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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 18:04:45
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Thought this was interesting news: Monte Cook is back, working for WotC. He is taking over Mearls' column, and will be involved with their R&D.
http://wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20110920
Makes me wonder how this will affect 4E, and if it might have some subsequent effects on the Realms.
I'm kinda excited and happy about it, I've always liked Monte's work.
EDIT: oops, I meant to put this under the D&D general heading. 
Mod edit: relocated. 
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 21 Sep 2011 19:06:54
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 18:09:42
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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2131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 18:56:43
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| This is an interesting development. He is an excellent designer. From what Matt has said, the design team behind the Realms now is trying to repair some of the damage that was done. I think will help the Realms more than hiring Monte back. Not that I am sorry to hear that he is back there. It will be interesting to see which, if any, repercussions there will be. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 19:09:34
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Thanks Woolykins!
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 19:26:58
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Originally posted by Hawkins
This is an interesting development. He is an excellent designer.
He really is. I loved a lot of the things he did for 3E, as well as Arcana Unearthed. I hear that Gygax really liked his work also, which has to be one of the coolest things a designer can hear.
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From what Matt has said, the design team behind the Realms now is trying to repair some of the damage that was done. I think will help the Realms more than hiring Monte back. Not that I am sorry to hear that he is back there. It will be interesting to see which, if any, repercussions there will be.
Primarily, I think his influence will be on the game itself, but it could have strong influences on the Realms depending on what kinds of things happen. What if they returned more to a pure Vancian magic? I don't particularly like the Vance style, but it's a possibility. Truthfully, I'd like to see Vancian magic get removed entirely. Even in 4E, there are remnants of that "need to memorize" deal. And Monte did originally have roots at Iron Crown, which made Rolemaster and MERP, which were about as non-Vancian as one can get.
Anyway, I'm really looking forward to what might happen. Trickle-down effects are probably inevitable, but if they're really good and the "Realms team" also fixes a lot of the changes I didn't like, I might become a "regular customer" again. As it is now, I've bought next to nothing in 4E, just a couple novels since 4E's release. And I miss that.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 19:31:00
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Is he also going to write novels for the Realms again? |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 19:33:54
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Originally posted by Dennis
Is he also going to write novels for the Realms again?
I know he wrote a couple short stories that appear in anthologies, but I don't think he wrote novels. He's more of an R&D rules guy.
That said, he did say a while back that he was interested in writing more fiction, so who knows? Might be possible.
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Daviot
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 19:37:14
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Dennis
Is he also going to write novels for the Realms again?
I know he wrote a couple short stories that appear in anthologies, but I don't think he wrote novels. He's more of an R&D rules guy.
That said, he did say a while back that he was interested in writing more fiction, so who knows? Might be possible.
He wrote a Realms novel, The Glass Prison, [which is in my To-Read stacks]. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 19:53:20
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Originally posted by Dennis
He wrote a Realms novel, The Glass Prison, [which is in my To-Read stacks].
Oh, cool. I didn't know about that one. Nice!
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 20:39:06
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Dennis
Is he also going to write novels for the Realms again?
I know he wrote a couple short stories that appear in anthologies, but I don't think he wrote novels. He's more of an R&D rules guy.
That said, he did say a while back that he was interested in writing more fiction, so who knows? Might be possible.
He wrote a Realms novel, The Glass Prison, [which is in my To-Read stacks].
The Glass Prison was a fun, easy-to-read book. I think he wrote another realms novel too, but the title escapes me. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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4460 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 20:45:39
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Originally posted by Therise
Makes me wonder how this will affect 4E, and if it might have some subsequent effects on the Realms.
Actually, I think it means another edition is in the works for 2014 or possibly even as early as 2013. Now I'm a 4E fan, like most of the products and all that but the market has become really saturated in the last 3 years. It makes sense that they'd start development on a new edition of the game. Question is, will others enjoy it?
Time can only tell really, but here's hoping that if they do decide to release a new edition that it's intriguing, NOT called 5E, and balanced enough that players of all classes can contribute to the action without being required to be spellcasters. Those are my biggest fears honestly. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 20:52:10
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Originally posted by entreri3478
I think he wrote another realms novel too, but the title escapes me.
Nope. He only wrote one. You might be thinking of another Cook---DAVID, who wrote The Empires Trilogy. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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3131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 20:54:18
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Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by Therise
Makes me wonder how this will affect 4E, and if it might have some subsequent effects on the Realms.
Actually, I think it means another edition is in the works for 2014 or possibly even as early as 2013. Now I'm a 4E fan, like most of the products and all that but the market has become really saturated in the last 3 years. It makes sense that they'd start development on a new edition of the game. Question is, will others enjoy it?
Time can only tell really, but here's hoping that if they do decide to release a new edition that it's intriguing, NOT called 5E, and balanced enough that players of all classes can contribute to the action without being required to be spellcasters. Those are my biggest fears honestly.
