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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 07:30:51
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Originally posted by mr.lee
Do you mean the Sid Meyer's Civilization™ from SNES? I didn't like the Civilization from SNES. It was bad, and the graphics were even more so. Civ 3 is better, though I didn't like that either .
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I believe that must have been it. It was the original computer game version, anyway. Okay, so the graphics weren't jaw-dropping. So what?  It didn't need it. Besides, it was released in, what, 1990? Hello? Why're you complaining? (I'm tempted to say "Kids these days" but you might be older than I am.  )
As for the other version, it's somehow not connected with the people who made Civilization I, II, and III. I don't know how that's possible, since it's obviously a Civ game. But I think that one was the best of what I've tried; I could get into the files and change things without having to learn C++ or whatever it's called.  I combined a bunch of changes with recomendations from a user named Celestial Dawn (I couldn't install her hack, so I used some of the changes she mentioned by changing things myself), and added Nordicus' Trade Goods hack (I hated the Civ:CtP trade goods system).
After that time spent (two months of fiddling and play testing, fitted around school), I had the best computer game I'd ever played.  |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 12:35:57
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Originally posted by Cherrn
Hmmmmm...
The entire Zelda series, Chrono Trigger, FF3(6 in some countries), Secret of Mana, and on the PC hmmm Fallout 1 and 2, Baldur's Gate 1, but not 2 and ToB, they just plain stunk, ruined a good idea
Aren't we Mr Negative. Try and recall what the topic was... "Best Fantasy Game Ever" ring a bell. I don't mind a bit of criticism, just as long as you stick to the topic a little.
Hang on a minute, did you say Zelda Sucked!!! *Rolls up sleeves* Time to teach this boy a lesson... |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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Fibura Gauntlet
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 13:51:09
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What the best fantasy game you've ever played and why? Can be pc, board games, etc. I'm not talking about those you've played once, liked it then put it back on the shelf to collect dust. It's the one that you really enjoyed and went back for more helpings.
The 8-bit Spectrum classic from 1985 Dun Darach 
A whole city to explore, map and attempt to escape from. The puzzles were essentially all obscure variations on the pick up Object A and take to Location B, but the sense of achievement at cracking one of the awful punning clues was immense You were free to wander around the city as you couldn't get killed, but if one of the thieves took your money you were in serious trouble 
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 16:05:42
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| Now now Lina yo can harm him later. And in a more classy way *holds her back and before walking her to a chair and pointing down at it* sit Drow Sit |
"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 16:15:52
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| No game can match the baldurs gate games the are and wil alwys be the best roleplaying games. But Baldurs gate 2 was the best of them tough. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 21 Jan 2004 : 05:17:05
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
[quote]Originally posted by mr.lee
But I think that one was the best of what I've tried; I could get into the files and change things without having to learn C++ or whatever it's called.
It's unlikely that you would be able to access the program-code files (especially if they are written in C++  ) without the appropriate software, but if this is the game version I am thinking about, you won't have much difficulty altering the files in the way you wish...
Good gaming...
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2004 : 17:52:56
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However, I've always been partial to the original Civilization and my layman's hack of Civilization: Call to Power. I know those aren't fantasy games, but it's still what I come up with.
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Civilization is one of the best series ever. I wish someone would come up with a way to combine Forgotten Realms and Civilization (I posted something to that effect a long time ago in the Computer Games section).
Several of my favorites have already been mentioned (Xenogears, FF3, Sukoiden 2, etc.). For anybody who loves Zelda, I highly reccomend Alundra, for the original Playstation. Its like Zelda, but with a much better story and insanely difficult puzzles (you WILL reference gamefaqs at least once!). Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and Persona 2 are other games I urge everyone to try. Might and Magic:World of Xeen is the best hack n' slash CRPG I've ever played, but I havn't played many (damn Macintosh and its limited selection!). |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 18:54:41
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I can't believe I Missed this!! Oh well, time for my opinion, many good series are put here but I see one missing. The Great, and Grand Dragon Warrior (Or Dragon Quest depending on where you are in the world) is in my thought, the best fantasy game ever. Twas what started me down the RPG path... and where I learned that You do not go up against a Golden golem (Goldman) with a wooden shield, leather armor and a bamboo pole....
Also worth mention is Dragon Warrior (Dragon Quest) IV (4) for the greatest character ever: Taloon the Arms Merchant ( One of the many PC/NPC characters you can get). If only I could create a D&D character like him. Such great moves in Battle:
Taloon yells=frightens enemy
Taloon wiggles finger in circle= Enemy dizzy
Taloon sings= Enemy put to sleep
Taloon calls for help= Army of Merchants appear out of nowhere and attack enemy
Taloon trips= Critical hit
Taloon throws sand= Enemy blinded
The unbeatable Taloon... Kinda short, overweight, not really dressed to thrill, but best character ever... The good ol' days of the NES... You young punks now days with yer flashy graphics... When 'I' was a boy we had to imagine the action... our characters only had two sprite modes. Both to simulate walking. Yer all spoilt. They don't make games like they used to... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 19:43:35
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Well, if we are talking for PC all I will say is this: Zork. If you don't get it, you never will.
