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Kajehase
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 21:57:09
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
2) As I said, it's been done. Read Carey's books. I'd rather our stories about heroines be differentiated from something that's already been covered.
Although the bit in those books that takes part in an actual harem (a good chunk of Kushiel's Avatar should probably be read in broad daylight, with a bunch of pictures of cute animals or a good dose of brain-bleach available. This is not some "gorgeous women lounging about in various state of undress being sexy" harem we're talking about, but all-out nightmare fuel.
And bloody well written nightmare fuel at that - I still skip certain parts of it during re-read, though. Because it's that well done! |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 22:02:40
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To be honest, I'm not a fan of the harem idea, either, but if I had to read a story set in one, I'd want it to be about something like the power-struggles in the harems of the Ottoman Sultans (yes, there were two - after a while the women were transferred to one a bit away from the palace where they spent their time weaving and doing other "womanly" chores until the sultan, or whoever was really in charge, could find someone to marry them off to) with plenty of back-stabbing and application of the silk-cord to one's siblings during the succession-season.
Not sure it'd have enough action (until the above-mentioned explosion of fratricide) to be the kind of story Wizards want though. |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 22:45:02
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I think we're aiming too mature with this harem angle. Why are we so stuck on that concept anyway?
WotC market for D&D/FR books includes a great number of teenagers. I read D&D novels before LotR and they were my introduction to fantasy in middle school. Even if they decided to use the harem idea as a focus, the authors would be forced to gloss over the more interesting and mature aspects. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 22:58:28
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It was suggestion. We aren't stuck on it. I'd be more then willing to hear other ideas and work from there.
The point is, if you put together an 'all girl squad', then there has to be a reason for it, otherwise it feels contrived. For example, if a dragon is about to attack a city, why are only females 'responding to the call'? Or an Orc horde, or Uber-baddie, or giant squid, etc.
WHY are they girl-only? Give me another deus ex machina and we can run with it (perhaps some ancient magic that only females can handle? That sounds too Goddess/Pagan/WoT to me). |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 23:13:00
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Why are some adventuring parties all male? Aside from the token love interest. (Not sure if any FR novels are setup like this, but theoretically it's possible.)
The same could apply to a female party, all female heroes with a token male love interest who makes appearances here and there but isn't the focus of the story. There could be other parties, either all male or not, also responding to the conflict, but the story is focused on this particular team.
I think it's just as contrived to have an all female team go after a harem situation. Why not send in some male support in that case? There is nothing inherent in the harem concept that makes it female only, just that females may be helpful in the situation. A harem story could still focus on male characters with the token female to help them, and this is how the situation unfolds in many stories.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 23:54:27
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Right, and in almost every instance we have a female hero interacting with a GROUP of male heroes/villains. The female is the 'token', in most cases.
The obvious exception being the Suarials books - Olive and Alias were both main characters, and the 'male' wasn't even remotely human.
I just had thought: What if Filfarril (who has a lot of 'unknowns' in her background) created clones of her two daughters at an early age? Considering her affiliations (The Harpers and The Chosen, etc), she could have done this without Azoun of Vangerdehast knowing (she may have done this as reaction to her son's death). Then, during the whole devil dragon/Ghazneth affair, these disappeared (there was scene in which vangerdehast found the 'genetic material' of the royals ruined, so they couldn't be brought back, so someone was obviously busy destroying all such contingencies). Filfaeril and whomever helped her create the clones) would have been aware of their disappearance, but she would have been afraid to tell Vangy and Azoun about them (for several reasons - their very existence creates all sorts of problems in terms of inheritance).
Thus, we have two young princesses - who most of us would love see brought back - being found by someone and sold into the slave market. Somehow, the heroes catch wind of all this (Filfaeril incorporated some sort of alarm contingency if the clones ever awoke?), and a 'secret mission' is underway to get them back. This could be set-up in almost any era following Azoun's death (which allows us to incorporate most of the Realms characters).
If its set in the 4e/5e era, I wonder how Alusair's ghost would feel about meeting her younger self, very much alive? 
No way you read all those books and determined that....if you did you missed the story on 75% of them. Arilyn was those books....without her they don't work. Dan is her arm candy, sure he's more interesting than most, but you can cut him right out.. chosen of Nendawen is all about Hweilen...I'll stop there and I guess we will just agree to disagree.
