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Fellfire
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 Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 04:38:41
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So I know from reading many of the posts here that a lot of Scribes disliked the Twilight series. I just watched all of the movies back to back. I also read all of the books, and while I may not have liked the fact that they were written from the POV of a teenage girl, I enjoyed them nevertheless. As a necrophile and lover of all things vampire, I thought that the books and movies were an original, creative and inventive take on the vampire/werewolf mythos. I especially liked the way the wolves were portrayed in the films. Am I alone in this? Can't Stephenie Meyer get any appreciation for her work? It's nice to see a sci-fi geek turned millionaire.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36963 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 10:53:37
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I can't say whether I like or dislike the books/films, because I've simply never had the urge to read/see them.
I've most enthusiasticly avoided them. I'm not a fan of the "sexy vampire" trend in general. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 11:07:42
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My wife has read the books and dragged me to see the movies, but I can't really say they're bad. It's just another spin on Vampires and Werewolves. Nothing more really. It must appeal to a certain sort for it to be as popular as it has become. The fight scenes and supernatural abilities are pretty good in the movies, and they're not horribly written either.
Besides, the history of Vampires has always sparked some sort of tortured romance, dark heroic fantasy, and "cool to be the bad guy" type vibe for a long long time. It's a main reason why, in RPGs espically, there is so much desire for those kinds of abilities to be available to PCs. The Dhampir/half-vampire of v3.5, the vampire bloodline traits of v3.5, the vampire heritage feats of 4E, an actual vampire class for 4E.... |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 12:29:09
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| I have happily just limited to critisize it with enthusiasm together with my gf, who, happily for me despises that saga with all her heart. We quite pray each night so they leave Buffy, Spike and Blade loose through the Twilight world so they have some vampire bloody squishy fun. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 17:54:43
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I enjoyed reading all the novels and watching all the films (and I'm looking forward to Breaking Dawn, Part 1 this year[/i]). I'm not a big fan of 1st POV, but it worked well in this series. I like that Meyer turned the vampires into some kind of mutants, giving most of them special powers---I specially like Jane, who showed that illusion could be as deadly as the real thing. Plus Dakota Fanning played the role perfectly. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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2131 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 19:54:42
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At first glance I thought that this scroll might be about Fox-at-Twilight (for whom many scribes have love, or at least lust).
As it is not, then what I have to comment is that I found the acting (except by the kid who played Jacob and the guy who played Bella's dad) in the first two films overall atrocious. The other thing that majorly turns me off about this series is that the vampires sparkle. That just doesn't make sense to me. They don't necessarily need to vape at the first touch of sunlight, but sparkle? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36963 Posts |
Posted - 12 Aug 2011 : 23:55:43
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Originally posted by Hawkins
At first glance I thought that this scroll might be about Fox-at-Twilight (for whom many scribes have love, or at least lust).
As it is not, then what I have to comment is that I found the acting (except by the kid who played Jacob and the guy who played Bella's dad) in the first two films overall atrocious. The other thing that majorly turns me off about this series is that the vampires sparkle. That just doesn't make sense to me. They don't necessarily need to vape at the first touch of sunlight, but sparkle?
I'd often heard about this sparkle, but since I avoided the movies, I didn't know if it was literal or an exaggeration... It's a literal sparkle? |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 00:46:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'd often heard about this sparkle, but since I avoided the movies, I didn't know if it was literal or an exaggeration... It's a literal sparkle?
Lol. Yep. Just do a Google Image search for "Edward Sparkle" and see what turns up. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 03:11:19
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Sparkling is better than burning under the sun. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 04:12:06
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Originally posted by Dennis
Sparkling is better than burning under the sun.
Burning under the sun would likely be a fate preferable to the one that befell Jander Sunstar in RAVENLOFT.
[From what we know... Jander wanted to die in rays of the sun at the end of Vampire of the Mists. However, the Mists of Ravenloft snatched him away before he could be burned, determined to keep him alive in his tortured existence.] |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 04:31:45
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Originally posted by Dennis
Sparkling is better than burning under the sun.
I would be okay if the nothing happened to the vampires in sunlight in the Twilight series. Some of the older RW vampire lore does not include burning up in sunlight. However, sparkling is a silly mechanic to romanticize vampires for tweenage girls and middle-aged women. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 04:36:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Dennis
Sparkling is better than burning under the sun.
