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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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 Posted - 05 Nov 2012 : 16:03:10
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Originally posted by Markustay
(in fact, I wrote a HB piece saying her name was originally Aurilana, sister of Titania). We never did know the QoA&D real name.
Hmmm, looking at Dragon #376, it lists an Archfey named Aurilandur the Frost Sprite Queen. The author was Brian R. James. Makes me question again, where is the Queen of Air and Darkness and Auril linked? I'm trying to read through the article that I literally just found right now to see if it shows something.
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Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Razz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Nov 2012 : 17:46:09
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| I'll have to wait to get home to debate a little about the inconsistency of eladrin lore, but I do need to ask if any Realms product has officially mentioned Cegilune having any presence in the Realms? Or do pious hags have another being they revere/fear? |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Nov 2012 : 20:47:33
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In one adventure I played years ago there were snow elven ruins. In short Auril was the most powerful deity during Toril's last ice age (around -38 000 DR). There was a rebellion against her led by the snow elf god from Dragon 236 (or 251?) and Hleid (uldra from Frostburn).
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Markustay
(in fact, I wrote a HB piece saying her name was originally Aurilana, sister of Titania). We never did know the QoA&D real name.
Hmmm, looking at Dragon #376, it lists an Archfey named Aurilandur the Frost Sprite Queen. The author was Brian R. James. Makes me question again, where is the Queen of Air and Darkness and Auril linked? I'm trying to read through the article that I literally just found right now to see if it shows something.
In this article http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/dragon/367/367_realmslore.pdf
Cegilune I don't think she was ever in any FR book. She warred against that lich god, there could be a link with Velsharoon. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11827 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2012 : 16:55:54
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Originally posted by Quale
In one adventure I played years ago there were snow elven ruins. In short Auril was the most powerful deity during Toril's last ice age (around -38 000 DR). There was a rebellion against her led by the snow elf god from Dragon 236 (or 251?) and Hleid (uldra from Frostburn).
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Markustay
(in fact, I wrote a HB piece saying her name was originally Aurilana, sister of Titania). We never did know the QoA&D real name.
Hmmm, looking at Dragon #376, it lists an Archfey named Aurilandur the Frost Sprite Queen. The author was Brian R. James. Makes me question again, where is the Queen of Air and Darkness and Auril linked? I'm trying to read through the article that I literally just found right now to see if it shows something.
In this article http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/dragon/367/367_realmslore.pdf
Cegilune I don't think she was ever in any FR book. She warred against that lich god, there could be a link with Velsharoon.
Ah, thank you. That clears that up then. So officially its Auril and not Shar. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 07 Nov 2012 : 17:47:16
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You could always say Cegilune is Shar (for your own campaigns), but I prefer Cegilune as a separate entity as well.
I was reading that article (again) that Quale linked, and it shoe-horns perfectly with some of my own ideas about the connections between the Fey and Elves (Eladrin).
My own theory was that ALL the Creator races were immortal before the Godwar, during which 'death' was born. Once the concept of death was created, all beings born of less then deity status became mortal. Ergo, when the fey fled Abeir-Toril for the Feywild they were all immortal, but their children - the Elves/Eladrin - were mortal. Because of the quirks with time in the Feywild, a planer Eladrin/Elf could still live for thousands of years, but would eventually die. Ones born on the Prime Material would perish much sooner. One can assume that the Eladrin bloodlines have a stronger connection to their fey heritage, and this is why they live longer then the common elves (perhaps they are older, more directly related bloodlines).
This means True Fey (the LeShay) are no longer born - every time one of them dies it is considered a tragedy by the people. This is why you will never see the very evil fey and the 'goodly' fey directly fight each other - even when they hate each other they won't kill each other. And by 'Fey' I mean the Creator race, not 'fey', as in all those Sylvan races that fall under that umbrella term. Thats why I prefer to use 'Shee'(Sidhe, Sith) for them, to avoid that confusion. The LeShay just happen to be the best known archfey (and ALL true Fey should be archfey by now).
So Eladrin are/were the direct descendents of the fey that were born in the Feywild, and the Elves are the children that are/were born in the Prime Material. This ties into the fey 'dwindling' - with each generation removed from the original they are 'lessened'. This is similar to how vampiric bloodlines work - the closer you are related to the original, the stronger you are. This also helps me explain some of the elven hubris; although a good deal of it is a feeling of superiority, there is a real need to keep bloodlines pure, and not be 'diluted' by humans or even lesser elven bloodlines. Age is a very important thing in Elven society - it garners much respect and even awe. Families that are shorter-lived would not gain the same level of respect as those who live 1000+ years. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11827 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2012 : 19:00:56
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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
quote:
Originally posted by Quale
In one adventure I played years ago there were snow elven ruins. In short Auril was the most powerful deity during Toril's last ice age (around -38 000 DR). There was a rebellion against her led by the snow elf god from Dragon 236 (or 251?) and Hleid (uldra from Frostburn).