Planescape: Torment and Baldur's Gate 2 (Amn and ToB) all go on top of the list. All superbly made games. But greatest game of all?
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Originally posted by kahonen:
...weekend-long 2e D&D gaming session...
Check and mate.
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Crust
Learned Scribe
USA
273 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 20:12:32
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I'm a huge fan of the Zelda titles, the BG and IWD titles, I loved the Eye of the Beholder games, and the Final Fantasy games (especially 1 and 5 - the stacking levels in 5 were fun). Faxanadu, Wizardry, Shining in the Darkness, Castlevania Symphony of the Night, and Hexen were all classics.
I must say that my first real experience with a deep, open-ended role-playing game was with Ultima 6 back when I was in 8th grade. To this day I don't think I was ever more addicted to a game. It was so huge, and the interaction was so amazing. I don't think it's size and scope were ever duplicated.
However, I prefer the old paper and pencil DMing. That's the best game out there. |
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Ezindir the dark
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 07:50:37
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Originally posted by Cult_Leader
Now now Lina yo can harm him later. And in a more classy way *holds her back and before walking her to a chair and pointing down at it* sit Drow Sit
*meekly peers up at Cult_Leader from the chair* Well I'm sitting but it's not helping those temptations to strangle Cherrn and I'm not a patient Drow. Well, since your closer... *strangles Cult_Leader instead* |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 13:48:36
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Originally posted by Cherrn
Hmmmmm...
The entire Zelda series, Chrono Trigger, FF3(6 in some countries), Secret of Mana, and on the PC hmmm Fallout 1 and 2, Baldur's Gate 1, but not 2 and ToB, they just plain stunk, ruined a good idea
: : Hits Lina with Minor Repulsion before she manages to strangle Cult_Leader to death : :
Pay attention, Lina!
Question; Best Fantasy Game Ever?
Answer:
"The entire Zelda series, Chrono Trigger, FF3(6 in some countries), Secret of Mana, and on the PC hmmm Fallout 1 and 2, Baldur's Gate 1, but not 2 and ToB, they just plain stunk, ruined a good idea"
Cerrn would not dare question the Superiority of Zelda.......... would he now? |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 01:45:43
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Hmmm, interesting... we have another Zelda follower.
Well met EcThelion. *dispells Minor Replusion*
I wasn't really going to strangle one of my slaves followers to death. *tidies up clothing that got disorganised during the fray, pats Cult_Leader on the head and disappears through a portal* |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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Lovok
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 22:33:07
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Hey, was just browsing the net for a topic like this one and want to throw in my opinion. To this date, my favorite fantasy game, hands down, without close competition, is one game. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES). This is as close to my "dream game" as I have ever played. Though I enjoyed elements of Zelda 1 (NES) more than 3, and 1 was incredibly fun along with being the game that got me permanently hooked on games, and Zelda 2 (NES) was awesome for what is was, Zelda 3 just has the whole package: mystery, atmosphere, adventure, exploration, action, story, a universe of characters and locales, music, and more. It is not my dream game, but it is darn close. The only game that has ever come close to the atmosphere of Zelda 3 that I've played is Dungeon Siege. Though Dungeon Siege suffered from staggered gameplay, repetitiveness, lack of mystery when the game engine begged for it, and a lack of story, the graphics and music created an atmosphere that was surreal.
What I am looking for (I will most likely have to make it myself at the rate of junky games releasing these days) is the next logical step of game design after A Link to the Past. Take the game, and make it better. Give it a more mysterious story, add many more characters that have use in a sprawling, mysterious, and very interactive world. Orchestrated music combined with what I like to call, "ethereal" music (an example would be a female soloist with an emotional voice singing to nature-like sounds [wind, rain, thunder] with a harp, flute, etc [those type of instruments]) is necessary. Great graphics would be important in bringing the world to life. I'd prefer attention to detail than another "random shiny object" you see in lots of newer games. Also, this game would have to be a PC game. No offense to anyone, but consoles are dead. They can't go any further than they already are without becoming a computer itself.
Anyway, enough of my rant, heh, I do have a question. To those of you who love the first 3 Zelda games as much as I do (I honestly dont care for any after the first 3; they are fun the first time through but I never play them again...they're also becomming far too childish), what would you recommend as something comparable on the PC? I havent played D&D or any of the spinoffs, and I hate...read hate, the standard Final Fantasy type RPG (basically don't even suggest a turn-based game). Nice forum you guys have here, I'll be sure to pop in now and then. Thanks! |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 22:54:52
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So basically all D&D games are out, then.