What bothers me is that every time a new edition of Dungeons & Dragons is released, a player needs to purchase the material all over again. I can understand the release of a new version which is attempting to fix problems with its predecessor, but the steady release of new editions every 5 years or so is just an attempt to bleed the customers dry. How much are game manuals liek the Player's Handbook going for now? $30-40? This gets expensive quickly. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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3131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 20:57:35
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by entreri3478
I think he wrote another realms novel too, but the title escapes me.
Nope. He only wrote one. You might be thinking of another Cook---DAVID, who wrote The Empires Trilogy.
That's right! I think he wrote Soldiers of Ice too. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 22:13:57
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5E Coming soon to a game store near you.
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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2131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 22:33:19
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Originally posted by Brimstone
5E Coming soon to a game store near you.
Lol. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Diffan
Great Reader
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4460 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 01:46:00
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God ihope its not called 5th Edition! Something like Ultimate Dungeons and Dragons or something like that. And if the mechanics are to my liking then ill buy. it.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 01:59:04
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Let's try to keep the negative and/or speculative thoughts re: 5e to a minimum, eh?
There's still a great deal of anti-4e feeling around here at Candlekeep, and I don't really think we need to add unsubstantiated rumours about a possible 5e to the mix. |
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Dark Wizard
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 02:11:12
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Originally posted by Diffan
God ihope its not called 5th Edition! Something like Ultimate Dungeons and Dragons or something like that. And if the mechanics are to my liking then ill buy. it.
Hehe, then they might do the opposite of Microsoft with Windows going from named editions (XP, Vista) to numbers (Windows 7).
D&D 3e, 4E, now... D&D __ .
Maybe D&D V. |
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Shemmy
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 02:22:37
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I'm already rather invested in playing Pathfinder as system of choice, so odds are I won't be that interested in any forthcoming 5e from WotC (that presumably Monte is on board to work on). However, if they decide to step back and reverse course on a number of elements that didn't work out so well for them in 4e, I can hope that 5e might reverse course with regards to 4e FR and bring a 5e FR prior to the forced inclusion of all of the 4e'isms, Spellplague, and timeline jump.
Not that interested in a core 5e game, but that sort of 5e FR, that I would oh so happily buy. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 05:43:43
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| Monte Cook is always an excellent playstyle. As are Monty Hall, Monty Haul, Monty Python, Monte Carlo, Monte Cristo, and Montezuma. Just can't go wrong with Monty/Monte. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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3290 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 15:00:53
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I really didn't mean for that post to bash or hate on WotC, hence the !
If I wanted to hate I would just quote someone from the 4E Gereral thread: "Get ready for trap feats and useless system mastery..."
Bravo for Monte going back to WotC.
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 15:53:11
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| Considering the secrecy about the runup to 4E, I think that if they were hiring Mr. Cook back to work on 5E, they'd be very quiet about it. The fact that it's so readily known makes me think that whatever he's working on, it's not a new edition. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 16:23:05
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Monte Cook is always an excellent playstyle. As are Monty Hall, Monty Haul, Monty Python, Monte Carlo, Monte Cristo, and Montezuma. Just can't go wrong with Monty/Monte.
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 21:14:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Considering the secrecy about the runup to 4E, I think that if they were hiring Mr. Cook back to work on 5E, they'd be very quiet about it. The fact that it's so readily known makes me think that whatever he's working on, it's not a new edition.
Ah, but knowing that we'd know they'd know that we'd know, the red herring is actually blue!
You know?
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Brimstone
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 23:28:16
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WotC is trying to use Monte to draw 3E/Pathfinder players back to the "mothership"...
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 15:13:28
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Originally posted by Brimstone
WotC is trying to use Monte to draw 3E/Pathfinder players back to the "mothership"...
IMNSHO
Yea, that's probably not going to happen. Many people have swarn off WotC no matter what they do from this moment onward. But who knows? Maybe people can put their dislikes of one edition if the next appeals to them more?
For my own hopes and desires, if they are planning a new Edition then I just hope it's fun and balanced. Maybe not so balanced to the extent of 4E but enought so that both casters, limited-casters, and non-casters can contribute to the game at all levels of play.
But, again, I feel if there is going to be a change in D&D (which everyone knows will happen at some point) then I hope it doesn't come around for a few more years at least.
Sorry Sage for keeping the edition-questions running, but I don't think the conversation has been that bad or at least there isn't any "warring" going on now! |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 17:00:12
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| I doubt that many people would find their interest renewed in any existing game system just because a specific designer gets onboard. I've certainly checked out some supplements because they came from specific designers, but I've never been interested in a ruleset just because of a designer. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 23:35:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I doubt that many people would find their interest renewed in any existing game system just because a specific designer gets onboard. I've certainly checked out some supplements because they came from specific designers, but I've never been interested in a ruleset just because of a designer.
Agreed.
Though, I've certainly purchased supplements written by a favourite designer for a rules-set that I might not otherwise be all that interested in.
I like to do this, simply because I'd expect the supplement to maintain the personal quirks of the favoured designer -- and, perhaps, even potentially bring in qualities from the overall rules-set that I might find some use for. |
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