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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
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 Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 16:56:51
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Originally posted by Matt James
Edit to Add: Jeremy, yes that would help a ton. The more you can point to their product(s), the better.
Awesome. Thanks Matt.
OK then, let's get this show on the road. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 16:57:18
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Originally posted by The Sage
Matt, how would you propose we work in terms of rules-sets -- specifically, 4e? [I'm wondering whether we can use 4e rules in potential submissions, since that's been a particularly murky part of the existing Fan Site Policy.]
Can the works not be edition neutral, as is the new direction of Sourcebooks? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 18:23:42
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Originally posted by Matt James
Correct. No ads. Here are some things that will generally protect us as well as give warm fuzzies to the content IP holders that we are not usurping their works:
1.Fan works do not deprive the owner of the source material of income
2.Fan works may work as free advertisement and promotion of the original source material
3.Fan works are usually non-profit.
4.Fan works do not copy, or attempt to substitute for, the original work
#4 is of note because we do not want to offer alternate options to RSEs. That's where you start to get into trouble.
And yet, there have been authors who have gone out of their way to shut down any kind of fan works. WotC hasn't done this, true, but it is still a possibility. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 18:26:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And yet, there have been authors who have gone out of their way to shut down any kind of fan works. WotC hasn't done this, true, but it is still a possibility.
ST was notorious for this, and there were a few others. George Lucas used to be 'sue happy' (he was under the impression that he invented Scify), but he lost far more cases then he won, which only exacerbated the situation - people realized just how much they could use. This may be WotC's thinking on the matter - its a can of worms at this point (especially if you factor in Paizo and their run with Dragon magazine). Them losing such a case would do an immense amount of harm , so they have to pick and choose their battles carefully. A site that doesn't take from their own income in any manner, and helps to promote their IP is not something that would warrant an unwanted lawsuit.
Also, this sort of action usually causes backlash amongst the fan base. If we were shut down tomorrow, have you any idea what sort of field-day the anti-WotC people will have with them? Its a PR nightmare.
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So thats it then. We should continue forward, and write our articles.
Then, after we have a bunch of them, we can decide then how to proceed. If Alaundo does not want to publish said journal here, then we can host it elsewhere. I don't understand how that worsens the fact we already have nine hosted here, but whatever, its not my call.
Even if its hosted elsewhere, it could still bear the title Candlekeep. Its would be a shame if we had to detach the library part of the site from the forum, but if thats what it will take then so be it.
And BTW, thats precisely what at least one company did to get around the GSL - there is always a loophole. They broke their company in half so that one half could produce 4e material (under the license), and the other half other material under the OGL. It really was that simple. People need to stop over-thinking things.
Wooly, I mean no disrespect, but I was given something of a 'warning' while at Gencon (more of a friendly little 'heads up') concerning my maps. I wasn't told to stop, but I was cautioned against certain things. This is where I am coming from - I really do understand precisely what they want, and what they don't want. What CK does is something they want. They can't officially say that, but trust me, we are good to go. The only piece of advice I would add is that the articles should all be checked over by at least one of the freelancers who are wonderful enough to work with us, just to make sure those 'problems' don't creep in. This is something I have decided to do regardless - a second set of eyes never hurts. |
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Varl
Learned Scribe
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 20:15:28
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The only piece of advice I would add is that the articles should all be checked over by at least one of the freelancers who are wonderful enough to work with us, just to make sure those 'problems' don't creep in. This is something I have decided to do regardless - a second set of eyes never hurts.
What also wouldn't hurt is to know what these enigmatic 'problems' specifically are, so they could be better avoided by those wishing to create fan works. How are people supposed to know the violations that gets legal all hopped up on the bean if the fanbase has no clue what these 'problems' are to begin with? Oh, you'll be in violation when you get a C&D letter or email, but you might not necessarily know why. Heh. |
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Mr Dark
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 20:20:02
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 20:59:49
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Like the plan for D&D moving forward, all material should "support all eras". This is what they paln to do, and it is what we have always done.
Also, keep the crunchy bits separate, or to a minimum (and be self-contained), which is also part of the WotC plan.
If anything, it appears they are "becoming more like us", then the other way around. The Compendium has always been 'setting first', rules-lite, and have supported all eras of the Forgotten Realms. We needn't change a thing, IMHO. We've been conforming to their 5e goals before it ever became 'their plan'.
