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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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 Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 05:52:05
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Maybe the sub-forum should be re-opened ...?
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see
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 09:37:36
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Originally posted by Markustay
We have halflings - the Tolkien estate did not sue Gygax.
Actually, hobbits, ents, and balrogs were all referred to in the original three booklets -- and then the Tolkien estate's lawyers wrote TSR a letter. Since then, we've had halflings, treants, and balors. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 15:21:46
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Maybe the sub-forum should be re-opened ...?
-- George Krashos
If you mean the shelf set aside for specific Compendium chatter, then I'll note that it's always open. But only to those who have been included as contributors to the work.
It might be worth admitting Sightless to the list of potential contributors so he can also engage with other scribes about their own works, and see how the relationship between contributor, submitted work, and Candlekeep, is managed. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 17:09:32
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Originally posted by see
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Originally posted by Markustay
We have halflings - the Tolkien estate did not sue Gygax.
Actually, hobbits, ents, and balrogs were all referred to in the original three booklets -- and then the Tolkien estate's lawyers wrote TSR a letter. Since then, we've had halflings, treants, and balors.
Right. You just proved my point.
They asked them to stop, and TSR did. Gygax & Co. never got sued for it; it was all very professional and no harm came of it. This is what I am picturing the worst-case scenario being for the CKC.
I actually think that the format of the CKC's helps us. If anything, the Northern Journey project can be construed as 'competition'. Gamers might think "I don't need to buy a sourcebook on those regions because I can download a free one". We don't do that - we do not try to replace sourcebooks with a regional format - we try to enhance many varied bits of existing lore with more layers. You still need the original, official material to understand the stuff we write. At no time should we ever try to create something that would alleviate consumers from having to buy an official product. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 18:08:00
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I have just finished all of the things I need to do to advance my Star Drive Campaign to Progress Level 8, so I am in need of a new project.
Other than converting all the marvel universe to FASERIP.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 02:15:39
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Originally posted by Mournblade
I have just finished all of the things I need to do to advance my Star Drive Campaign to Progress Level 8, so I am in need of a new project.
Oh, Mournblade, you should know by now that you can't just drop a reference to your Star*Drive campaign without piquing my interest.  |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 02:47:11
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Originally posted by Sqwegle
Edit to add: Of these systems OSRIC is pretty much AD&D and has been around the longest. You can download the free PDF or buy a hardcover.
(looks) It's pretty much AD&D1 with Greyhawk NPC names filed off. But with all the old lulz - even "alignment languages" and segments time quantization.  |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 04:22:21
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Originally posted by Andrekan
Well perhaps the best topic would deal with is Candlekeep and how the Lore Masters have dealt with the dark age of Spellplague. What has become of all those wonderful books that were ravage by the Plague or were they. How might Oghma have preserved Spells and Knowledge until the time was right for the return of Magic as it was or will it. Sure there are new ways of casting spells and how new borns handle magic but many old magical spells are still useful as ever, at least now. Though they may have changed in little ways as they spread out with activation. After a hundred years or so many will have forgotten how to use many of these spells, yet I am almost certain that the knowledge has been preserved along the salty ocean blasted Sword Coast.
What is life in a day like around Candlekeep?
Where does the food come from?
What are the connections of commerce and intrigue?
What tales might the Lore Masters have preserved about preserving the Art of Magic Use. At least until a Herald delivers them from the Darkness that has fallen upon the Realms as far as Magic Use is concerned.
Perhaps I am way far ahead of the conversation, but does anyone remember how to cast an "Iron Guard". There must be some Spell Tomes around here somewhere on the subject of preservation of Spells and the Diversity of Casting before and after the Plague. Many long lived Magic Users who suffered and survived the Spell Plague are finding their old reliable abilities returning and I am certain they will be heading over to Candlekeep, if able. Bothering the Gatekeeper with 1000gpv Books to gain entry in hopes of finding those spells they can't find or seem to remember how to cast. What has the Keeper of Tomes and the First Reader been up to for one hundred years?
Oh well just some ideas bouncing in my Realms mind. To the 9 Hells with all the $$$ I'm here for Lore, to assist, and aid others with Lore of the Realms. I have endured the Plague and Silence long though I know adventures are still thriving. Players and Monsters are still dying. There remains no experience cap when it comes to lore. Half of it could be non-sense and half-truth. Either way it is our Realms we are talking about.  
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Originally posted by Andrekan
Well perhaps the best topic would deal with is Candlekeep and how the Lore Masters have dealt with the dark age of Spellplague. What has become of all those wonderful books that were ravage by the Plague or were they. How might Oghma have preserved Spells and Knowledge until the time was right for the return of Magic as it was or will it. Sure there are new ways of casting spells and how new borns handle magic but many old magical spells are still useful as ever, at least now. Though they may have changed in little ways as they spread out with activation. After a hundred years or so many will have forgotten how to use many of these spells, yet I am almost certain that the knowledge has been preserved along the salty ocean blasted Sword Coast.
