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CorellonsDevout
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 Posted - 04 Oct 2012 : 23:28:26
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This is somewhat off topic, but it still concerns elves, so here it goes.
I actually created a thread out of this, called Arvandor: core vs FR, and while it got responses, the thread didn’t expand too much. I’m also actually having this discussion in another thread too, but since it’s on my mind, and since you’re a good elf source, I thought I should ask you as well. I purchased a D&D sourcebook titled The Plane Above: Secrets of the Astral Sea for 4e, and there is a section on Arvandor, but it is not the Arvandor I am familiar with. Erik Scott de Bie said he wrote the description, and I am meaning no disrespect towards him, but it still has me wondering. In the FR books I’ve read featuring elves, if you worship at least one of the Seldarine, or at least acknowledge them, your soul goes to Arvandor when you die, and there you spend eternity, where you are reunited with loved ones, etc. In the description in The Plane Above, it says that the afterlife isn’t forever, and that even in Arvandor, you can die again, because there is great danger, and even exalted souls can’t be promised eternity. This clashes with my previous conceptions of the home of the Seldarine. Erik said he was influenced by his love of the Realms, but it was not the exact same as the Arvandor of the Realms, and told me not to read too much into it, but it still has me curious. Do you have any thoughts/insights on this? I know if I were an elf in the Realms I wouldn’t want to die a second time once I’m in Arvandor, but I can understand why Erik was influenced by the Arvandor and Seldarine of the Realms (who wouldn’t be?). I only have a few of the sourcebooks, so most of my knowledge comes from reading the novels, but this is how it has always seemed to me. I could be in Arvandor with Corellon forever! Bwahaha! *ahem* sorry, getting carried away.  |
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 01:28:28
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Trying to remember which book had their meeting in it. A little help Wooly?
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 01:30:37
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
This is somewhat off topic, but it still concerns elves, so here it goes.
I actually created a thread out of this, called Arvandor: core vs FR, and while it got responses, the thread didn’t expand too much. I’m also actually having this discussion in another thread too, but since it’s on my mind, and since you’re a good elf source, I thought I should ask you as well. I purchased a D&D sourcebook titled The Plane Above: Secrets of the Astral Sea for 4e, and there is a section on Arvandor, but it is not the Arvandor I am familiar with. Erik Scott de Bie said he wrote the description, and I am meaning no disrespect towards him, but it still has me wondering. In the FR books I’ve read featuring elves, if you worship at least one of the Seldarine, or at least acknowledge them, your soul goes to Arvandor when you die, and there you spend eternity, where you are reunited with loved ones, etc. In the description in The Plane Above, it says that the afterlife isn’t forever, and that even in Arvandor, you can die again, because there is great danger, and even exalted souls can’t be promised eternity. This clashes with my previous conceptions of the home of the Seldarine. Erik said he was influenced by his love of the Realms, but it was not the exact same as the Arvandor of the Realms, and told me not to read too much into it, but it still has me curious. Do you have any thoughts/insights on this? I know if I were an elf in the Realms I wouldn’t want to die a second time once I’m in Arvandor, but I can understand why Erik was influenced by the Arvandor and Seldarine of the Realms (who wouldn’t be?). I only have a few of the sourcebooks, so most of my knowledge comes from reading the novels, but this is how it has always seemed to me. I could be in Arvandor with Corellon forever! Bwahaha! *ahem* sorry, getting carried away.
I haven't read the sourcebook you cited, so I don't have an informed opinion on this issue. Sorry! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 03:03:35
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Have you ever considered writing a novel (series?) with RAS? I mean, the 'Liriel meets Drizzt' scenario is ever fanboi's wetdream.
Or do you think that Drizzt's uberness would over-shadow your character?
It just seems strange that the two never met or interacted in any way (although, given the geographic separation at the end of your series, its easy to see why). They have interacted with the same people, though... hasn't Drizzt met Danilo Thann? (He's been to Waterdeep, IIRC).
We could have 5th edition drow-babies! 
{They're cute! they're cuddly! They'll rip your face off for a ba-ba! they're Droooow babies!") 
Liriel met Danilo Thann. Is that what you were thinking of?