I've never got the sense any of those female characters I mentioned were held back in any way by gender that wasn't balanced by things held against the males as well. The diversity and celebration of women in the realms is unprecedented in fiction of any type I know of. The cover art sadly lags behind the truth of the world inside. The realms is diverse....it just hasn't been marketed that way. Why not. Up until recently that was the only way to sell it in their eyes. I see a need for a shift in marketing focus, much more so than content, which just needs a tweak in focus..
This women not getting to do cool things like the guys in the realms could be just some pc guilt trip a bunch of white mid- young to old white dudes are on cause they juabe controlled the whole gaming arena, books, pen and paper games, video games all of it....Forever. Take the initiative, what ever the cause and fix it. The powers that be need to search out more women and minority writers. It really could be that simple. There are many more than in the past, but still too few. whatever the motivation, they need to use their new found proprieties and make change for real, with who's writing the stuff!
Why the heck hasn't Brian Cortijo been tasked to write a novel yet? is he not light enough? Too masculine? Too short? Too different? Cant have another writer with facial hair? Hair is too dark? Hair is too short?He sure didn't fit the "mold" of the writers I know the looks of. Damned if I know why he's not on his third or forth novel by now?
Why is only one of six of the Sundering novels written by a woman? No minorities either....just sayin'....
I've read some ideas from some female realms fans. It's good stuff, as good as anyones.....give them a chance too.
It doesn't look good. Here comes the new era of the realms ....led by 5 older white guys. and a real live woman......in the middle somewhere
They are missing a chance. They are just fixing the realms...they could have taken a chance and fixed so much more.
Now that everything realms goes thru Ed, here's hoping that means choosing new authors too. that would change the game in a hurry. |
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"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 00:05:34
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I have only just started reading Harper novels since Gencon. I started with Elfsong - I barely saw Arilyn (near the beginning, and then she was gone). I actually have no idea who she is.
I suppose we can surmise that our view of the Realms is 'tainted' by what we have read. When I first started reading Realms novels, I thought the whole setting was about Celtic stuff and Drow. Then I read a Harper novel - Red Magic - and decided anything to do with Harpers was utter crap. Its taken me this long to change that opinion (changed by Ed, who kept sneaking them in all over the place in his non-Harper novels).
And you can pretty-much write Catti-Brie out of all the Drizzt novels. She's little more then a 'trophy' in those books. Like I said, opinions are formed based on the order in which your read stuff.
As for why only one of the sundering authors is female - probably because the genre is predominately male-authored. I would gladly replace one of them with Elaine Cunningham. I'd also suggest Christie Golden as another, just to balance things (although I can't think of a second one I'd replace). |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 02:40:53
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have only just started reading Harper novels since Gencon. I started with Elfsong - I barely saw Arilyn (near the beginning, and then she was gone). I actually have no idea who she is.
I suppose we can surmise that our view of the Realms is 'tainted' by what we have read. When I first started reading Realms novels, I thought the whole setting was about Celtic stuff and Drow. Then I read a Harper novel - Red Magic - and decided anything to do with Harpers was utter crap. Its taken me this long to change that opinion (changed by Ed, who kept sneaking them in all over the place in his non-Harper novels).
And you can pretty-much write Catti-Brie out of all the Drizzt novels. She's little more then a 'trophy' in those books. Like I said, opinions are formed based on the order in which your read stuff.
As for why only one of the sundering authors is female - probably because the genre is predominately male-authored. I would gladly replace one of them with Elaine Cunningham. I'd also suggest Christie Golden as another, just to balance things (although I can't think of a second one I'd replace).
I've read e dry novel except about 1/3 of the post spell plague. Im not claiming to know more than anyone about them....but when I go back and think about them....many many would be nothing without their strong femal lead. Now, they could have been written as a male character and most would have worked.....but that what we really want right???
Stories that are good regardless of gender of the characters.....although a lot of these great females come from the pen of Elaine Cunningham.
That's what the realms really needs.
Elaine
I like Christie Golden too.....one of her Ravenloft novels reminded me so much of Elaine....Christie would be great,to have in the realms. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 03:38:24
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I like Christie Golden too.....one of her Ravenloft novels reminded me so much of Elaine....Christie would be great,to have in the realms.
You're probably thinking of Dance of the Dead. Or was it Vampire of the Mists?
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 03:39:55
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 04:14:59
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like Christie Golden too.....one of her Ravenloft novels reminded me so much of Elaine....Christie would be great,to have in the realms.
You're probably thinking of Dance of the Dead. Or was it Vampire of the Mists?
