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Dalor Darden
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 Posted - 25 Apr 2012 : 00:18:02
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Are there any lands which use germanic noble titles such as Waldgraf, Landgraf, etc in the Realms?
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Are there any lands that might be appropriate setting for such titles to be used?
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Apr 2012 : 03:54:54
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I can't recall those titles anywhere, although more recognizable English titles (like Duke, Count, Baron, Knight) are frequently used. I'm guessing that non-generic noble titles are unfamiliar to most readers and so end up being translated into their "common" equivalents. Who knows, perhaps Faerūn calls Obould a King, while his German-Orcish speaking subjects actually call him Kaiser?
A lot of the earliest stuff, especially a lot of the FRC1-era stuff which was just bolted into the Realms setting as it came out, did reference the AD&D (1E) class titles; it was a bit strange seeing clerics of every god in the Realms using the same rank and title hierarchy as the Catholic Church.
A fair number of characters with German (or at least German-sounding) names, and lots named "character von something", have also appeared in the Realms. Barbarians, violent dwarves, and gnomish inventors seem to favour German names. |
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Lord Karsus
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Markustay
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Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 04:24:36
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Nothing canon, but if I'd place then anywhere, I'd say in and around Luskan ('the whole 'civilized northmen' thing). In fact, anywhere in the NW of The North would do (the Uthgardt tribes equaling the goths in this camparison).
I have a non-canon Earl ruling in Colinwood (just north of the King's Forest in Cormyr). Thats not a title normally associated with Cormyr (n fact, its unique), but there's a story behind it.
And when I came up with that bit of homebrew (and the town went on to become canon), I had no idea some idiot (Tim Burton) would resurrect the damn Dark Shadows franchise (I thought the derivation harmless, since I'm probably the only one here who could remember watching that cheesy old show).
Too bad I couldn't make him a count, but that would just add another layer of cheese.
Anyhow, I do remember such titles being used somewhere in D&D (probably an adventure), but not specifically in FR.
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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 10:07:52
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have a non-canon Earl ruling in Colinwood (just north of the King's Forest in Cormyr). Thats not a title normally associated with Cormyr (n fact, its unique), but there's a story behind it.
Anyhow, I do remember such titles being used somewhere in D&D (probably an adventure), but not specifically in FR.
Gary made use of Waldgraf et al for the Greyhawk Campaign, maybe that where you are remembering it from?
I thought Earl was a recognised title in Cormyr? in Power of Faerun There is Earl Belgoran of Wyvershores, who's wife is Countess Belgoran and their first son is Viscount, with other sons/daughters taking on the Barons of 'here' and 'there'.
They maybe called Lord and Lady Belgoran by 'the common folk' but their titles are specific.
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 11:25:10
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| I think there is an earl in the North, from one of R.A. Salvatore's books (one with Wulfgar and a thief friend, IIRC). I think the place is Auckney. There is also at least one Earl in the early Moonshae novels. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Apr 2012 : 12:48:45
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Originally posted by crazedventurers
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have a non-canon Earl ruling in Colinwood (just north of the King's Forest in Cormyr). Thats not a title normally associated with Cormyr (n fact, its unique), but there's a story behind it.
Anyhow, I do remember such titles being used somewhere in D&D (probably an adventure), but not specifically in FR.
Gary made use of Waldgraf et al for the Greyhawk Campaign, maybe that where you are remembering it from?
I thought Earl was a recognised title in Cormyr? in Power of Faerun There is Earl Belgoran of Wyvershores, who's wife is Countess Belgoran and their first son is Viscount, with other sons/daughters taking on the Barons of 'here' and 'there'.
They maybe called Lord and Lady Belgoran by 'the common folk' but their titles are specific.
Cheers
Damian
That is, in fact, where I was inspired to find out if the same titles were used anywhere in the Forgotten Realms.
I was sure that there might be a realm in Faerun. Perhaps I will modify my own realms to make it somewhere like Damara... |
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