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Dennis
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 Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 17:14:46
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
Is it your opinion Dennis that for some people the success of the Twilight movies has in some way detracted from the novels and perhaps have made people like me slightly reluctant to try the novels? In other words how closely do the films match the books and what is better - the films or the novels?
The novels are way better. The films are decent adaptations, but often suffer from the not-so-good acting by some of the main cast.
Character development is the books' greatest strength. Some scenes in the movies, especially Eclipse, are mere glimpses of what are marvelously detailed in the novels, like the background of Rosalie, Emmet, Alice and Jasper. |
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Eltheron
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 18:13:59
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Originally posted by Dennis
The novels are way better. The films are decent adaptations, but often suffer from the not-so-good acting by some of the main cast.
Character development is the books' greatest strength. Some scenes in the movies, especially Eclipse, are mere glimpses of what are marvelously detailed in the novels, like the background of Rosalie, Emmet, Alice and Jasper.
ROFLMAO, you have either GOT to be kidding or you're trying to be humorously ironic. Twilight is some of the most poorly written drivel ever to have been published. Meyer also has some kind of sick wish-fulfillment for emotional abuse going on, where she's inserted Bella for herself. All of the characters are one-dimensional. It's tripe for teens in a pretty package, pure and simple.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine if you enjoy tripe. There are a few books out there (although not Twilight) I like that are plain and simply awful, badly written garbage fiction. But don't for one minute attempt to say that Meyer's books are any good! That's like saying McDonald's is akin to 5-star restaurant cuisine. There's a place for burgers with bad nutrition, but they are in no way fine dining.
Twilight is Simply Awful
http://www.squidoo.com/twilight-sucks
More Reasons why Twilight Completely Sucks
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Bella as a self-insert for Meyer
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/twilight-series/forum/post/40616/title/twilight-extremely-poorly-written
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 18:33:12
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 18:37:57
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Originally posted by Eltheron
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Originally posted by Dennis
The novels are way better. The films are decent adaptations, but often suffer from the not-so-good acting by some of the main cast.
Character development is the books' greatest strength. Some scenes in the movies, especially Eclipse, are mere glimpses of what are marvelously detailed in the novels, like the background of Rosalie, Emmet, Alice and Jasper.
ROFLMAO, you have either GOT to be kidding or you're trying to be humorously ironic. Twilight is some of the most poorly written drivel ever to have been published. Meyer also has some kind of sick wish-fulfillment for emotional abuse going on, where she's inserted Bella for herself. All of the characters are one-dimensional. It's tripe for teens in a pretty package, pure and simple.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine if you enjoy tripe. There are a few books out there (although not Twilight) I like that are plain and simply awful, badly written garbage fiction. But don't for one minute attempt to say that Meyer's books are any good! That's like saying McDonald's is akin to 5-star restaurant cuisine. There's a place for burgers with bad nutrition, but they are in no way fine dining.
Did you even read the books?
Before you pass judgement on a literary work, be sure you read it first. It's preposterous to just go with what others say without bothering to know the reason behind it. I don't know what kind of garbage books you read, and trust me, I'm not interested to know. However, don't for one second PRESUME to DICTATE others to say what's good or not. |
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 18:38:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Let's try to be a little more respectful of each other's opinions, please. To each his own, and all that.
Perhaps I should've said, "On Twilight and Stephanie Meyer's writing generally, I share the opinions of Anne Rice and Stephen King."
And yes, I've read Twilight. I never comment on anything unless I have direct experience. It's so badly written it's painful. And unintentionally funny.
And yes again: to each their own.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 18:42:14
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I thought Candlekeep had already been purged of trolls... |
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 18:46:24
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I thought Candlekeep had already been purged of trolls...
Wow... because I vociferously disagree with you on Twilight and Stephanie Meyer, I'm a troll?
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 18:58:32
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I would really feel sorry for Fellfire if this thread gets sealed, so I've pressed the Ignore-That-Troll button.
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AdamBridger,
The novels also feature some of the most interesting and intriguing villains in fiction---the Volturi. Though you wouldn't meet them until the second book. |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2011 : 22:46:51
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I don't want to hijack this thread longer than necessary, but I feel that Eltheron deserves some defence against such a strong claim: while the tone of his original post could have been milder, and while you have any right to ignore him whenever and for whatever reasons you like, it is not fair to accuse him of trolling because of one single post striking a wrong note. That's it from me on that topic.
Regarding the original topic of the thread: I have neither read the books nor watched the movies because they somehow did not catch my interest (though I generally do like vampires in fiction). |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 01:00:33
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| Yep, a lot of hate out there. Tripe or not, I enjoyed the books overall despite there being much I did not like about them. While some may say Meyer is a horrible author, I thought she told a pretty good story. Someday I hope to write such terribly successful garbage. |
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The Sage
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 01:42:37
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| No offense was intended. The purpouse, after all, of this Scroll is to discuss our views and everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as we keep it civil. ;} |
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The Sage
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 07:32:37
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Originally posted by Eltheron
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Let's try to be a little more respectful of each other's opinions, please. To each his own, and all that.
Perhaps I should've said, "On Twilight and Stephanie Meyer's writing generally, I share the opinions of Anne Rice and Stephen King."
And yes, I've read Twilight. I never comment on anything unless I have direct experience. It's so badly written it's painful. And unintentionally funny.
