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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 13 Jan 2012 : 10:26:52
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It more seems like they don't like having bastions of good anywhere in the realms, anymore.
Maybe because more and more people prefer the bad guys.
Or perhaps people just dont feel that there is such a clear cut distinction between the two sides anymore. I mean characters such as Riven were extremely popluar but you could hardly classify him as "good". |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Jan 2012 : 14:21:38
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Originally posted by Thauranil
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
It more seems like they don't like having bastions of good anywhere in the realms, anymore.
Maybe because more and more people prefer the bad guys.
Or perhaps people just dont feel that there is such a clear cut distinction between the two sides anymore. I mean characters such as Riven were extremely popluar but you could hardly classify him as "good".
Agreed. And it appears like that's the trend of fantasy these days, given that many of the most popular fantasy series today have "shady" heroes and villains alike, like the works of Rothfuss, Weeks, Erikson, and Martin. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jan 2012 : 21:20:10
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Originally posted by Thauranil
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
It more seems like they don't like having bastions of good anywhere in the realms, anymore.
Maybe because more and more people prefer the bad guys.
Or perhaps people just dont feel that there is such a clear cut distinction between the two sides anymore. I mean characters such as Riven were extremely popluar but you could hardly classify him as "good".
I prefer it this way, seems much more realistic to me. Paladins riding around in freshly polished armor saving maidens from monsters has been played out. |
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MrHedgehog
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Posted - 13 Jan 2012 : 21:37:40
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The Forgotten Realms is supposed to be a creation for people of all ages. When I was in junior high I did not see a problem with being a real, good hero. In an entire world there is certainly room for the genuinely good.
Drizzt is genuinely good and he seems to be the most popular character in the Forgotten Realms franchise. Also beings such as Eilistraee, Cadderly, and so forth seem to be the most widely available products. Even the tiniest book store has a Drizzt book and the Cleric quintet. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Jan 2012 : 13:41:28
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
The Forgotten Realms is supposed to be a creation for people of all ages. When I was in junior high I did not see a problem with being a real, good hero. In an entire world there is certainly room for the genuinely good.
True. But people change, and so do their tastes in fiction. The prevalence of shady characters are also apparent in different media, and pretty much popular. It's not just in fantasy novels. I see nothing wrong it. And if I may add, it's more realistic. There's a very thin line that separates good from evil. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Jan 2012 : 13:45:10
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Thauranil
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
It more seems like they don't like having bastions of good anywhere in the realms, anymore.
Maybe because more and more people prefer the bad guys.
Or perhaps people just dont feel that there is such a clear cut distinction between the two sides anymore. I mean characters such as Riven were extremely popluar but you could hardly classify him as "good".
I prefer it this way, seems much more realistic to me. Paladins riding around in freshly polished armor saving maidens from monsters has been played out.
As do I. Other than the fact that I detest paladins, there's a certain level of untruth in seeing someone continuously doing good from page one to last. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 16 Jan 2012 : 10:56:58
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
The Forgotten Realms is supposed to be a creation for people of all ages. When I was in junior high I did not see a problem with being a real, good hero. In an entire world there is certainly room for the genuinely good.
Drizzt is genuinely good and he seems to be the most popular character in the Forgotten Realms franchise. Also beings such as Eilistraee, Cadderly, and so forth seem to be the most widely available products. Even the tiniest book store has a Drizzt book and the Cleric quintet.
Sure everybody loves Drizzet but even he has grown up a bit and longer sees the world as black and white and Cadderly is more or less dead. So the times are a changing and i have to agree that it is certainly more realistic this way. The world is not black and white it is grey. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jan 2012 : 14:02:09
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What would Melegaunt do if he were alive and learned of Rivalen's matricide (before his other brothers would)? It wasn't mentioned in any sources that he was close to Alashar. Only Brennus was. But, I don't think he'd be happy to see his brothers ganging up on each other---which would likely be the case if they all knew. Would he help Brennus kill Rivalen, or try to pacify him to bury the truth forever? The latter sounds impossible, given Brennus's disposition. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Jun 2012 : 12:59:11
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What would Melegaunt do if he were alive and learned of Rivalen's matricide (before his other brothers would)? It wasn't mentioned in any sources that he was close to Alashar. Only Brennus was. But, I don't think he'd be happy to see his brothers ganging up on each other---which would likely be case if they all knew. Would he help Brennus kill Rivalen, or try to pacify him to bury the truth forever? The latter sounds impossible, given Brennus's disposition.
Melegaunt always seemed like the one with the most active conscience among all the brothers so frankly i think he would be horrified to know that the brother he looked up to was guilty of matricide. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Jun 2012 : 00:52:42
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Probably. Though I think he'd endeavor to keep it hidden from his other brothers, and try to convince Brennus to do the same.
Even if they both want to, killing Rivalen is not an option. Not only would they be disobeying their father, Rivalen has also risen to something that's beyond them now. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Jun 2012 : 14:50:58
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| I don't think that's really going to stop Brennus from trying though, frankly I am a bit surprised that he has waited this long. No doubt some plots are being hatched as we speak . |
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Dennis
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Posted - 15 Jun 2012 : 07:38:34
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Given the last excerpt that Paul shared, it looks like Brennus is practically powerless against his brother. So it's likely he'll eventually try to get allies to help him in his cause. Some of his brothers, if he'd dare defy his father. Or maybe...Mephistopheles himself. He once summoned him (albeit by accident), so he might be able to do it again. That is, if the archdevil deigns to be summoned. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 04 Jun 2013 : 14:04:16
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In another thread that also discusses the Tanthuls, I provided the complete list of all the princes’ names. Then I was reminded of this thread. And sorry, Rapha does not exist in canon. The twelfth prince is actually Malath, a rather forgettable prince—who briefly appeared in The Sorcerer and was killed by Vala (who was presumably given a ring or wand by any of the Chosen during their assault in Shade). |
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