Liriel met Dan, but to the best of my knowledge, Drizzt has not.
And I should like to say, I loved the encounter between Danilo and Liriel -- it's one of my favorite parts of the book. I like Liriel, but I like Danilo a lot more -- and that brief conversation of theirs nicely showed just how many levels Dan can play on at the same time. It also showed, quite well, how humor can be used as a tool and as a way to communicate messages that otherwise can't be said. As a self-styled Trickster-type, I appreciate using humor like that.
As I've long said, Danilo's my favourite Realms character. And this particular scene is a classic example of why I enjoy reading about him so much.
Not only does it admirably demonstrate the overall depth of Danilo's character, but it also takes a worthwhile developmental step away from the "dandy, foppish" character type that we'd otherwise usually have attributed to him. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 03:08:04
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All right, I thought I would ask anyway :) I'll just stick with what I know from the novels, which is the Arvandor I know and love.
I actually somewhat regret asking the question, because I do not want to confuse you, nor do I want to insult Erik. He did state that what he wrote for the Plane Above was influenced by his love of the Realms, which is why he included the Seldarine, but it was not the same, so I presume the Arvandor of the Realms is the same it's always been, and I'm reading too much into it. I was just hoping for a little more detail, is all, so I've been asking around All I've read in the Realms novels has implied that the afterlife in Arvandor is eternal, and in the RFCGs, there has been nothing to really suggest otherwise that I've read. But we've all read things that make us go "wait, what? I don't recall that  " which was the case when I read The Plane Above, so I brought it up ^^; We all have things in the Realms we care about, after all.
I think I've asked this before, but I do not remember your answer: will you be writing in 5e? I miss seeing your name in the Realms. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 05:23:10
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No, I am well aware of the scene with Danillo and Liriel, but I thought Drizzt also met Danillo. I know Drizzt met Khelben (or am I remembering that wrong? Its been so many years since I read the books where he sailed with Deudermont). Regardless, Drizzt sailed with capt. Deudermont, who was considered a hero in Waterdeep, so most Waterdeepians would have 'caught wind' of a drow sailing on one of their pirate-hunting warships (because thats not an easy thing to keep secret). So logic dictates that Danillo - being who he is - would go out of his way to meet this 'good drow' the first chance he got (like when Capt. Deudermont made port, which he must have done from time to time). Did Drizzt ever meet the Promenade Drow and Qilué Veladorn? Seems to me someone should have been able to introduce them. Maybe Liriel's daddy.
I know he met Volo... it was weird. Drizzt happened to be sailing by (during his tenure as a pirate-hunter) and found Volo and friends floating in the Sea of Swords (talk about an epic deux ex machina!) I don't recall why they were there - i think their boat fell apart... i jst recall tehey ahd jst left Fantasy island... no... I'm not joking. Mr. Rourke was there. FR canon can be a little bizarre at times.
So, anyway... if he can have a chance meeting with Volo in the middle of the ocean, then I think two, fun-loving (mostly good) Drow should find love and happiness with each other. After all, Catrtie-Brie and Alustriel are both dead, so Drizzt must be getting a little 'antsy'.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 16:57:43
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Originally posted by Markustay
No, I am well aware of the scene with Danillo and Liriel, but I thought Drizzt also met Danillo. I know Drizzt met Khelben (or am I remembering that wrong? Its been so many years since I read the books where he sailed with Deudermont). Regardless, Drizzt sailed with capt. Deudermont, who was considered a hero in Waterdeep, so most Waterdeepians would have 'caught wind' of a drow sailing on one of their pirate-hunting warships (because thats not an easy thing to keep secret). So logic dictates that Danillo - being who he is - would go out of his way to meet this 'good drow' the first chance he got (like when Capt. Deudermont made port, which he must have done from time to time). Did Drizzt ever meet the Promenade Drow and Qilué Veladorn? Seems to me someone should have been able to introduce them. Maybe Liriel's daddy.
I know he met Volo... it was weird. Drizzt happened to be sailing by (during his tenure as a pirate-hunter) and found Volo and friends floating in the Sea of Swords (talk about an epic deux ex machina!) I don't recall why they were there - i think their boat fell apart... i jst recall tehey ahd jst left Fantasy island... no... I'm not joking. Mr. Rourke was there. FR canon can be a little bizarre at times.