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Originally posted by sleyvas
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
(in fact, I wrote a HB piece saying her name was originally Aurilana, sister of Titania). We never did know the QoA&D real name.
Hmmm, looking at Dragon #376, it lists an Archfey named Aurilandur the Frost Sprite Queen. The author was Brian R. James. Makes me question again, where is the Queen of Air and Darkness and Auril linked? I'm trying to read through the article that I literally just found right now to see if it shows something.
In this article http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/dragon/367/367_realmslore.pdf
Cegilune I don't think she was ever in any FR book. She warred against that lich god, there could be a link with Velsharoon.
Ah, thank you. That clears that up then. So officially its Auril and not Shar.
I have to say, reading that article did re-affirm something that I actually do like from 4th edition. In general, I do like what they did with the feywild concept and fleshing it out. I probably would like what they did with the shadowfell if I read more of it. I do like that other planes are finite in size. I do like the idea of the elemental chaos. I don't like that the abyss is in the elemental chaos though, but it is something I could live with. So, from a planar perspective, I think for the most part I like the 4e realms (not that things can't always be improved upon).
I also have to say that the article revealed something to me that I hadn't noticed (or maybe had noticed and forgot). Talos was Gruumsh... uncovered in some "stormstar requiem"... and now Auril has taken his storm portfolios. I would have preferred a more simple explanation.... that maybe Talos was killed, maybe even by an opportunistic Auril during the "raid on Arvandor". That's the part of 4E I didn't like was the whole "and this god was really X and noone knew". Well, that and what happened to Thay/Mulhorand/Unther/Chessenta/Halruaa/Nimbral/Lantan, etc... |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Razz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Nov 2012 : 22:18:20
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| Never did care for Talos being Gruumsh. That makes no sense at all to me. Just because they have an eyepatch that doesn't mean there's a connection. Gruumsh should be the most powerful deity in the Realms if he has access to that many portfolios and from two of the most numerous races in the Realms. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 07 Nov 2012 : 22:22:36
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Yup.
Feywild and even the Shadowfel = awesome. They are improvements of multiple older concepts.
Those are excellent examples of really good 4e material that deserve to be part of the D&D/FR IP. If anything, the concept of adventuring "just across the veil" (in other dimensions) should be continued and built upon - it is the perfect foundation for D&D itself. That way, EVERY world becomes a D&D setting. |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Nov 2012 : 23:12:06
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 08 Nov 2012 : 04:12:43
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Originally posted by Razz
I read on Cegilune, where does it mention anything about her and Bane?
No, Mellifleur got his power from Bane (and other deities from other crystal spheres). Wasn't I talking about that in another thread though? |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Nov 2012 : 12:03:22
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Originally posted by Razz
Gruumsh should be the most powerful deity in the Realms
I am perfectly ok with this. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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15724 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2012 : 16:32:36
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Originally posted by Razz
I read on Cegilune, where does it mention anything about her and Bane?
If anything, Bane may have gotten some of his power from her.
Or rather, knowledge of how to obtain godhood (Knowledge is power).
We know Myrkul got his start in the east (he was a prince of Murghôm), and Bhaal's most powerful temple was the Fortress of the Old Man - Sentinelspire - also in the Taan. There is a theory that Bane was a half-orc, so it would make sense if he was created (procreated?) at some point when the Orcish Pantheon first arrived on Toril, during the Orcgate wars and also in that same general vicinity. In other words, Bane himself may have been Gruumsh's version of Iyachtu Xvim (making Gruumsh Xvim's grandpa). Bane may have even been some sort of attempt by Gruumsh to create Greater manifestations (mortal avatars) of his own, in order to confront the Mulan pantheon using similar tactics.
Now you add this to the fact that Gruumsh 'may' be Fey (if he is indeed Corellon's brother), and that the Fey were highly active in the east, it kinda all fits together.
LOL... Bane a closet half-elf. 
Anyhow, that cycles us back to the Fey, and Cegilune, so there could be some sort of primordial connection there (through Gruumsh and Cegilune, who may be related). |
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