Burning under the sun would likely be a fate preferable to the one that befell Jander Sunstar in RAVENLOFT.
[From what we know... Jander wanted to die in rays of the sun at the end of Vampire of the Mists. However, the Mists of Ravenloft snatched him away before he could be burned, determined to keep him alive in his tortured existence.]
No doubt. But between sparkling with shards of diamonds and burning under the sun's caress, I guess we agree which one is better?
I heard several people complaining about the sparkle, even Meyer's fans. However, it's important to take into account that she has two purposes for doing that. First, to add more beauty to those undead creatures. And second, to avoid the inconvenience of making them walk only at night---the Cullens wouldn't have been able to go to school, and all scenes would have been literally dark... Despite the dark fatasy themes, it's still a romantic series in every sense. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 05:22:48
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by Dennis
Sparkling is better than burning under the sun.
I would be okay if the nothing happened to the vampires in sunlight in the Twilight series. Some of the older RW vampire lore does not include burning up in sunlight. However, sparkling is a silly mechanic to romanticize vampires for tweenage girls and middle-aged women.
Of course it is, and it's probably a big reason why it's selling so well and making (what 4 now?) movies. I think it's an interesting twist as the whole "Ah, NO! SUNLIGHT!!!!! *turn into mist* which is just so cliché IMO. I don't think the series is horrible (movie wise, haven't read the books) and it seems to be popular. Nothing really wrong with that I guess. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 06:11:44
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It's nice to see a sci-fi geek turned millionaire.
Indeed it is. One of the reasons for her success is her excellent editor. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 06:21:45
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Originally posted by Hawkins
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Originally posted by Dennis
Sparkling is better than burning under the sun.
I would be okay if the nothing happened to the vampires in sunlight in the Twilight series. Some of the older RW vampire lore does not include burning up in sunlight. However, sparkling is a silly mechanic to romanticize vampires for tweenage girls and middle-aged women.
Of course it is, and it's probably a big reason why it's selling so well and making (what 4 now?) movies. I think it's an interesting twist as the whole "Ah, NO! SUNLIGHT!!!!! *turn into mist* which is just so cliché IMO. I don't think the series is horrible (movie wise, haven't read the books) and it seems to be popular. Nothing really wrong with that I guess.
Following the move of the Harry Potter producers, they'll be making two movies for the fourth book, Breaking Dawn. Which is just fair, I believe, since the novel is really long and it's a shame to leave a lot of details. I'm excited to see Bella's daughter. And I hope that in the movie, they'll make the Volturi confrontation a real fight. 'Tis a pity to assemble groups of powerful beings only to have them stare at each other...
Part 2 of the movie will be showing next year. There's also a rumor going around that they would also make a movie adaption of Bree's novella, and that Meyer is planning to write a novel about the Volturi. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 06:38:49
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Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 07:18:26
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I would love to see a Volturi novel. I especially like Felix and, of course, Jane.
Of course! I forgot about Felix! |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
452 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 07:28:30
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 07:33:46
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It seems good for people who like fairies
Yep, love them too. Quicklings, Redcaps, Nightshades. I'm not sure if that was meant to be an insult or not.
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Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Joran Nobleheart
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 07:56:07
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Dennis
Sparkling is better than burning under the sun.
Burning under the sun would likely be a fate preferable to the one that befell Jander Sunstar in RAVENLOFT.
[From what we know... Jander wanted to die in rays of the sun at the end of Vampire of the Mists. However, the Mists of Ravenloft snatched him away before he could be burned, determined to keep him alive in his tortured existence.]
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 07:58:45
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It seems good for people who like fairies
I disagree. I was never fond of fairies. I don't dislike them, either. They're simply not that interesting to me, except perhaps Tinkerbell, and that's because she's mostly naughty. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 11:33:46
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If you ignore all the girlish stuff, fey are one of the interesting monster types. I usually avoid urban fantasy and from what I've heard of this novel, not for my taste. Same goes for Harry Potter.
It seems to me that in A Dance of Dragons GRRM copied Twilight with the Daenerys-Daario relationship, found it extremely annoying and sickening. |
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AdamBridger
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 12:15:33
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I have to admit that i have never read any of the books. I have seen the films and didn't care for them (Long smouldering looks at each with the occasional bit of acting) - but then again i dont exactly fit the target audience of the series.