When it comes to rules, I say we just "avoid it like the plague'. (pun-intended) |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 21:05:27
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I'm not one to ***** foot around...so having said that, Candlekeep has for SOME TIME been compiling something very similar to the Candlekeep Compendium:
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=893
Just because it has no grand title such as the Candlekeep Compendium does not remove the fact that it is much the same.
Folks have TOGETHER been putting material together and publishing it on this site for years now.
The Compendium is not going to place Candlekeep in any more danger than what is already being done. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 23:09:10
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Originally posted by Matt James
Interestingly, rules are the easiest part to get past. No company can protect rules of a game. It's a big misconception that people have. The only known case that even comes close is the landslide arguement that WotC got past the courts on the term and action of "tapping" a card. That's a whole other story, for another time. It was written about by my attorney on Loremaster. Also, you should note that when you conform (sign-up for) the GSL, you are actually giving away some of your rights in return for permission to use images that WotC has.
After all is said and done, we need to make sure WotC is well aware that we are writing fan-fiction for the love of their setting. We cannot sell the works, or try to pass them off as being official. We cannot undue what they have already done, and generally, we need to respect the work that has come before (no rewriting the Time of Troubles, or the Spellplague).
Star Wars fans have been doing this for years. It's a good benchmark to look at. Also, a group did a fan-film about the Firefly series. This falls into the same boat.
Edit to Add: Jeremy, yes that would help a ton. The more you can point to their product(s), the better. We are here for the Realms, not our own version of it. We are fans first.
This above sums it up great. Candlekeep isn't going to go anywhere. There's no way WotC would wan't the PR nightmare associated with shutting down the premiere fansite of it's flagship setting.
And I wouldn't accept the fan site kit agreement, because you're not bound by it if you don't accept/use it.
If they have issues with anything they would most likely ask for it's removal and/or it's fixing of whatever the problem is. Which in a way would be good, because it could give us a set of hard guidelines to go by.
Granted, as long as everything is done as many posters have stated above there won't be a problem, we just have to follow a few simple rules.
I think the Keep should be roaring full speed ahead with this. Wizards has better things to do with their time than shut down a bunch of fans who want nothing more than to show how awesome the Realms setting is.
It's the 21st century, and hopefully Wizards is on the up of how the Interwebs works. It's not like we are competing against them for search rankings and web site traffic. Web traffic is cyclical and shared among websites. People go where the quality is. Which should definitely tell them something about their own forums that I stopped visiting several years ago, to instead focus here.
Frankly, Candlekeep is a great form of advertising for Wizards and the Forgotten Realms. Wizards isn't likely to consult legal on our behalf because that costs money, so we'll likely never have something in writing of what we can do.
With that in mind, I don't think we should allow that to grind all progress here to a halt. Let the compendium go forward. If WotC has a problem, they'll tell us to remove something. The worst case scenario is that we TRIED. I'd rather give it hell and try then always wonder what would have happened IF.
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 00:01:21
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It's been a long time since I flipped through a compendium, but I wonder if older issues could be reorganized topically instead of being a hodge-podge of whatever people turned in during that time period.
Would it also be possible to set compendium themes so that the articles could be focused on a single topic.
I'm also in favor of edition neutrality--though maybe containing sidebars that discuss implications of lore in various editions. |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 00:04:09
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Would it be kosher to let WotC advertise in the CK compendium? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 00:43:58
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They should be the ONLY ones allowed to do so (and that might be a great way to get their okay - GOOD call). Technically, the whole thing is one big ad for their (FR) products.
I also like what you said there about reorganizing older articles - I was thinking about just this today (I was thinking about how I have articles in about five different netbooks right now, and how I should put them all under one 'Collected Markustay' book). I would also love to do a mild re-write of my one CK article (at least let me rename a few things - I really should have let GK or someone proof read that thing for me). |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 00:59:58
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Originally posted by Varl
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The only piece of advice I would add is that the articles should all be checked over by at least one of the freelancers who are wonderful enough to work with us, just to make sure those 'problems' don't creep in. This is something I have decided to do regardless - a second set of eyes never hurts.
