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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 06 Jan 2004 : 20:57:53
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Hmmm, very interesting. Oh, and in response to Cyric, and I quote:
relgion is a powerful allie i dont know wich relgion is popular there but that is your best weapon and the old empire has it own inner foes that could be used to
I have only one thing to say; Unther, after Gilgeam's defeat by Tiamat. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun "Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 17:59:32
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Sorry its taken me so long to get back, my internet access is largely dependent on campus computers, particularly for a site that seems to require advanced hardware to run quickly (for some computers it can take a full minute just to change screens!).
In most instances, the gods don't care about mortal borders. The Old Empires are an exception, because of the competition between the Faerunian and Mulhorandi Pantheons. If the Mulhorandi Empire (a theocracy)conquers Unther, then Unther is absorbed within the Mulhorandi pantheons sphere of influence. Uniting Chessenta, therefore, can be a means to an end:limiting Mulhorandi expansion. In the case of Tiamat, her aspect as Tchazzar is virtually an embodiment of Chessentan nationalism. She would therefore have an interest in creating a united Chessenta heavily influenced (if not ruled outright) by the Church of Tchazzar untill she is ready to dispense with the pretense. I'll get back with more later. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2004 : 01:34:14
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Ah...that's interesting. Deities embodying national spirit and pride rather than race, or species, that would certainly reorder the FR Pantheon political map. And also, it would make for interesting potential conflict with other realms later...
I am intrigued, and wish to hear more...
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jan 2004 : 18:54:36
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I'll do what I can without the sourcebooks on hand:
The Church of "Tchazzar" is concentrated in Cimbar (the traditional "capitol" of Chessenta) and Sorrenar(sp). These are neighboring cities and traditional rivals. They are also the two largest cities in Chessenta. They are located in the western end of Chessenta. If these cities allied under Tchazzaran influence they could easily conquer Airspur, the westernmost city of Chessenta. This would enable them to control the entire northwest coast of Chessenta, as well as the northern and western shores of the Akanel(sp) lake.
The Karonok(sp) family rules Lucheq(sp),a large city (probably just behind Cimbar and Sorrenar)that is centrally located in Chessenta. Its sandwitched between Mordulken (the easternmost city in Chessenta) and Akanax (which is southeast of Sorrenar, and the only major city not located on the coast). When the time is right, Tiamat could easily arrange for Tchazzarrans to supplant the Karonak family and confederate with other cities.
All of this means that Tiamat has the potential in the near future to dominate three of the six largest cities in Chessenta. Under this scenario, Airspur would quickly fall without its traditional alliance with Sorrenar, leaving only two cities free of Tiamatan influence. I have to go to class now, so I'll pick up where I left off later. |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 16:55:56
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On a side note, if the Karonaks are exiled from Lucheq, Tiamat is likely to retain their cult in other lands to gain power from anti-magic hysteria. Its really a no-lose proposition for her.
Tiamat is currently one of the major powers involved in the (fractured) Untheric resistance movement. She is allied with Set in that endeavor.
The city of Akanax is smaller than many Chessentan cities, but its the military equivalent of Sparta. All male citizens are conscripted, and there is a HUGE permanent army camped outside that outnumbers the city residents by two-to-one (about 50,000 soilders). The city is controlled by King Hippartes(sp)and the Church of Hoar. Hippartes is recongnized as the greatest General in Chessenta, and served as Hoar's avatar during the Time of Troubles. Hoar has an obsessive vendetta against Anhur, the Mulhorandi God of War and whose Church was the instigator of the Mulhorandi invasion of Unther. Anhur seized the portfolio of Marduk, an Untheric Deity that had exiled Hoar (aka Assuran) from Unther and was subsequently destroyed by Hoar during the Godswar. To add insult to injury, many mercenaries that previously worshipped Hour switched allegiances to Anhur and defected to his side in the midst of a war engineered by Hoar to regain his place in Unther. This opens the door to an alliance with Tempus, a rival of Anhur for the title of God of War in Chessenta and Unther. Crusading Tempuran mercenaries fighting alongside the forces of Akanax would be a major obstacle against Mulhorandi expansion.
Hoar also has a somewhat precarious base of support in Mourktar, a city north of Messemprar(sp) and the dominant power in Thresk. The city used to be ruled by partisans of Hoar, but has recently become dominated by partisans of Bane (Mourktar is home to the largest Temple of Bane in Faerun, a fact that one would have thought warranted its inclusion in the FRCS map, but I guess not). This position enables the Church of Bane to play a major role in the Untheric resistance while consolidating their power in Mourktar. Bane also has a major Temple in Reth (a city just outside western Chessenta), through which he seeks to spread his influence into Chessenta. Bane and Tiamat are, needless to say, huge rivals in Chessenta and Unther.
That's the situation concerning the Evil and Nuetral divine partisans from the Faerunian Pantheon in the Old Empires. I'll have more about the forces of Good (Mystra and Selune) later. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2004 : 06:55:35
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Ah...I knew Set had to come into it sooner or later.
This is all very interesting lowtech...Mind if I steal borrow some of your ideas for my own Chessentan campaign, coming up in March...?
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 18:00:36
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quote: Originally posted by The Sage
Ah...I knew Set had to come into it sooner or later.
This is all very interesting lowtech...Mind if I steal borrow some of your ideas for my own Chessentan campaign, coming up in March...?
I don't mind at all, you can use (and alter) any of my ideas. |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 18:35:24
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I forgot to mention, the bandit leader/resistance fighter Furifax worships Tempus and has an alliance with the Tiamatan Church through Tiglath (who may choose to switch allegiences now that she realizes the true nature of Tiamat). If Tiglath switches allegiences, I think she would most likely defect to the Selunite, Mystran, or Hoar factions (in that order). Furifax is likely to eventually ally with whichever faction Tiglath supports (they have a long history together) though thats iffy (he is of lawful evil alignment). Selune is heavily involved in the Untheric resistance, primarily through resistance groups composed of former slaves (bringing her faction into inevitable opposition with the Banite and Tiamatan factions). Her main agent is mentioned in the Old Empires section of the FRCS.
Mystra is represented by the Northern Magicians that (precariously) rule the city of Messemprar(sp). She also has influence in Mordulkin, given the heavy concentration of magicians in that city. The Northern Magicians are seeking an alliance with the Selunite faction, which may invite the wrath of factions that support slavery.
The Thayans are providing material support to various factions: Any faction can probably work out an arrangement with someone in Thay,usually at the price of accomodating Thayan policies to a significant extent.
That's it for now. The potential political conspiracies (and betrayals) are endless! |
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