What are you even doing here? |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Lovok
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 23:10:43
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| First of all, read the name of this topic. I wasn't aware that D&D had a monopoly on the word 'Fantasy'. I very much dislike turn-based games, that is just my perogative. I'm not telling you that you can't like them. I am here to interact with people who are supposed to be talking about the 'Best Fantasy Game Ever.' If this isn't what this topic is truly about and it was named inappropiately and should read 'Best D&D-based game ever' then I'll be glad to leave and never return, but my original post is not at fault because the title of this topic was mis-labeled. |
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Lord Nasher Alagondar
Acolyte
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 23:19:03
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| No, it isn't all about D&D, or else they wouldn't be talking about Zelda. Pay no attention to Ec'Thelion over there.... |
"Very well, I am admittedly not as traditional in my methodology as you are. So what? The end result is all the same: target ceases to exist. If I happen to use a bit more flair, and a little less stealth to go about it, so be it. If drow were truly meant to skulk within the shadows, we'd not have stark white hair, now would we? Long gone are my days of creeping in the shadows and hiding in wait. Those means are for beings of a cowardly bent. We Bladesingers are risen above such dribble. So saying, it is boldly into the fray I shall go; if I should come to meet my maker, I will at least have done so with a sense of pride and dignity that your ilk will never truly understand. Now go back to hiding in your dark recesses, pathetic mewling...."~Vesz'aun Auvryath |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 00:14:15
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Well. I was, kinda, referring to the Site in whole, not the exact topic.  |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Lovok
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 01:58:10
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| If you had read my topic in its entirety, you would have noticed that I specifically said that I "was just browsing the net for a topic like this one and want to throw in my opinion." That kind of implies that I was using a search engine. I haven't even been to the site, I just came directly to this topic. |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 16:58:00
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| Lovok, check out Alundra for the Playstation. Its exactly what you're looking for. |
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Lovok
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 21:38:30
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| Heh, I'd love to if I had a Playstation, but the newest console I have is the Super Nintendo, lol! I used to own the N64, but I sold it on EBay quite some time ago. I'll keep it in mind if I visit a friend's house with a PS, thx. I'm really looking for PC games though. :) |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2004 : 17:53:26
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| Its worth the expense of a used Playstation if you can find a copy of Alundra. There might be an adaptor you can use, but I have an old Macintosh so I generally pay very little attention to whats available for computers. |
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Valdar Oakensong
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
159 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2004 : 18:36:33
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i'm with you mate. Zelda is the daddy
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have you played Zelda then? because, I can't possibly see anyone playing Zelda not ranking it 1st
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 09:12:33
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What's this... MORE ZELDA FANS!!!
If you like Zelda and have a PS2, you should try Dark Chronicle. It's similar to Zelda, well the fishing is anyway. |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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Ius
Seeker
Sweden
63 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 15:51:26
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Zelda was pretty good in its day, but what I really liked was those old atari/amiga RPGs like Dungeon Master, Drakkhen, Blood Wych and Bards Tale.
If we are not talking aincent history i would have to say the that the concept introduced with BG1 blew away the competition when it came.
Non computer roleplayinggames that I had my best experiences with is MERP and a swedish rpg called "Drakar och Demoner" (wich was a game with rule influences from RuneQuest) + of course ADD1+2+3, one campaign especially that was based in the 2nd ed "Bloodstone lands" gray campaign box.
A module that i loved was "Drow of the Underdark" wich i think kicks several shades of ink out of the new "underdark" book. Those Ghanadaur priests were really mystical and powerful.
By the way... why is ghanadaur a major drow diety in 2nd ed and a lesser in 3rd? At the same time I think Lolth was a minor diety in 2nd (DOTU) and a major in 3rd? |
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Ezindir the dark
Senior Scribe
Norway
603 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 16:00:09
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I'l just have too say that Rollercoster Tycoon was my favorite game before I became 10 when I first tried Dungeon Keeper 1, Awwwww. But then I tried IwD1 and then it was done.
But still Dungeon Keeper 1 rocks. |
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 17:56:52
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BG1 ownz IwD1, any day!!!
Allow me to quote soem atrange guy, that I have no connection to whatsoever.
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j0, d00d. BG1 is 1337! BG1 r0x j00, R0Lf!!1
And that just about sais it all!
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If you like Zelda and have a PS2, you should try Dark Chronicle. It's similar to Zelda, well the fishing is anyway.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeel... barely. Zelda still ownz it, though
I guess it was pretty good, but it gave a "I've seen this before, just better"-kinda feel too it... |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 16:50:11
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*Crack his knuckles nd such has had no fun in being womanhandled even by The Lina. Zaps her with demonic like powers and chains her to a wall. With nice red glowing shakles, Mummbles then and continues to play Mario RPG for the SNES*
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"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
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EcThelion
Learned Scribe
Norway
323 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2004 : 12:13:51
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| Mario is lame |
Ec'Thelion, formerly known as Forgotten One, now known as Ec'Thelion the Overpowered.
Currently not all that active. I'm preoccupied with Warcraft III for the moment. Bite me :P |
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