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The Sage
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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 Posted - 15 Oct 2013 : 14:06:31
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WOW... 
Talk about serendipitous.
Unless Ed reads this thread, and has a sly sense of humor. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 29 Oct 2013 : 13:50:53
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Great article - one of my new favorites.
I like the 'slow game' concept. Lately I have been toying with the idea of an FR Illuminati-like organization, thats sits 'above and beyond' even the powerful secret organizations we know of. This article hints that such may actually exist.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 30 Oct 2013 : 02:33:42
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My internet connection seems to be working properly again... I hope.
So, for that reason partly, and to undermine the Furry Hamster's effort to usurp my position as Candlekeep's Official Poster of Links to Ed Greenwood's "Forging the Realms" Series of Articles at Wizards of the Coast, I present the latest addition:- Flask of Dreams.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 30 Oct 2013 : 03:09:15
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Originally posted by The Sage
My internet connection seems to be working properly again... I hope.
So, for that reason partly, and to undermine the Furry Hamster's effort to usurp my position as Candlekeep's Official Poster of Links to Ed Greenwood's "Forging the Realms" Series of Articles at Wizards of the Coast, I present the latest addition:- Flask of Dreams.
Silly Sage. If you weren't so busy living up to your actual Candlekeep title, you would have beat me to the post! 
Or are you going to continue to blame SageNet? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Nov 2013 : 07:17:32
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Sage beat me to it!
I'll add that for those of you who have a copy of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting, you will find the "Trade Routes and Resources" map on pages 88-89 of that tome becomes all the more useful after reading this latest of Ed's Forging the Realms articles. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 05 Nov 2013 : 21:00:08
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If you switch the names around... Morg Thaelon? 
Nah... couldn't be. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Nov 2013 : 21:07:57
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I like the article, but it was a bit sloppy, on the part of the WotC web folks, to have included the last bit from the last article as part of this one.  |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Nov 2013 : 05:55:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I like the article, but it was a bit sloppy, on the part of the WotC web folks, to have included the last bit from the last article as part of this one.
Good catch.
This made me wonder if they don't have a cut and paste style template where they copy Ed's latest article text into a form and then hit publish.
Though, after thinking about it, I wondered if Ed didn't unintentionally use the same last sentence twice without realizing it (assuming he wrote the last two articles one after the other). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 06 Nov 2013 : 11:04:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I like the article, but it was a bit sloppy, on the part of the WotC web folks, to have included the last bit from the last article as part of this one.
Good catch.
This made me wonder if they don't have a cut and paste style template where they copy Ed's latest article text into a form and then hit publish.
Though, after thinking about it, I wondered if Ed didn't unintentionally use the same last sentence twice without realizing it (assuming he wrote the last two articles one after the other).
When I read the article, I thought the last bit was a bit jarring, and rather similar to the previous entry -- then I went back and saw they were the same. I really don't think it fits, and the fact that the wording is identical is why I think it was a screwup on the part of the web folks. |
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Wooly Rupert
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arry
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 13:32:54
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 13:38:26
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The ambiguous 5e 'no time' period.
At least, that would be my guess. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 20:33:56
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That's about right, Markus. The time period is unreliable. ;)
For those that really want to know, often you can infer the earliest date that the article applies to by noting the dates given for events that happened in the past that are also mentioned in the article.
For me, unless an article clearly points out the date, I assume it's 1479 DR or later. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 13 Nov 2013 : 02:22:52
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In a blatant disregard for Wooly's earlier efforts , I present Ed's latest "Forging the Realms" article:- Lord of the Sewers.
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I really do like the concept of fungi-farms in an RPG setting. And I'm kind of surprised that I haven't explored this previously in my Realms... especially since the myconids regularly rank among my favourite monstrous-types. Well, Ed's changed that!  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 13 Nov 2013 : 14:01:07
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You guys need to stop this - the gremlins are going to get out again if you two stay distracted.
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
For me, unless an article clearly points out the date, I assume it's 1479 DR or later.
And here I assume that the 'real' (unofficial) date is that of Ed's Realms, which would be just prior to 1e, somewhere in the early 1350's. I always figured he wrote everything from that perspective (unless specifically tasked to do otherwise).
Anyhow, there you go - thats the benefit of ambiguity: each of us can imagine it being in whatever time we prefer. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Nov 2013 : 15:25:23
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Originally posted by Markustay
You guys need to stop this - the gremlins are going to get out again if you two stay distracted.
Sage is the Keeper of the Gremlins.
I'm the Keeper of the Calishite Dancing Girls.
Guess which one of us has more fun at our duties? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Nov 2013 : 02:18:05
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*The Sage hazards to note that Wooly's most recently reply actually worked into something very different in his mind...
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... particularly, the second line reading "I'm the Keeper of the Calishite Dancing Gremlins."*
In which case, he can have all the fun he wishes for... |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 19 Nov 2013 : 08:48:40
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Wow, that was a great read.
