a chain golem, by allowing the dwarf to thrash as 1d4 damage...he did this because the chain golem wrapped it's chains around his weapons. |
Nindyn vel'uss kyorl nind ratha thalra elyhinn dal lil alust |
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 20:23:05
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Originally posted by Tsynn the Sanguine
That however still doesn't answer the caber!
I'm sorry, I wasn't expecting a serious answer from you (so many answers ... so little time).
If, however, you want a serious answer from me, I would suggest that as a dwarf tends to be approx 4 feet in circumference then if he is only being thrown for 10 feet the object at twhich the dwarf is being thrown will almost certainly not have time to react to either catch him, dodge him or do anything else you can imagine doing to a flying dwarf.
Perhaps what you need is to introduce some new feats to go with the new rules. How about:
1. Dodge thrown Dwarf
2. Catch thrown Dwarf
3. Ignore obvious wind up
I'm sure the other people posting to the thread can come up with some other examples.
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Belfar
Seeker
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 22:30:31
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| Well I suppose you could make a feat that both of you could take to make dwarf throwing more effective. Something that you have to both take so you could get bonuses. There is a feat in Sword and Fist and I think its in Complete Warrior too called Throw Anything. You can basiclly at a 10 foot range throw anything even it isnt meant to be a weapon, such as a...oh I don't know...dwarf? |
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RogueAssassin
Learned Scribe
USA
207 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 22:43:18
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Yeah u could get throw anything and a few of the teamwork feats,wreap the dwarf in razor wire and let him have at it.
-Rogue |
"Spirit. Its a Heros strength, a mothers resiliance, and the poor mans armor. It cannot be broken and it cannot be taken away. This i must belive"---Drizzt Do'Urden |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2004 : 07:32:52
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| Okay, it's not dwarf fighting, but take a look anyway. |
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Bayne
Seeker
USA
86 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2004 : 12:45:57
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Okay, it's not dwarf fighting, but take a look anyway.
Haha, nice, Bookwyrm |
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