What is life in a day like around Candlekeep?
Where does the food come from?
What are the connections of commerce and intrigue?
What tales might the Lore Masters have preserved about preserving the Art of Magic Use. At least until a Herald delivers them from the Darkness that has fallen upon the Realms as far as Magic Use is concerned.
Perhaps I am way far ahead of the conversation, but does anyone remember how to cast an "Iron Guard". There must be some Spell Tomes around here somewhere on the subject of preservation of Spells and the Diversity of Casting before and after the Plague. Many long lived Magic Users who suffered and survived the Spell Plague are finding their old reliable abilities returning and I am certain they will be heading over to Candlekeep, if able. Bothering the Gatekeeper with 1000gpv Books to gain entry in hopes of finding those spells they can't find or seem to remember how to cast. What has the Keeper of Tomes and the First Reader been up to for one hundred years?
Oh well just some ideas bouncing in my Realms mind. To the 9 Hells with all the $$$ I'm here for Lore, to assist, and aid others with Lore of the Realms. I have endured the Plague and Silence long though I know adventures are still thriving. Players and Monsters are still dying. There remains no experience cap when it comes to lore. Half of it could be non-sense and half-truth. Either way it is our Realms we are talking about.
This is project number 4 on my work list. Project number 3 is the Kingdom of Many arrows, project number 2, is the history of Baffenburg, and project number 1 is a magical supplement, that is designed to combine elements of Ad&D and 3rd edition, among other things. This is the article of which I posted of earlier. I have finished my alternative supplement on the magic of the Netherese and how a segment of that power survived. Naturally, I’ve tried to make my suggestions for second and third editions, as those are the systems I know, or at last have a passing aquantence with. Fourth edition, not so much.
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 04:31:23
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by The Sage
Rather than take up otherwise useful space in other scrolls, I thought it would be more appropriate to tackle this discussion in it's own scroll.
So, most folk at Candlekeep are aware of the present lacking of the Candlekeep Compendium and the reasons for why we have yet to move forward.
Markus raised an interesting point in Brian's scroll that's got me thinking:-
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Originally posted by Markustay
Or it could just continue as-is, here, which I'd prefer, but then I think some sort of accord with WotC needs to be reached. Personally, I just don't see the need for it, but obviously others here do.
There's a part of me that really doesn't see the need for it either, but I guess we just see it as an issue of respect for Wizards.
Perhaps, what we really should attempt here, is to publicly announce a resumption of the producing the Compendium here at Candlekeep -- garner interest and proposals [though, no full submissions just yet], and a general "call-to-lore-arms" so to speak, simply to put the word out, and see what reaction, if any, comes from Wizards Legal Folk.
If it's all quiet on that front, then perhaps we could discuss what the next stage of production for the Compendium should be.
What say you all?
I appreciate Big Al and how busy he is.....I just am hopeful he is aware of how close this issue is to a tipping point.....maybe one of no return, if this endeavor is indeed pursued elsewhere. I would never presume to pressure or hurry him along....but this issue is starting to grow exponentially.
Parden my frankness, but who is "Big Al?
And usually, a notice of discontent is considered the first step in situation such as this board, stating the organizations complaint and possible actions that are inticipated. In the majority of cases this comes before the initial suit. Many judges considered it mandatory, but that's more based on Precedence , than anything else. Since the subject is being discussed, I thought I'd mention this, as I am a mediator. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36971 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 04:51:17
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Originally posted by Sightless
Parden my frankness, but who is "Big Al?
Alaundo, the owner of this site. I dubbed him "Big Al" a few years ago, and it's kinda stuck.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 05:09:54
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Originally posted by Sightless
Parden my frankness, but who is "Big Al?
It's a clever little reference I came up with for Alaundo, the site Administrator, when he once made a reference to an Atlas BattleMech from the BATTLETECH Tabletop Game. I just started calling him "Big Al" from that point on. Hehe.
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4258 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 23:46:00
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The Old Grey Box and AD&D for me! |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 03:05:58
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Sightless
Parden my frankness, but who is "Big Al?
It's a clever little reference I came up with for Alaundo, the site Administrator, when he once made a reference to an Atlas BattleMech from the BATTLETECH Tabletop Game. I just started calling him "Big Al" from that point on. Hehe.
And I'll further clarify that the fact, traditionally, when an Atlas has been seen in a video of the various BATTLETECH computer games [particularly, MechWarrior 3], they've been referred to al "Big Al." Which is why I came to regard Alaundo as such. Not really sure why it happened. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 03:32:13
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Sightless
Parden my frankness, but who is "Big Al?