What also wouldn't hurt is to know what these enigmatic 'problems' specifically are, so they could be better avoided by those wishing to create fan works. How are people supposed to know the violations that gets legal all hopped up on the bean if the fanbase has no clue what these 'problems' are to begin with? Oh, you'll be in violation when you get a C&D letter or email, but you might not necessarily know why. Heh.
LOL - while I would love to elaborate, my doing so may cause the very problem they fear happening.
Lets just say that when you write anything about anything - even if it is just for your own amusement or that of others - make sure everything you use is either THEIR PROPERTY (WotC), or completely made-up by you. DO NOT use other people's IP's!!! Accidents have occurred in this regard, because folks tend to 'remember' something they read as canon, even if they read it awhile back in a fanzine. Thats the danger of a fanzine. Things that should NEVER become canon sometimes do. There is too much information to keep track of it all.
Years and years ago this didn't matter so much. In fact, authors quite often used other author's 'toys', which was a form of homage, and looked at positively (This is how much of the Cthulhu myths came about). It created a sort of 'over-canon' for genres (dragons are big scaley reptiles, orcs have tusks and are butt-ugly, wizards have pointy hats and use wands, large spaceships carry smaller ships inside of them like aircraft carriers, lasers are fun, bad-guy armor is useless, etc, etc). What we call 'tropes' started out as someone else's idea. Then George Lucas came along and decided that everything that had to do with spaceships was his personal property (you have to be old enough to have lived through that era to know what I mean - he was suing EVERYBODY).
Look at D&D - we use Vancian magic. Jack Vance never sued Gygax. We have halflings - the Tolkien estate did not sue Gygax. etc, etc. Those were happier (pre-Lucas) times. In this day and age, that sort of 'public/genre property' no longer applies.
Data in Star Trek uses a positronic brain. Isaac Asimov created the concept of the positronic brain (and the term for it). Almost every 'robot story' nowadays excepts these concepts, and the concept of the 'laws of robotics'. However, I am pretty sure ST needed to get permission to use the terminology - I really doubt they would have taken the chance on getting sued (being a sue-happy IP themselves - they do not allow fansites).
So, all I am saying is make sure whatever you write about is your own creation, or part of the existing FR canon. Placing Hogwarts in Suzail might sound like fun, but if someone down the road reads your story, and thinks its canon, that becomes a HUGE problem for WotC. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 01:06:10
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Originally posted by Matt James
Interestingly, rules are the easiest part to get past. No company can protect rules of a game.
I'm assuming this also includes past rules-sets, like previous editions of D&D?
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Star Wars fans have been doing this for years.
I know, I've long been a participant. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 01:07:46
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by The Sage
Matt, how would you propose we work in terms of rules-sets -- specifically, 4e? [I'm wondering whether we can use 4e rules in potential submissions, since that's been a particularly murky part of the existing Fan Site Policy.]
Can the works not be edition neutral, as is the new direction of Sourcebooks?
Ideally, we'd like all submissions for the Compendium to be open to edition-neutral, or set specifically for prior rules-editions of the game. It's just 4e that's been the stumbling block... what can we use and what should we avoid. |
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Mr Dark
Seeker
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 01:13:25
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Matt James
Interestingly, rules are the easiest part to get past. No company can protect rules of a game.
I'm assuming this also includes past rules-sets, like previous editions of D&D?
With the large number of 'retro-clone' systems this seems to be the case. Right now there are multiple games,some of which are for sale, that are nothing more than AD&D or Classic D&D with the serial numbers filed off. They have existed for the past five to six years and WOTC has done nothing about them. In fact, Mike Mearls has acknowledged that WOTC is aware they exist.
Edit to add: Of these systems OSRIC is pretty much AD&D and has been around the longest. You can download the free PDF or buy a hardcover.
Download link
Mod Edit: Corrected the URL. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 02:00:28
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@Sqwegle (and just about everyone else)
Its not that they haven't gone after them, its that they can't. You can NOT patent a game system; the best you can do is copyright the rules as written.
That means someone else can come along and re-write the rules in their own words and publish it. You are only copyrighting the words verbatim, not the system. At least one company produced at least one 4e product in this manner (re-naming certain 4e terms, but making it obvious the product was designed to be used with 4e).
And I am not suggesting any of these scenarios for us, because we aren't using D&D, we are using the Forgotten Realms, which IS copyrighted, including all the setting-specific terminology (which includes names of people and places). It has never been OGL. As Matt pointed out, the rules are a cinch to work around.
