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varyar
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 :  21:17:54  Show Profile  Visit varyar's Homepage Send varyar a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Hi all,

I'm starting to get back into the Realms again after a few years away from it, and skimming through my copy of Grand History, I noticed that it starts with the end of the great ice age and the sketchy rise of the Creator Races. Is there any canon information or informed speculation about what was going on before that? What, if anything, do we know about the ice age and whatever preceded it?

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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 :  23:34:25  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
No canon AFAIK

I'd just call it 'The First Age'

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varyar
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 :  23:58:34  Show Profile  Visit varyar's Homepage Send varyar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Intriguing - thanks!

(I have the very vague notion of a human antediluvian (well, anteglacial or whatever the technical term would be) culture - they were a Creator Race, might as well give them some primordial glory!

Maybe.)

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Dennis
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Before Ice Age...there was Water Age!

Seriously, though, this could be a good one for Ed. You might want to drop by his thread.

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quote:
Originally posted by varyar

Hi all,

I'm starting to get back into the Realms again after a few years away from it, and skimming through my copy of Grand History, I noticed that it starts with the end of the great ice age and the sketchy rise of the Creator Races. Is there any canon information or informed speculation about what was going on before that? What, if anything, do we know about the ice age and whatever preceded it?



It was cold, very cold.

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varyar
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 :  01:17:31  Show Profile  Visit varyar's Homepage Send varyar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Before Ice Age...there was Water Age!

Seriously, though, this could be a good one for Ed. You might want to drop by his thread.



Not a bad idea - done!

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It was cold, very cold.



That's just what they want you to think!

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The Sage
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 :  01:18:29  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Serpent Kingdoms has a little as well.

I think your best bet is to ask either Brian James or Ed.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by varyar


quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It was cold, very cold.



That's just what they want you to think!



Hey, it's pretty difficult to have an ice age when it's not cold!

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Barastir
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And Toril was dominated by huge furred (wooly?) mammals... Most people think they are all extinct, but maybe one or another persists in another place, maybe even in another crystal sphere...

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varyar
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 :  13:13:04  Show Profile  Visit varyar's Homepage Send varyar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by varyar


quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It was cold, very cold.



That's just what they want you to think!



Hey, it's pretty difficult to have an ice age when it's not cold!



... Away with your facts and logic!

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 :  16:26:57  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Before Ice Age...there was Water Age!
In fact, you're quite right Dennis. The ice age itself was known as the Shadow Epoch, a period of global glaciation precipitated by Dendar the Night Serpent devouring Toril's sun.

Prior to the Shadow Epoch, much of the world was covered in water. The dominant civilizations during the Blue Age were peopled by progenitor Batrachi and aboleths.

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Markustay
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 :  16:47:20  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Better known as The People of the First Sun?

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varyar
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 :  18:08:01  Show Profile  Visit varyar's Homepage Send varyar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

In fact, you're quite right Dennis. The ice age itself was known as the Shadow Epoch, a period of global glaciation precipitated by Dendar the Night Serpent devouring Toril's sun.

Prior to the Shadow Epoch, much of the world was covered in water. The dominant civilizations during the Blue Age were peopled by progenitor Batrachi and aboleths.


This Blue Age reminds me of Dark Sun's prehistory as I dimly recall it. Didn't they have a watery world in the beginning, too, and then the halflings did something weird to create a more typical green planet?

As for Faerun's Blue Age, hm. I think you could fit humans into there, on some small level. Fantasy caveman island dwellers worshipping Selune and Shar (and a few other primordial deities - Mystra in whatever incarnation she had back then, Chauntea, a sun god, and a death god, perhaps?)

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Brian R. James
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 :  18:30:07  Show Profile  Visit Brian R. James's Homepage Send Brian R. James a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by varyar


This Blue Age reminds me of Dark Sun's prehistory as I dimly recall it.
Well, Dark Sun is just Faerūn's distant future. They have a 'Tyr' region afterall. jk, of course.

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Dennis
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis


Before Ice Age...there was Water Age!
In fact, you're quite right Dennis. The ice age itself was known as the Shadow Epoch, a period of global glaciation precipitated by Dendar the Night Serpent devouring Toril's sun.

Prior to the Shadow Epoch, much of the world was covered in water. The dominant civilizations during the Blue Age were peopled by progenitor Batrachi and aboleths.




Interesting. I suppose Auril dreams of the day when she can reset the time back to Ice Age.

Every beginning has an end.

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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

quote:
Originally posted by varyar


This Blue Age reminds me of Dark Sun's prehistory as I dimly recall it.
Well, Dark Sun is just Faerūn's distant future. They have a 'Tyr' region afterall. jk, of course.

So long as there's cannibalistic halflings in Toril's future... I'll be happy.

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Arivia
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As long as there's cannibalistic halflings in Toril's now I'll be happy.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Arivia

As long as there's cannibalistic halflings in Toril's now I'll be happy.

I've always been tempted to adapt the Jerren from 3e's Book of Vile Darkness for the Realms.

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Arivia
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Oh lord. Where? In the shadows of Westgate, scurrying about, ever-ready to take a bite of flesh from your heels?
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Oh lord. Where? In the shadows of Westgate, scurrying about, ever-ready to take a bite of flesh from your heels?

Well, it's said that Westgate's sewers are home to horrible monsters and nefarious critters.

Cannibalistic blood-lusting halflings could find purchase there.

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Those pesky halfling vermin are already dangerous, likely to steal your dagger then throw it into your back. Not as bad as kender, but not too far off.

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