So, anyway... if he can have a chance meeting with Volo in the middle of the ocean, then I think two, fun-loving (mostly good) Drow should find love and happiness with each other. After all, Catrtie-Brie and Alustriel are both dead, so Drizzt must be getting a little 'antsy'.
Drow babies... c'mon... you know you want to! Its like evil with a binky!
Well Drizzt isn't exactly emotionally available as of Charons Claw ending. He wrapped up in......a "relationship"....kinda, maybe. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 17:24:44
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I think I've asked this before, but I do not remember your answer: will you be writing in 5e? I miss seeing your name in the Realms.
Thanks--I appreciate the kind thought. I don't currently have plans for 5E--again, I have several other projects in the works that require my focus--but I'd love to return to the Realms at some point.' |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 18:33:08
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 19:47:48
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This conversation made me realize one of the biggest problems of a 'shared world' setting. Its an illusion - there really is no such thing.
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
I think I've asked this before, but I do not remember your answer: will you be writing in 5e? I miss seeing your name in the Realms.
Thanks--I appreciate the kind thought. I don't currently have plans for 5E--again, I have several other projects in the works that require my focus--but I'd love to return to the Realms at some point.'
I desperately crave more Elaith Craulnober. I think many of us do - what a complex character!
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Well Drizzt isn't exactly emotionally available as of Charons Claw ending. He wrapped up in......a "relationship"....kinda, maybe.
I won't be reading any of that series - a first for me (I've read every other RAS book and story set in the Realms, and I can't say that about any other author).
I took it as a personal affront when he began moving cities around wholesale. The written word is interpretable, but maps must remain inviolate. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 20:18:32
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Originally posted by Markustay
So, anyway... if he can have a chance meeting with Volo in the middle of the ocean, then I think two, fun-loving (mostly good) Drow should find love and happiness with each other.
I can't see Drizzt and Liriel in a relationship. They're both drow, sure, and neither one of them would list sex with demons among their ideas of a good time, but I'm not sure that constitutes a workable foundation for lasting love.
Plus, these characters are written by different authors. I'm not going to write Drizzt, Bob's not going to write Liriel, and we're not going to collaborate on a story, particularly one that neither of us thinks would work. (Bob once responded to a query of "What would happen if..." by saying bluntly, "She would kill him in his sleep." And I must say, that DOES sound like Liriel...) I suppose it's possible that WotC could get a third writer to do such a tale, but I can't see any reason why they'd WANT to.
So. In a shared world, a freelance writer can't say...uh, much of ANYTHING with 100% confidence, but I'm at least 97% certain a Drizzt-and-Liriel story is never gonna happen. And I think that's for the best. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 20:35:10
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Originally posted by Markustay
This conversation made me realize one of the biggest problems of a 'shared world' setting. Its an illusion - there really is no such thing.
Sure there is. For one thing, the setting is...shared. Thousands of writers, game designers, artists, programmers, and gamers work and play in the Realms. Writers collaborate on individual books--Cormyr, for example, or City of Splendors--or work together on longer story arcs, such as WotSQ.
On every level, there's an enormous amount of give-and-take. You mentioned Elaith Craulnober. (Thanks, btw!) He was created by Ed Greenwood. When I was writing Elfshadow, all I knew of Elaith was a 2-paragraph NPC description in the old game product The North. At the time, I had no idea that he was a long-standing character in Ed's personal campaign. Ed has been very gracious about this kidnapping. For more examples, consider this thread, in which several examples have been cited about characters meeting characters from another series or author.
You have prominent authors helping to launch careers of newcomers by lending their names and their expertise to series: R.A. Salvatore Presents War of the Spider Queen, Ed Greenwood Presents Waterdeep.
You have writers who exchanges thousands of emails and phone calls to touch base, kick around ideas, ensure continuity.
Trust me, there's a whole lot of sharing going on. The lack of one particular example--a Drizzt and Liriel story--in no way diminishes this.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 21:18:15
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Trying to remember which book had their meeting in it. A little help Wooly?