Both to some extent, but was thinking of Dance of the Dead when I posted. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 04:16:29
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Originally posted by Dark Wizard
Elaine would have been a nice addition to the Sundering Six (Seven) because she's written so many novels and characters in the Realms. Wasn't she thinking about a new story for the 4E era focused on Elaith's daughter?
The Serpent's Daughter ......I think it's on hold??? I can't find any info on it. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 05:07:51
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like Christie Golden too.....one of her Ravenloft novels reminded me so much of Elaine....Christie would be great,to have in the realms.
I haven't read her Ravenloft novels, but judging by her Warcraft books, particularly Arthas, I'd rather not have her in the Realms. She sticks to the lore, yes, but she does so too much that the story looks like a chaotically fragmented pieces of a biography barely sewn together. |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 05:09:38
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Dark Wizard
Elaine would have been a nice addition to the Sundering Six (Seven) because she's written so many novels and characters in the Realms. Wasn't she thinking about a new story for the 4E era focused on Elaith's daughter?
The Serpent's Daughter ......I think it's on hold??? I can't find any info on it.
That's the one.
I hope the recent stirrings from WotC regarding the Realms, with more receptive management and the participation of Ed and other collaborative scribes, also eventually brings Elaine back for more novels.
Even I feel like writing stories after this thread and I haven't done so for years in any setting. Perhaps it's time to scrub the rust away with some much needed practice. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 05:11:42
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Originally posted by Dark Wizard
Elaine would have been a nice addition to the Sundering Six (Seven) because she's written so many novels and characters in the Realms. Wasn't she thinking about a new story for the 4E era focused on Elaith's daughter?
I was actually expecting her to be part of that project. It kinda sounds right that "veteran" authors are tasked to set some things right for the next look of the Realms. |
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LastStand
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 08:48:27
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Regarding the harem. What if it was a reverse harem.
Consider this as possible plot hook:
A powerful, influential female - notorious for her oppression and callous disregard for males - passes a working class male by. She points to him and orders her assistant/adviser "I want that one for my collection" A day later he is seized by her guards and taken to her palace/mansion/estate. There he joins a group of other males as, basically, ornaments. They are kept sedated by magical means or drugs and are kept lounging on pillows around the woman's throne and audience chamber. The female interest of the male whom was taken decides that this doesn't sit well with her, and she sets of on a quest of to rescue her love and take revenge for taken him away.
The powerful female could be a drow, and she could take a human or harem.
I feel this story may have been told before, not necessarily in the realms, but it's to illustrate the reverse harem idea. |
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LastStand
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 08:50:06
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like Christie Golden too.....one of her Ravenloft novels reminded me so much of Elaine....Christie would be great,to have in the realms.
I haven't read her Ravenloft novels, but judging by her Warcraft books, particularly Arthas, I'd rather not have her in the Realms. She sticks to the lore, yes, but she does so too much that the story looks like a chaotically fragmented pieces of a biography barely sewn together.
This.
I haven't read any Ravenloft or Star Wars from her, but the reviews I've read weren't very flattering. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 09:09:04
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Originally posted by LastStand
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like Christie Golden too.....one of her Ravenloft novels reminded me so much of Elaine....Christie would be great,to have in the realms.
I haven't read her Ravenloft novels, but judging by her Warcraft books, particularly Arthas, I'd rather not have her in the Realms. She sticks to the lore, yes, but she does so too much that the story looks like a chaotically fragmented pieces of a biography barely sewn together.
This.
I haven't read any Ravenloft or Star Wars from her, but the reviews I've read weren't very flattering.
Eh. I don't often let reviews determine whether or not I'll read a particular novel or a particular writer's work.
Having said that, I've greatly enjoyed Golden's books for both RAVENLOFT and STAR WARS. They're among my many re-reads for both universes. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 09:12:49
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Funny, I loved Lord of the Clans (its a sad story, but a good one). Then again, I am an orc-lover.
She's also written a couple of Realms short stories. Its strange that someone who is known to 'stick to canon' wouldn't be welcome by Realms fans.
To each his own. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 10:23:55
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| I ve not read Chirste Goldens Ravenloft books but her star wars novels were very good. She was a good choice to replace Karen Traviss who never really fit in, what with the constant jedi bashing and what not. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 13:35:04
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| I've only read Christie Golden's short stories in various Realms of anthologies, and those were pretty darn good. |
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LastStand
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 20:16:17
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by LastStand
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like Christie Golden too.....one of her Ravenloft novels reminded me so much of Elaine....Christie would be great,to have in the realms.