It's a clever little reference I came up with for Alaundo, the site Administrator, when he once made a reference to an Atlas BattleMech from the BATTLETECH Tabletop Game. I just started calling him "Big Al" from that point on. Hehe.
And I'll further clarify that the fact, traditionally, when an Atlas has been seen in a video of the various BATTLETECH computer games [particularly, MechWarrior 3], they've been referred to al "Big Al." Which is why I came to regard Alaundo as such. Not really sure why it happened.
I thought Lady K coined that term for him? ? |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
181 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2012 : 06:03:10
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Hmm sorry for necro-ing this thread. Behold, the Red Wizards have returned =P! But I am very keen to contribute whatever little I can to this project! So has a link been set up or are we still waiting for the Atlas combat drop?
@Sage
Interesting. I've played all the mechwarrior games from mechwarriors 2 merc on up, read nearly all the novels and a couple of sourcebooks too, but I've never heard an Atlas being referred to as big al. Any links ^_^? I play a bit too but its on that online megamek platform. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2012 : 06:07:42
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Originally posted by Aes Tryl
Hmm sorry for necro-ing this thread. Behold, the Red Wizards have returned =P! But I am very keen to contribute whatever little I can to this project! So has a link been set up or are we still waiting for the Atlas combat drop?
@Sage
Interesting. I've played all the mechwarrior games from mechwarriors 2 merc on up, read nearly all the novels and a couple of sourcebooks too, but I've never heard an Atlas being referred to as big al. Any links ^_^? I play a bit too but its on that online megamek platform.
It's not an official canonised term or anything. It's largely just an online community thing that I've seen in discussions or in commentary for YouTube videos of the classic introductions for the MW computer games. |
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Sep 2012 : 10:47:56
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| Ah alright haha. Thanks for the tidbit. So is this project on or is everyone still waiting for the go ahead? |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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LastStand
Learned Scribe
130 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2012 : 23:20:06
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| I would like to add a contribution - if I manage to come up with something worth contributing - when the project is given the go-ahead. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 18:01:45
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Once you've stepped on a land mine, you can't un-step on it.
Surely there's someone at WotC that a moderator or owner of Candlekeep can send a courtesy e-mail to?
I learned in the Navy long ago...
If your unsure if the plan will be approved:
It is better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. If you ask permission and the answer is NO, your up the creek.
If they don't find out until after it is done...
all is good. We can email copies to each other.
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 18:16:29
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Those projects that I am working on that I intend to submit as articles for this site have the following includeed in their prologue sections:
"This is not to be considered in anyway an action taken against TSR, WOTC, or the various authors, and consultants employed their to. All references to any previous material held by said individuals is strictly sited and used under the aegis of the Fair Use Clause and are neither intended for the purposes of generating profit or revenue for the Author. However, if any concerns or discontent exists on the part of said individuals, or agency, this work will be immediately removed upon contact, as discussed in the federally mandated laws of possible intellectual property claims.
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The presence of this is significant for several factors, it is the basis of this that allows so many fan fictions to be distrubuted across the web with relative impunity. It is not that WOTC is entirely uninterested in going after said individuals, legally speaking in the case of literaly works so long as the individual is not obtaining profit from the work under this clause they are free to some creative licenceing. The issue comes partially into play when the presence of a work in it's entirety would circomvent the sale of a perfectly natural good, such as the posting of an entire source book online, etc. However, given the wording of this clause, one could treate information within a WOTC or TRS gamebook the same as they would in a journal, textbook, etc, and quote sections, as long as the attribution of where the information is obtained from is clearly indicated, and so long as no profit is made from the work in anyway. WOTC may still contact this site and aske for the work in question and have it be removed, but this is highly unlikely, but in which case the author of said work can be contacted and informed why the work is being removed. Hopefully this is very clear and distinct. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 19:15:34
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Originally posted by Matt James
CK is waiting on word from Big Al due to legal concerns. If you want to contribute to the sister project... <snip>
And here I thought it was more of a 'brother project'. You and your realmsian liberalism...
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 23:28:44
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| FYI: I have a friend (an IP attorney) that is going to help out. I'll worry about the legal aspects; everyone is free to focus on awesome content :) |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2012 : 03:29:26
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Can we worship a legal aspect, and if so, will their be future D&D articles pertaining to this?
And why aren't there any lawyer gods? Or does that fall under the purview of fiendish cults?
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
479 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2012 : 09:38:57
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| Well since Gargauth is dealing with contracts and he is of fiendish origin and of divine existance.... i guess your right in both accounts Markustay |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2012 : 09:50:55
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| Civil law is totally Wakeen's area. or perhaps whoever the god of writing is. Contracts and what not. |
We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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The Future of Candlekeep's 'Compendium'...