Tangled Webs
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 21:25:32
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Originally posted by Markustay
No, I am well aware of the scene with Danillo and Liriel, but I thought Drizzt also met Danillo. I know Drizzt met Khelben (or am I remembering that wrong? Its been so many years since I read the books where he sailed with Deudermont). Regardless, Drizzt sailed with capt. Deudermont, who was considered a hero in Waterdeep, so most Waterdeepians would have 'caught wind' of a drow sailing on one of their pirate-hunting warships (because thats not an easy thing to keep secret). So logic dictates that Danillo - being who he is - would go out of his way to meet this 'good drow' the first chance he got (like when Capt. Deudermont made port, which he must have done from time to time).
Yes, Drizzt met Khelben in one of the earlier books.
I'm sure Dan has heard stories of Deudermont and his drow ally, but it doesn't follow that he'd actually meet the captain and his crew. They come from very different walks of life, for one thing, and both have many demands on their time and attention. The captain hunts pirates at sea. Dan is a bard, mage, and Harper who spent most of this time period traveling through the North and to Tethyr on various missions. He also participates in his family business, and is very involved with the wine trade. So while Dan probably heard of Drizzt and is aware of the drow's association with a Waterdeep sea caption, I don't think it's logical to assume that they would meet. Even if Dan sought out the drow, why would Drizzt feel obligated to meet with a curious Waterdeep nobleman? Unless they had business in common, such a meeting strikes me as very unlikely.
We lived in Santa Monica for a year or so. I was aware of many of the actors and other celebrities who lived in town, but I didn't meet many of them and most of these "meetings" were just in passing. Goldie Hawn's son Wyatt was in the same class as my son Andrew, and I brought Andrew to her house to race those little wooden cars Cub Scouts build. Another classmate was O.J. Simpson's daughter Sydney. I saw the Sydney's parents at school functions, but never chatted with either. So it is, I would imagine, in Waterdeep. Nearly everyone would know who Khelben Arunsun is, and many would have caught a glimpse of him, but far fewer have meaningful interactions with him and fewer still actually KNOW him. Just because characters are familiar to you and me, or even because one of both are familiar names to Waterdhavians, it's really not that likely that characters' paths will cross. Waterdeep is a big and busy city.
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Did Drizzt ever meet the Promenade Drow and Qilué Veladorn? Seems to me someone should have been able to introduce them. Maybe Liriel's daddy.
I don't know if Drizzt ever met Qilue, but I'm pretty sure Gromph Baenre would never be in a position to introduce Drizzt to Qilue. For one thing, Gromph is pretty much a prisoner in Menzoberranzan, tethered there by his responsibilities as archmage. For another, HE IS A BAENRE, and by drow law, Drizzt's continued existence is a threat to House Baenre. If Gromph met Drizzt, he would almost certainly do his best to kill him. Also, Gromph would have no reason, and probably no opportunity, to meet Qilue or go to the Promenade Temple in Skullport. Certainly he'd have no reason to facilitate a meeting between Drizzt and Qilue, unless doing so was part of some plot he had going on. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 05 Oct 2012 : 23:52:17
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That last a part was tongue-in-cheek. I had thought that the two could have met in the Promenade. I was just looking for any sort of connection and/or persons in common. The part about Gromph was the joke, and I meant that he could introduce Liriel to Drizzt (not Drizzt to Qilue).
I once ran into someone I work with an a NY metropolitan airport. Ever been to one of those? They are like cities unto themselves (and we have three). Same city, same airport, at the same time, in a city of 8 million (plus nearly another 8 million people living where we live on Long Island). My brother once met someone he went to school with here in NY when he lived in California, 3500 miles away, and my sister once ran into someone she knew in Europe!
I am not saying its something that should have happened, I am just saying it would be kinda cool, and entirely possible. Ever read Cat's Cradle? I am a follower of Kurt Vonnegut's concept of 'Bokononism'. Although I am aware that its a made-up religion, it actual makes more sense then some RW religions (in some, not all, respects). I truly believe that 'like people' are attracted to one another and will meet, despite whatever contrary conditions exist (include geographic distance).
