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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 19:36:25
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If so what is the product of this type of union?
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 19:53:39
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| Concordant Killer (MMV). |
Edited by - Imp on 07 Jan 2012 19:54:12 |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 20:37:22
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Here is a list of planetouched species, here is a scroll which discusses varieties of cambions in the Realms, here is another which discusses half-fiends.
My opinion is that celestials and fiends are formed from the mutually-opposing belief-stuff of their planes, they are incompatible and cannot interbreed (assuming they'd ever want to). I also think that half-celestials and half-fiends cannot interbreed, perhaps also the aasimar and tieflings descended from them (whose outsider blood is much diluted).
A comparison might be elves and orcs, who cannot interbreed. Nor can half-elves with half-orcs.
Having said that, I distinctly recall seeing an image of a celestial-fiend halfbreed, a male warrior sort with a golden halo upon his brow, rainbow-feathered angelic wings, devilish horns, and a forked tail. It was definitely D&D artwork, or at least accurately mimicked D&D artwork - though I cannot recall his name nor affirm that it was WotC canon. He could have possibly even been a celestial or aasimar native to a "wild" plane like the Beastlands or Feywild. I should point out that a fair number of d20 books published by third-parties provided rulesets which encouraged all sorts of improbable inter-species unions.
Then again, the unspoken rule of the 2E Planescape setting was that anything you can imagine and everything impossible will exist somewhere on the infinite planes; there will be fantastic exceptions to every rule. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 20:41:37
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Jan 2012 : 21:27:38
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My opinion is that celestials and fiends are formed from the mutually-opposing belief-stuff of their planes, they are incompatible and cannot interbreed (assuming they'd ever want to). I also think that half-celestials and half-fiends cannot interbreed, perhaps also the aasimar and tieflings descended from them (whose outsider blood is much diluted).
I think you missed my post above. There is an official celestial-demon crosbreed in Monster Manual V named Concordant Killer. A neutral outsider that is the keeper of neutrality. He hunts celestials and fiends alike.
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The Shackled City adventure path may've had a celestial/demonic BBEG. I can't recall exactly. It may've been a fallen angel of some sort.
Fallen Deva, IIRC. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 05:05:17
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| Agreed, the Concordant Killer proves the possibility. |
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Immortalis
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 09:58:03
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| Just to point out the Concordant Killer is on page 34 of monster manual 4 not 5. |
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 16:56:49
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It proves it got put into a later MM, though of course so did yugoloths who didn't use the 'loth naming conventions or whose flavor text violated basic lore on their racial heirarchy. Not everything that gets put into print absolutely meshes with the body of lore on a given topic.
That said, I do think it's possible though something that should be so utterly rare to boggle the mind (such as procreation by a rising but still evil fiend and a celestial in the process of falling to evil). I don't like utterly excluding something when it comes to the planes. |
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Korginard
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 17:42:36
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Many legends sugest that Devils began from fallen angels. For that reason alone I can't think that Devil and Angel would be that incompatable. We also know for sure that Devils, Demons, and most types of Celestial beings are all compatable with humanoids. The simple answer would be that this sugests that they're compatable with one another as well.
So can it happen? Yes.
Would it happen? I believe so. Sure we can assume two radical indivduals would choose to mate. There are also many other circumstances that could result in a hybrid child, most of which can be acknowledged without discussing the specifics. |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Jan 2012 : 20:07:04
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I could see it happening a lot via force on the evil outsiders side against capture celestials...
But the concordant killer seem like they are resulted from artificial means rather than natural procreation....
I had another post asking who the major lord of neutrality are, it seems like concordant killers would fit that bill. |
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Can Celestials procreate with evil outsiders?