I haven't read her Ravenloft novels, but judging by her Warcraft books, particularly Arthas, I'd rather not have her in the Realms. She sticks to the lore, yes, but she does so too much that the story looks like a chaotically fragmented pieces of a biography barely sewn together.
This.
I haven't read any Ravenloft or Star Wars from her, but the reviews I've read weren't very flattering.
Eh. I don't often let reviews determine whether or not I'll read a particular novel or a particular writer's work.
Having said that, I've greatly enjoyed Golden's books for both RAVENLOFT and STAR WARS. They're among my many re-reads for both universes.
True enough. Like I said I haven't read any of her SW or Ravenloft, she may have some good stuff. I tend to let the writing speak and not the reviews, however if the book receives a lot of negetive reviews, I admit that I can't help but have reservations going into it.
Just to clarify. It's not that I haven't read her books because of bad reviews, just haven't had the opportunity to read them yet...and it's not like I've read the reviews of every one of her books - I may just have stumbled upon the books that didn't receive much love by chance.
The Warcraft books I have read didn't work for me though. |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 20:19:08
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| I love the possibility that Alias would have survived the stupid time jump. Flattery and Finder were semi-imortal, so all the Alias clones could be alive, including Cat. (And if there is a god, the Wyvern's Spur and the use of the Finder's Stone made Giogi Wyvernspur survive too. I can dream, right?) |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Sep 2012 : 15:07:14
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Why the heck hasn't Brian Cortijo been tasked to write a novel yet? is he not light enough? Too masculine? Too short? Too different? Cant have another writer with facial hair? Hair is too dark? Hair is too short?He sure didn't fit the "mold" of the writers I know the looks of. Damned if I know why he's not on his third or forth novel by now?
I am beyond flattered. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 03:10:04
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Eh. I don't often let reviews determine whether or not I'll read a particular novel or a particular writer's work.
Usually, I don't. But when there's TOO MANY screaming about the same thing? That's when I pause...Often, there's truth in numbers. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 13:45:23
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
Why the heck hasn't Brian Cortijo been tasked to write a novel yet? is he not light enough? Too masculine? Too short? Too different? Cant have another writer with facial hair? Hair is too dark? Hair is too short?He sure didn't fit the "mold" of the writers I know the looks of. Damned if I know why he's not on his third or forth novel by now?
I am beyond flattered.
Well my wife says I could use a "filter"....I tend to say just what I'm thinking. I'm sure I could have PC'd that a bit and made it more polished....but that's what I think.
The only Realms novels I've not finished or read were doue to the wrtier/writing(in my opinion....they were also all post spellplague, but as i have enjoyed most novels since then, it's not due to my dislike of the changes to faerun)....so the main flaw for me post spellplague was how authors were choose. So if I was in charge I would have choose you instead of one of the two that I felt didn't fit the realms(imho)....so if I'm wrong, WotC can fire me as a reader. As it was, I was redeuced to "part time"....luckily for me with the Sundering news....It actually looks like they want me back as a full time reader, with lots of overtime.
And maybe I'm biased or not. But damn it I wanna read what your voice has to say about Cormyr........or as your short in When the Hero Comes Home showed me, anywhere else you want to set a story.
P.S. I know your a patient guy, but you've had to say to yourself "if not now, when?" |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 13:46:31
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by The Sage
Eh. I don't often let reviews determine whether or not I'll read a particular novel or a particular writer's work.
Usually, I don't. But when there's TOO MANY screaming about the same thing? That's when I pause...Often, there's truth in numbers.
Except when the lead lemmings are running off of a cliff and you can't see that til it's too late
No matter the reviews, I always try to read the back cover(or wherever they put it) blurb and a sample if offered, which Amazon usually does. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 15:22:03
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Speaking of female heroes: for the record, anytime Ed and I get the chance to write that Storm Silverhand/Fox-at-Twilight crossover story, you'll be the first to know. 
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 15:31:26
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Speaking of female heroes: for the record, anytime Ed and I get the chance to write that Storm Silverhand/Fox-at-Twilight crossover story, you'll be the first to know.
Cheers
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 16:11:46
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Speaking of female heroes: for the record, anytime Ed and I get the chance to write that Storm Silverhand/Fox-at-Twilight crossover story, you'll be the first to know.
Cheers
How about a bi-monthly serial? I have a feeling we'd never get enough of that pairing. Maybe 'fox had sometime training with Storm to pursue her love of singing. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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