If you think about it, its how we wind-up with 'parties of heroes' in D&D. 
The final print issue of Dragon featured a 'Drizzt vs Raistlin' article with both Ed and Margaret Weiss. I thought maybe one of those 'theoretical meet-up' articles might be possible somewhere down the line. Although Drizzt annoys the heck out of me, I can't stop reading about him, and Liriel is one of my favorite FR characters. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 01:56:33
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Originally posted by Markustay
That last a part was tongue-in-cheek. I had thought that the two could have met in the Promenade. I was just looking for any sort of connection and/or persons in common. The part about Gromph was the joke, and I meant that he could introduce Liriel to Drizzt (not Drizzt to Qilue).
Ah. Okay, that makes a lot more sense now.
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Lilianviaten
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 06:07:22
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 14:00:57
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Is Liriel still in Rashemen? She's the adventurous type, so I would imagine that she wouldn't stay in any one place for too many decades. On the other hand, Rashemen is a fascinating land, so I can't be sure.
No. When we last saw Liriel (the short story "Answered Prayers," in Best of the Realms Book III), she was in Impiltur with her sword sisters, Thorn and Sharlarra. This was ten years after the events of Windwalker. But a hundred years have passed since then, and I can't imagine that she stayed in Impiltur very long. Hard to say where she might be these days.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 18:33:42
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Come to think of it, "Sword Sisters" isn't a half-bad title.
And ties in nicely to what we have been discussing in This Thread.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 19:26:17
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Come to think of it, "Sword Sisters" isn't a half-bad title.
And ties in nicely to what we have been discussing in This Thread.
I'm smelling an anthology coming on.
An anthology would be nifty. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 21:43:08
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Come to think of it, "Sword Sisters" isn't a half-bad title.
And ties in nicely to what we have been discussing in This Thread.
I'm smelling an anthology coming on.
An anthology would be nifty.
Especially if it had a story about
Bronwyn and one about
Matteo and Tsigone and one about
Elaith and one about
Danilo and Arilyn and one about
Azariah (sp?) and one about
Ferret and one about
Anything Elaine wants it to be
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 06 Oct 2012 : 21:51:16
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Right - a "What have the ladies been up to?" edition-neutral Realms anthology.
If they turned it into a series, well... most series have an anthology connected to them, so its all good (in other words, if Elaine has an idea for a 'Sword Sisters' novel or series, we could still have an anthology to go along with it).
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 02:40:38
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| I'm flattered by the enthusiasm. But as I mentioned before in this thread, I've got several things to finish before I could even THINK about 5E. |
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 03:43:30
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| Can I ask why you never wrote in 4e? Was it for the same reason you aren't currently going to be writing in 5e? |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 16:34:24
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Can I ask why you never wrote in 4e? Was it for the same reason you aren't currently going to be writing in 5e?
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Firestorm
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Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 17:03:42
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by Markustay
No, I am well aware of the scene with Danillo and Liriel, but I thought Drizzt also met Danillo. I know Drizzt met Khelben (or am I remembering that wrong? Its been so many years since I read the books where he sailed with Deudermont). Regardless, Drizzt sailed with capt. Deudermont, who was considered a hero in Waterdeep, so most Waterdeepians would have 'caught wind' of a drow sailing on one of their pirate-hunting warships (because thats not an easy thing to keep secret). So logic dictates that Danillo - being who he is - would go out of his way to meet this 'good drow' the first chance he got (like when Capt. Deudermont made port, which he must have done from time to time).
Yes, Drizzt met Khelben in one of the earlier books.
I'm sure Dan has heard stories of Deudermont and his drow ally, but it doesn't follow that he'd actually meet the captain and his crew. They come from very different walks of life, for one thing, and both have many demands on their time and attention. The captain hunts pirates at sea. Dan is a bard, mage, and Harper who spent most of this time period traveling through the North and to Tethyr on various missions. He also participates in his family business, and is very involved with the wine trade. So while Dan probably heard of Drizzt and is aware of the drow's association with a Waterdeep sea caption, I don't think it's logical to assume that they would meet. Even if Dan sought out the drow, why would Drizzt feel obligated to meet with a curious Waterdeep nobleman? Unless they had business in common, such a meeting strikes me as very unlikely.