I hope we get more like that for other deities, both good and evil. |
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hashimashadoo
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Nov 2013 : 16:18:30
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| Though I wonder which was the typo 'in 1358 DR' or 'with the Spellplague about to erupt'. Considering later dates given in the article it could be a confusion between the Spellplague and the Era of Upheaval. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 19 Nov 2013 : 16:51:37
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| I think it's pretty straightforward in that Tymora appears to have foreseen the Spellplague and taken steps to avert disaster vis-a-visher clergy and worshipers, with the later dates referring to the outcomes of those efforts. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Nov 2013 : 19:17:14
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...Or at least that something bad was coming; perhaps nothing specific.
Which once more begs the question of how it could have happened, with mortals and deities knowing something was up... |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 : 03:48:58
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The extent of the mortal knowledge seems to be that they were inspired through divine guidance to take action, without having any real knowledge of the Spellplague.
As for divine senses, I don't see it as being purely linear. Even if it is, it would seem Tymora was in no position to do anything about it or perhaps preferred not to. |
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Demzer
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 : 09:32:54
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Even if it is, it would seem Tymora was in no position to do anything about it or perhaps preferred not to.
Nonsense!
She could've blessed Mystra beforehand:
Cyric: "I use Evil Plot Hammer of Doom against Mystra"
Ao: "Ok. Mystra, roll a fortitude save against DC 999"
Mystra: "Wha??"
Tymora whispers somethings in Ao's hear
Ao: "Ok, no need. Natural 20! Mystra, you save!"
Mystra: "AH! Now it's my turn SUCKER!"
Cyric: "What the f---???!?"
Shar: "Uhm ... yes, I ... go somewhere in the Astral searching for the shadevari, yeah, i do that, cya Cyric" |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 : 13:21:46
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quote:
Originally posted by hashimashadoo
Though I wonder which was the typo 'in 1358 DR' or 'with the Spellplague about to erupt'. Considering later dates given in the article it could be a confusion between the Spellplague and the Era of Upheaval.
I haven't read the article - I've fallen behind with them (real busy RW).
However, from what I've gathered from the 5e discussions, 'The Sundering' has been an on-going event, from the time of the ToT to a few after the 4e 1479DR start date (at the very least - it could have had its roots MUCH further back, and continue significantly forward). That means both the ToT and the Sellplague were just events within a greater, on-going event, and I think when Ed references stuff in that manner, he's probably talking about the greater overall event, but simply couching it in terns we are more likely to recognize.
So, in other words, just because we knew about the Spellplage as something that occurred between the death of Mystra (which one?  ) and some time at the beginning of 4e, we don't have an exact start date for the greater event, and since the ToT seems to be the triggering event for the Spellplague itself, then I don't really see the earlier dates being applied to the Spellplague term a big problem. Think of 1358 DR as the 'prologue' to the rest of the story... a story which hasn't been finished yet.
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Seriously - just how different was the ToT and the first death of Mystra from the second death of Mystra? The magical chaos seems about the same, it's just that it lasted longer (so the degradation got SO mush worse), and the powers that may have still been 'holding it all together' (Ao, Helm, the Chosen, maybe even Lurue, etc) during the ToT couldn't after her 'second death' (for whatever reason - that story still remains unfinished as well).
Like I said, I am starting to see the whole enchilada - 1e/2e/3e and on into 4e as one, big, RSE that has been 'many milenia in the making'. 'Spellplague' is like 'magical chaos' - its just a mortal term for the havoc caused by these cosmological events. The published Realms was just us getting a zoomed-in view of a small slice of Torillian history - we need to step back and see the bigger picture, me thinks. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 Nov 2013 : 16:39:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
EDIT:
Seriously - just how different was the ToT and the first death of Mystra from the second death of Mystra? The magical chaos seems about the same, it's just that it lasted longer (so the degradation got SO mush worse), and the powers that may have still been 'holding it all together' (Ao, Helm, the Chosen, maybe even Lurue, etc) during the ToT couldn't after her 'second death' (for whatever reason - that story still remains unfinished as well).
Well, we didn't get planar rearrangement and continental swaps during the Time of Troubles. Halruaa didn't blow up during the ToT, mages didn't go crazy, people didn't develop spellscars... Etc. The scope of changes caused by the Spellplague far exceeded the scope of changes caused by the ToT, by orders of magnitude.
It's like comparing that meteor that hit Russia last year to the one that hit Krynn and caused the Cataclysm, though I'd argue that the scope of the difference with the ToT and the Spellplague still exceeds that.
All that said, this really isn't the best thread for that discussion, and I'm wishing I'd held my tongue -- I didn't mean to initiate a tangent, and I'm trying to avoid debating the Spellplague. I know this isn't a debate; just saying that of late, I find it better to keep quiet, as opposed to getting into another debate. |
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Forging the Forgotten Realms - by Ed Greenwood
