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BlackDragonKarameikos
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 15 Dec 2011 : 18:51:01
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Ok, this may not be a totally FR related question, but I could use the help of all the great scribes here in the great keep.
As you know, only the basic classes are defined in the ELH, none of the classes that came after the ELH have ever been discussed.
I have three classes I need help with, Dragonfire Adept (from Dragon Magic), Swordsage (from Tome of Battle), and Warlock (from Complete Arcane).
First off, I need to figure out how would someone Like a Dragonfire Adept or a Warlock go about creating Invocations at Epic Levels (or even at non-epic levels)? I was thinking they might follow similar rules as to how Arcane and Divine spellcasters go about creating Epic Spells.
Second, I need to figure out how a Sowrdsage or ANY of the martial classes from the ToB would go about creating Martial Maneuvers. Since the Maneuvers are affected by Magic Resistance and SR, I would think that using the Seeds for creating the Epic Spells would be a good idea.
ANY help that anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated. I have already come up with a few Epic levle feats for these classes by basing them off of the Feats used for Epic Spellcasters; althogh I may change them depending on the input I get from the scribes and sages here.
I look forward to hearing what you lords nad ladies have to say.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 : 19:08:40
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While we do obviously have some rules-savvy folks on this site who will be glad to assist, it may also be worthwhile to ask these same questions on the Wizards boards. They have a much larger number of rules-savvy folks who could help with this. Between both sites, I'm sure you'll get some useful stuff.  |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Dec 2011 : 23:03:57
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Ok, I don't have a lot of time so I'm going to make this sorta short. To start with Warlocks and Epic Invocations, first we have to look at Dark Invocations since that's the highest level obtainable for them. With that accomplished, it'll be easy to see what sort of spells they're re-creating. One important note is that Invocations are at-will powers, meaning there is no real duration in terms of Days. A Warlock can use invocations as much as he wishes. So I wouldn't go any higher than say.....8th level equivolent spells from the Wizard/Sorcerer spell-list. And I'd make them pay a large sum of gold for researching these invocations. Possibly even extracting a XP or Con-score as an added sacrifice for such power. The same sort of penalties and restrictions can easily be applied to DFAs (Dragon Fire Adepts).
When looking at Martial Classes (ToB), it's also a good idea to note that their maneuvers have a recovery mechanic mid-battle. One thing should be done is to limit this mechanic for Epic Maneuvers. I'd also say No to Epic Stances unless it's heavily balanced. My knowledge of Epic Spells and how they function is heavily limited however, and this is the best I can do with the few minutes I can devote for the time being. MOre to come when I get a second glance. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 16 Dec 2011 : 01:07:19
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
While we do obviously have some rules-savvy folks on this site who will be glad to assist, it may also be worthwhile to ask these same questions on the Wizards boards. They have a much larger number of rules-savvy folks who could help with this. Between both sites, I'm sure you'll get some useful stuff.
I'd try at EN World as well. I've noticed a great many Epic-rules-related questions being asked there recently, with plenty of input from other forum members. |
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BlackDragonKarameikos
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Dec 2011 : 19:25:43
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| I would go to the Wizard Site Wooly, but every time I try to log in they keep telling me I ama using the wrong log-in info; Even though I KNOW I'm using the right info. |
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BlackDragonKarameikos
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Dec 2011 : 19:35:58
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Originally posted by Diffan
Ok, I don't have a lot of time so I'm going to make this sorta short. To start with Warlocks and Epic Invocations, first we have to look at Dark Invocations since that's the highest level obtainable for them. With that accomplished, it'll be easy to see what sort of spells they're re-creating. One important note is that Invocations are at-will powers, meaning there is no real duration in terms of Days. A Warlock can use invocations as much as he wishes. So I wouldn't go any higher than say.....8th level equivolent spells from the Wizard/Sorcerer spell-list. And I'd make them pay a large sum of gold for researching these invocations. Possibly even extracting a XP or Con-score as an added sacrifice for such power. The same sort of penalties and restrictions can easily be applied to DFAs (Dragon Fire Adepts).
When looking at Martial Classes (ToB), it's also a good idea to note that their maneuvers have a recovery mechanic mid-battle. One thing should be done is to limit this mechanic for Epic Maneuvers. I'd also say No to Epic Stances unless it's heavily balanced. My knowledge of Epic Spells and how they function is heavily limited however, and this is the best I can do with the few minutes I can devote for the time being. MOre to come when I get a second glance.
Well Diffan I have actually come up with a few epic feats for the three classes, and was thinking of posting them and getting the input of the scribes and sages as well, see what they thought and see what about the feats might need to be changed. |
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