We lived in Santa Monica for a year or so. I was aware of many of the actors and other celebrities who lived in town, but I didn't meet many of them and most of these "meetings" were just in passing. Goldie Hawn's son Wyatt was in the same class as my son Andrew, and I brought Andrew to her house to race those little wooden cars Cub Scouts build. Another classmate was O.J. Simpson's daughter Sydney. I saw the Sydney's parents at school functions, but never chatted with either. So it is, I would imagine, in Waterdeep. Nearly everyone would know who Khelben Arunsun is, and many would have caught a glimpse of him, but far fewer have meaningful interactions with him and fewer still actually KNOW him. Just because characters are familiar to you and me, or even because one of both are familiar names to Waterdhavians, it's really not that likely that characters' paths will cross. Waterdeep is a big and busy city.
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Did Drizzt ever meet the Promenade Drow and Qilué Veladorn? Seems to me someone should have been able to introduce them. Maybe Liriel's daddy.
I don't know if Drizzt ever met Qilue, but I'm pretty sure Gromph Baenre would never be in a position to introduce Drizzt to Qilue. For one thing, Gromph is pretty much a prisoner in Menzoberranzan, tethered there by his responsibilities as archmage. For another, HE IS A BAENRE, and by drow law, Drizzt's continued existence is a threat to House Baenre. If Gromph met Drizzt, he would almost certainly do his best to kill him. Also, Gromph would have no reason, and probably no opportunity, to meet Qilue or go to the Promenade Temple in Skullport. Certainly he'd have no reason to facilitate a meeting between Drizzt and Qilue, unless doing so was part of some plot he had going on.
I would think if anyone would introduce Drizzt to Qilue, it would be, well, her Sister Alustriel who is a good friend and the obvious choice.
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CorellonsDevout
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| Yeah, but...now Qilue is...gone, so it doesn't rally matter if Drizzt met her or not. And Enkatnar (sp?), Qilue's lover, I fell in love with him, even though he was a minor character in Starlight and Shadows. |
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Markustay
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Yeah, the 4e team pretty-much massacred the Seven Sisters. I wasn't a big fan of them myself, but I really felt it was a disingenuous way to remove one of the pillars of the setting.
Lets put it this way - there are plenty of things I don't like in FR and D&D. Lets take one of the prime examples - Aboleths. I can't stand them. However, if I were put in charge of an edition of FR, or even just some decision to be rid of them, I would not just snap my fingers and make them go away (which is precisely what happened to the Chosen in the "century of little information"). I would create a very rich and detailed story about their leaving, despite my personal feelings on the matter.
I would NOT just resign them to a footnote in a timeline. 
Of the seven sisters, I found Qilue the most interesting (to be honest, the only interesting one.. except for maybe the Simbul). In the end, they gave her as much coverage as a murdered prostitute, and I find that really disturbing. If a 'grrl power' anthology is ever done, I would love for someone to write a story about Qilue and her last days - we need closure. |
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 08 Oct 2012 : 03:31:36
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| Her last days were written: see Lady Penitent. |
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Kajehase
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Yeah, the 4e team pretty-much massacred the Seven Sisters. I wasn't a big fan of them myself, but I really felt it was a disingenuous way to remove one of the pillars of the setting.
Lets put it this way - there are plenty of things I don't like in FR and D&D. Lets take one of the prime examples - Aboleths. I can't stand them. However, if I were put in charge of an edition of FR, or even just some decision to be rid of them, I would not just snap my fingers and make them go away (which is precisely what happened to the Chosen in the "century of little information"). I would create a very rich and detailed story about their leaving, despite my personal feelings on the matter.
I would NOT just resign them to a footnote in a timeline.
Of the seven sisters, I found Qilue the most interesting (to be honest, the only interesting one.. except for maybe the Simbul). In the end, they gave her as much coverage as a murdered prostitute, and I find that really disturbing. If a 'grrl power' anthology is ever done, I would love for someone to write a story about Qilue and her last days - we need closure.
Um... we did get a novel on that very topic... |
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