It was though an interesting new take on vampire stories though as it offers something almost completely new and does not simply rehash old ideas. In a way it reminds me of the refreshing take on vampires that Buffy The Vampire Slayer was way back in 1997.
Hopefully in time people who were introduced to vampire stories through Twilight will look for other novels by different authors and maybe find books by authors such as PN Elrod etc. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 12:25:30
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Meyer "improved" vampires, and it was time that someone dared. Vampire-centric novels keep on recycling idea with little to no new ones added to it. Meyer's innovation is a breath of fresh air. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36963 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 14:18:26
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I prefer my vampires to be like Dracula. Maybe attractive and charming, but monsters underneath. For me, that's the appeal of vampires: inhuman monsters disconnected from their former humanity, yet reliant on and moving thru human society. It's that juxtaposition that makes them interesting.
In my opinion, doing anything that brings vampires closer to humanity simply removes that which makes vampires interesting. They become fanged humans with a few different abilities. Might as well call them something else at that point, because you've removed the mystique from them.
I have no problem with putting different spins on vampirism -- I like the different courts of vampires in the Dresdenverse, for example. He makes his vampires different and interesting, yet retains the essential connected-yet-disconnected nature of them. To me, he does a nifty job of spinning them differently without making them a different breed of humans. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 15:09:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I have no problem with putting different spins on vampirism -- I like the different courts of vampires in the Dresdenverse, for example. He makes his vampires different and interesting, yet retains the essential connected-yet-disconnected nature of them. To me, he does a nifty job of spinning them differently without making them a different breed of humans.
I actually took quite a liking to Butcher's interpretation of the vampire courts in the Dresdenverse. It does remind me very much of the vampire houses in the old Wetworks series from Image Comics -- another unexpected, but worthwhile exploration of the more stereotypical vampire courts. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 15:24:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I prefer my vampires to be like Dracula. Maybe attractive and charming, but monsters underneath. For me, that's the appeal of vampires: inhuman monsters disconnected from their former humanity, yet reliant on and moving thru human society. It's that juxtaposition that makes them interesting.
You would still find that "juxtaposition" in the Twilight saga. It's a common misconception by many people, especially those who never read the novels, that Meyer's vampires are good-aligned, too human. Others managed to change their "diet" to a less harmless one, but most of them are still monsters in every way. Meet the Volturi and dine with them, and you'll find out what exactly it is that they do to unsuspecting "tourists." |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 15:28:57
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I prefer my vampires to be like Dracula. Maybe attractive and charming, but monsters underneath. For me, that's the appeal of vampires: inhuman monsters disconnected from their former humanity, yet reliant on and moving thru human society. It's that juxtaposition that makes them interesting.
You would still find that "juxtaposition" in the Twilight saga. It's a common misconception by many people, especially those who never read the novels, that Meyer's vampires are good-aligned, too human. Others managed to change their "diet" to a less harmless one, but most of them are still monsters in every way. Meet the Volturi and dine with them, and you'll find out what exactly it is that they do to unsuspecting "tourists."
If it's a misconception, it's because of things like having (assumably) centuries-old vampires deciding to go to high school and pick up high school girls. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 15:48:51
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
If it's a misconception, it's because of things like having (assumably) centuries-old vampires deciding to go to high school and pick up high school girls.
You're looking at a tiny hill instead of a world. That hardly captures the saga. Edward never meant to "pick up" high school girls. His attraction to Bella was unforeseen (even by his “diviner” sister) and unexpected. His siblings aggressively discouraged him not to get closer to her. Call it an irresistible pull of love, if you want.
Their going to high school was also a must. Carlisle wanted his family to live a quasi-normal life. His “children” looked too young to be working in any company. He preferred their disguise as students. Naturally, since people would notice that they didn't age, they would transfer from one place to another.
There are two types of vampires in this series... Those who still wanted to cling to what's left of their humanity---a very tiny shred, that is, and those who happily embraced their undead, parasitic state. |
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AdamBridger
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 16:18:18
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| Is it your opinion Dennis that for some people the success of the Twilight movies has in some way detracted from the novels and perhaps have made people like me slightly reluctant to try the novels? In other words how closely do the films match the books and what is better - the films or the novels? |
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