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Dennis
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 Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 17:24:01
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I gather everyone watched the movie and remembers the major details? If not, you may read the storyline below (copied from imdb.com), or click the link for more info.
Some Realmsian races are probably practicing it, or something like it. So I'd focus on humans instead. Which realm (whose greater population is humans) do you think would most likely embrace the Equilibrium system? And which class would act as The Grammaton Cleric? Wizards, monks, or priests? What effects would the system have to the neighboring realms? How long do you surmise it stays before it (as almost all systems do) collapses and is replaced by another?
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Storyline:
In a futuristic world, a strict regime has eliminated war by suppressing emotions: books, art and music are strictly forbidden and feeling is a crime punishable by death. Cleric John Preston (Bale) is a top ranking government agent responsible for destroying those who resist the rules. Whe he misses a dose of Prozium, a mind-altering drug that hinders emotion, Preston, who has been trained to enforce the strict laws of the new regime, suddenly becomes the only person capable of overthrowing it.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 19:07:02
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| Going from the storyline, I don't see this happening in the Realms. I don't see a reason for such a thing to be done, or a method. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 19:24:46
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The reason why the system was created: human from the not so distant future think that the reason chaos and wars happen is emotion---anger, hate, wrath. Without emotion, people can live in peace. Or so they believe.
Equilibrium would most likely be practiced by a realm that has had its more than enough share of civil and "international" wars and is damn sick and tired of it.
This system may even be exploited by some selfish group or individual who wishes to seize and control a territory. "Peaceful" people (which everyone under Equilibrium will be) are the ones that get easily manipulated. |
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Edited by - Dennis on 05 Dec 2011 19:27:10 |
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Varl
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 19:37:26
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Originally posted by Dennis
The reason why the system was created: human from the not so distant future think that the reason chaos and wars happen is emotion---anger, hate, wrath. Without emotion, people can live in peace. Or so they believe.
The people of Miranda seemed to have thought the same thing when they introduced G-23 paxilon hydrochlorate (Pax) into the air processors in the show Serenity. Removal of emotions didn't turn out so well for those poor folk. |
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Edited by - Varl on 05 Dec 2011 19:37:44 |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 21:54:35
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Originally posted by Varl
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Originally posted by Dennis
The reason why the system was created: human from the not so distant future think that the reason chaos and wars happen is emotion---anger, hate, wrath. Without emotion, people can live in peace. Or so they believe.
The people of Miranda seemed to have thought the same thing when they introduced G-23 paxilon hydrochlorate (Pax) into the air processors in the show Serenity. Removal of emotions didn't turn out so well for those poor folk.
Pretty sure it wasn't the people on-planet that intro'ed the Pax. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 21:59:28
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Originally posted by Dennis
The reason why the system was created: human from the not so distant future think that the reason chaos and wars happen is emotion---anger, hate, wrath. Without emotion, people can live in peace. Or so they believe.
Equilibrium would most likely be practiced by a realm that has had its more than enough share of civil and "international" wars and is damn sick and tired of it.
This system may even be exploited by some selfish group or individual who wishes to seize and control a territory. "Peaceful" people (which everyone under Equilibrium will be) are the ones that get easily manipulated.
But in the Realms, they're still, diplomatically and cultural speaking, in a mindset that war is an acceptable aspect of geopolitical relations. War is not regarded all that negatively. Thus, I don't see any nations in the Realms wanting to do this.
And I also don't see a way this could be implemented in the Realms. There simply isn't the widespread level of control, of any sort, in any nation, that would be necessary for this system. |
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Varl
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 22:09:26
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Pretty sure it wasn't the people on-planet that intro'ed the Pax.
Hmmm. I thought for sure she mentioned in her last video recording that "We added...".
Yep, found it:
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Dr. Caron: These are just a few of the images we've recorded. And you can see, it wasn't what we thought. There's been no war here and no terraforming event. The environment is stable. It's the Pax. The G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate that we added to the air processors. It was supposed to calm the population, weed out aggression. Well, it works. The people here stopped fighting. And then they stopped everything else. They stopped going to work, they stopped breeding, talking, eating. There's 30 million people here, and they all just let themselves die.
Anyway, as for Realms relevance, I don't see it happening in the Realms, at least not technologically. Magically, it might be possible to spread a worldwide agent capable of implanting docility to the masses, but that imo would definitely be an RSE however it were achieved. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 : 00:18:13
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Originally posted by Varl
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Pretty sure it wasn't the people on-planet that intro'ed the Pax.
Hmmm. I thought for sure she mentioned in her last video recording that "We added...".
Yep, found it:
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Dr. Caron: These are just a few of the images we've recorded. And you can see, it wasn't what we thought. There's been no war here and no terraforming event. The environment is stable. It's the Pax. The G-23 Paxilon Hydrochlorate that we added to the air processors. It was supposed to calm the population, weed out aggression. Well, it works. The people here stopped fighting. And then they stopped everything else. They stopped going to work, they stopped breeding, talking, eating. There's 30 million people here, and they all just let themselves die.
Note: the late Doctor had travelled there via a spacecraft, and was reporting back to the central government (who we know did not wanting that info getting out, once they knew what happened). This points to this having been an Alliance decision, not something decided by the natives. 
Ditto with "the people here" instead of saying something like "everyone else but me" or even just "most of us".
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Anyway, as for Realms relevance, I don't see it happening in the Realms, at least not technologically. Magically, it might be possible to spread a worldwide agent capable of implanting docility to the masses, but that imo would definitely be an RSE however it were achieved.
I'm not sure it could be done without divine assistance, and even then, I think it's unlikely -- too many deities have too much to do with various emotions and that which springs from them. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 06 Dec 2011 00:19:30 |
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Quale
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 : 06:31:24
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Shar doesn't like emotions, her dogma speaks they cause pain, so it's possible in the city of Shade
or in Kara-Tur, you could have a Path of Enlightenment school similar to the Dustmen of Planescape (who want to get rid of emotions to achieve ''Nirvana'') |
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Dennis
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 : 06:48:52
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Originally posted by Quale
Shar doesn't like emotions, her dogma speaks they cause pain, so it's possible in the city of Shade
Maybe Shar's clerics are the perfect examples. However, it's a bit unlikely that the Shadovar would implement the system. They're driven by too much emotions.
Perhaps in Thay. Szass Tam lost his humanity long time ago, and what's left of his "emotions" (if we can call them that) are rather vestiges of his past life. He has the power and ability to implement the system realms-wide. As for the reason, well, the more docile the population is, the easier it is for him to control them. |
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Edited by - Dennis on 06 Dec 2011 06:50:40 |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 : 10:56:07
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Shar doesn't like emotions, her dogma speaks they cause pain, so it's possible in the city of Shade
True, but without emotion, you won't feel loss -- which Shar is all about. |
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