The ideal situation is to get permission, but I fear we will grow old waiting for that. {oops... too late!}  |
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Mr Dark
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 02:15:15
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I'm aware of that. I was just showing The Sage what has been out there since he asked about the rules issue. The problem I have is that there are fansites everywhere. Almost every D&D world has one and a lucky few were chosen to be the 'official' site for world X for D&D. Sites like Canonfire have went ahead with their fanzines and nothing has happened. Dragonsoot produces free modules and has been for years, nothing happened. Candlekeep, by the rules of the fansite policy, is breaking the rules with almost every post, nothing happened. The only sites WOTC has went after since 4e came about were those that were sharing material they shouldn't have (i.e. piracy).
I think the CKC can proceede safely as things are. :) |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 04:32:20
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| Yes, please do. Makes me wonder if Tom Costa will ever bother finishing his "Prestige in the Realms II" file? |
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Andrekan
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Posted - 08 Sep 2012 : 04:34:17
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Well perhaps the best topic would deal with is Candlekeep and how the Lore Masters have dealt with the dark age of Spellplague. What has become of all those wonderful books that were ravage by the Plague or were they. How might Oghma have preserved Spells and Knowledge until the time was right for the return of Magic as it was or will it. Sure there are new ways of casting spells and how new borns handle magic but many old magical spells are still useful as ever, at least now. Though they may have changed in little ways as they spread out with activation. After a hundred years or so many will have forgotten how to use many of these spells, yet I am almost certain that the knowledge has been preserved along the salty ocean blasted Sword Coast.
What is life in a day like around Candlekeep?
Where does the food come from?
What are the connections of commerce and intrigue?
What tales might the Lore Masters have preserved about preserving the Art of Magic Use. At least until a Herald delivers them from the Darkness that has fallen upon the Realms as far as Magic Use is concerned.
Perhaps I am way far ahead of the conversation, but does anyone remember how to cast an "Iron Guard". There must be some Spell Tomes around here somewhere on the subject of preservation of Spells and the Diversity of Casting before and after the Plague. Many long lived Magic Users who suffered and survived the Spell Plague are finding their old reliable abilities returning and I am certain they will be heading over to Candlekeep, if able. Bothering the Gatekeeper with 1000gpv Books to gain entry in hopes of finding those spells they can't find or seem to remember how to cast. What has the Keeper of Tomes and the First Reader been up to for one hundred years?
Oh well just some ideas bouncing in my Realms mind. To the 9 Hells with all the $$$ I'm here for Lore, to assist, and aid others with Lore of the Realms. I have endured the Plague and Silence long though I know adventures are still thriving. Players and Monsters are still dying. There remains no experience cap when it comes to lore. Half of it could be non-sense and half-truth. Either way it is our Realms we are talking about.   |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 00:15:31
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| As I said, I completely understand the healthy fear of legal issues. It seems the moderators are not all in agreement on the direction or even if it will happen. I have a place and willingness so maybe I can test the waters. Anyone who wants to come help out is more than welcome. I want to see CK do the Compendium, and I would still love to help out. I don't want this to be seen as trying to compete. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 01:04:39
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Originally posted by The Sage
Rather than take up otherwise useful space in other scrolls, I thought it would be more appropriate to tackle this discussion in it's own scroll.
So, most folk at Candlekeep are aware of the present lacking of the Candlekeep Compendium and the reasons for why we have yet to move forward.
Markus raised an interesting point in Brian's scroll that's got me thinking:-
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Originally posted by Markustay
Or it could just continue as-is, here, which I'd prefer, but then I think some sort of accord with WotC needs to be reached. Personally, I just don't see the need for it, but obviously others here do.
There's a part of me that really doesn't see the need for it either, but I guess we just see it as an issue of respect for Wizards.
Perhaps, what we really should attempt here, is to publicly announce a resumption of the producing the Compendium here at Candlekeep -- garner interest and proposals [though, no full submissions just yet], and a general "call-to-lore-arms" so to speak, simply to put the word out, and see what reaction, if any, comes from Wizards Legal Folk.
If it's all quiet on that front, then perhaps we could discuss what the next stage of production for the Compendium should be.
What say you all?
I appreciate Big Al and how busy he is.....I just am hopeful he is aware of how close this issue is to a tipping point.....maybe one of no return, if this endeavor is indeed pursued elsewhere. I would never presume to pressure or hurry him along....but this issue is starting to grow exponentially. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 02:29:33
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Originally posted by Matt James
As I said, I completely understand the healthy fear of legal issues. It seems the moderators are not all in agreement on the direction or even if it will happen. I have a place and willingness so maybe I can test the waters. Anyone who wants to come help out is more than welcome. I want to see CK do the Compendium, and I would still love to help out. I don't want this to be seen as trying to compete.
I completely understand where you're coming from on this Matt.
I'll also note that while Wooly and I may have slightly differing viewpoints on how we should proceed, it's Alaundo himself who has to make the ultimate decision based on the facts and opinions of what's said here, and what we all bring to the table. It's his site, after all, and even if it is just a matter of receiving a C&D order from Wizards, he's the one that has to receive it. So just like many of the scribes here, the opinions of Wooly and myself are just another factor in Alaundo's decision making process for how best to proceed with the Compendium. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 09 Sep 2012 : 02:30:13
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by The Sage
Rather than take up otherwise useful space in other scrolls, I thought it would be more appropriate to tackle this discussion in it's own scroll.
So, most folk at Candlekeep are aware of the present lacking of the Candlekeep Compendium and the reasons for why we have yet to move forward.
Markus raised an interesting point in Brian's scroll that's got me thinking:-
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Originally posted by Markustay
Or it could just continue as-is, here, which I'd prefer, but then I think some sort of accord with WotC needs to be reached. Personally, I just don't see the need for it, but obviously others here do.
There's a part of me that really doesn't see the need for it either, but I guess we just see it as an issue of respect for Wizards.
Perhaps, what we really should attempt here, is to publicly announce a resumption of the producing the Compendium here at Candlekeep -- garner interest and proposals [though, no full submissions just yet], and a general "call-to-lore-arms" so to speak, simply to put the word out, and see what reaction, if any, comes from Wizards Legal Folk.
If it's all quiet on that front, then perhaps we could discuss what the next stage of production for the Compendium should be.
What say you all?
I appreciate Big Al and how busy he is.....I just am hopeful he is aware of how close this issue is to a tipping point.....maybe one of no return, if this endeavor is indeed pursued elsewhere. I would never presume to pressure or hurry him along....but this issue is starting to grow exponentially.
That's understandable.
I'll message him directly and remind him again of how important this issue has now become. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2012 : 20:43:02
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I'd just like to point out that the current 'stalled' state of the CKC does not mean people can't write articles regardless. CK itself still excepts FR fan lore on a piece-by-piece basis, last I heard. Also, Netbook projects like the ones done by Snowblood, Lord Karsus, and Dalor Darden are always welcome by everyone.
So write the articles, and whatever happens happens, even if they just get posted by themselves. We still all enjoy what others have done with the Forgotten Realms. |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Sep 2012 : 20:57:42
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Yeah, about articles, how exactly does that work?
I'm working on one regarding magic, and alternative rules related there to. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 02:53:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I'd just like to point out that the current 'stalled' state of the CKC does not mean people can't write articles regardless. CK itself still excepts FR fan lore on a piece-by-piece basis, last I heard. Also, Netbook projects like the ones done by Snowblood, Lord Karsus, and Dalor Darden are always welcome by everyone.
So write the articles, and whatever happens happens, even if they just get posted by themselves. We still all enjoy what others have done with the Forgotten Realms.
Markus is correct.
Candlekeep still regularly accepts other fan-based Realms creations and works, and greatly encourages any and all scribes with an interest toward promoting their efforts, to have them hosted here. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 02:55:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Sightless
Yeah, about articles, how exactly does that work?
I'm working on one regarding magic, and alternative rules related there to.
What do you need to know about the articles submission process?
If you've already glanced over what's already available on the shelves of the main site, then you should be aware of the kinds of content that are regularly submitted. |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2012 : 05:10:59
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1. with every site, no matter the nature, there is content that I do not get.
Holding this I can find nothing about how one submits articles. Does one just send a scribe an e-mail, saying here is an rticle entitled "X" it's about "Y"? or is there some process with formes etc. My article isn't finished as yet, but still knowing this would be helpful. I don't say this to be rude or an anoyence, just that I am unclear as to the prefered procedure. I thank you for your time. |
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