And yes again: to each their own.
Fair enough. I have not ready any of the Twilight books, but I have read Anne Rice....and Stephen King.....and that's enouch for me to say that opinion is purely speculative. You may *think/feel/believe* that the Twilight books aren't very good literature and your very welcome to that belief, but I'd refrain of speaking like it is fact, which of course, it isn't. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 08:17:15
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Originally posted by Eltheron
Perhaps I should've said, "On Twilight and Stephanie Meyer's writing generally, I share the opinions of Anne Rice and Stephen King."
It's funny that these two authors should be mentioned. The only work by Steven King I ever enjoyed was the Dark Tower series, and that got a little weird about half-way through. As for Anne Rice, I've never been able to choke down any of her books comfortably. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 08:52:53
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I like Stephen King's older works. My all-time favorite, which I read back in high school, is Firestarter. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 10:25:09
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The actors in those movies were among the worst ever, and the idea of disco glitter vampires was beyond stupid.
The books are far superior from all I have heard, but the movies were so lame that I had no desire to check.
Vampire movies nowdays are all terrible. The old days of vampires(Lost boys) were perfect. Nowdays, it seems either the vampires are whining emo morons(Twilight) or they are vicious monsters(30 days of night).
Whatever happened to the balance between the two when Vampires were cool? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 10:39:20
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Well, the vampires in the Underworld series are cool. Not to mention Kate Beckinsale is the sexiest female vampire to date. I also like the cross between Lycans (werewolves) and vampires. |
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Neo2151
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 11:07:33
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Originally posted by Firestorm
The actors in those movies were among the worst ever, and the idea of disco glitter vampires was beyond stupid.
The books are far superior from all I have heard, but the movies were so lame that I had no desire to check.
Vampire movies nowdays are all terrible. The old days of vampires(Lost boys) were perfect. Nowdays, it seems either the vampires are whining emo morons(Twilight) or they are vicious monsters(30 days of night).
Whatever happened to the balance between the two when Vampires were cool?
You should REALLY check out Let Me In. It gave me faith in vampire stories again. Here's a link to the IMDb page:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1228987/
On the topic of Twilight, I'll start by saying that I've seen the movies, and after seeing the movies could not bring myself to pick up the books. I need my vampires to be more like Bram Stoker's Dracula, or Anne Rice's crew, or White Wolf's take.
Meyer's center-stage vampire were nothing like that. These things made a conscience moral-based decision not to kill people to feed. That's points-off in my book. The sparkling skin is also just so horridly... bad. I have no problem with vampires not dying in sunlight (Dracula didn't, after all) but twinkling like a sprite? That's going too far... that's blatantly reaching too hard to hit a target audience.
(Here's the scene that killed the movie for most nay-sayers, and for those that couldn't bring themselves to believe "sparkle" very literally meant "sparkle" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHse6q92lb0)
But ultimately, my dislike is in the "why's" of the characters. When you really sit down and think about it, this inhuman creature falls into very human love with this girl... because she smells more delicious than anything ever. Bella's scent is literally intoxicating to Edward. That's like someone falling into romantic love with their steak because it smells sooo good.
I've never been a huge Stephen King fan, but I do accept that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to writing. As far as Anne Rice goes, I absolutely love her vampires (you find reasons to care about them without them pretending to be human!) So I have to lump my opinion on Meyer's works with them.
(Never mind the fact that Bella basically gets everything she wants. She's the perfect example of a Mary Sue character: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081028203346AAqDs2z) |
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AdamBridger
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 11:31:06
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Originally posted by Fellfire
The only work by Steven King I ever enjoyed was the Dark Tower series, and that got a little weird about half-way through.
I purchased that series some time ago and I just can't seem to get into it. I've tried reading the first book The Gunslinger a couple of times and i just can't seem to get past around 100 pages before deciding to read something else.
Is it unfair of me to judge the whole series on those first 100 or so pages or should i persevere with the series? In other words does the series get better from there? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 14:35:23
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I used to like Stephen King, but gave up on him a long time ago. He can tell an awesome story, but I do have issues with his writing style.
I do like some of his older stuff, though, and for me, 'Salem's Lot is a good vampire story. It's not Dracula (which I quite enjoyed), but it's better than a lot of other stuff out there. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 14:58:10
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Never mind the fact that Bella basically gets everything she wants. She's the perfect example of a Mary Sue character. [...]
If she gets everything she wants, she would have gotten Jacob, too. Ever heard of threesome?
Bella loves Jacob, but not as strongly as she does Edward. If she were selfish and were to get all she wants and deserves, she wouldn't have hesitated to engage in a three-way relationship. Neither Edward nor Jacob wants that, so she's chosen just one of them. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 15:08:56
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Originally posted by Dennis
Well, the vampires in the Underworld series are cool. Not to mention Kate Beckinsale is the sexiest female vampire to date. I also like the cross between Lycans (werewolves) and vampires.
As much as I like Kate and her role in the Underworld series, I can't agree with this. Not when I've seen Ingrid Pitt as a vampire |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 15:16:27
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Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by Dennis
Well, the vampires in the Underworld series are cool. Not to mention Kate Beckinsale is the sexiest female vampire to date. I also like the cross between Lycans (werewolves) and vampires.
As much as I like Kate and her role in the Underworld series, I can't agree with this. Not when I've seen Ingrid Pitt as a vampire
Boobs and sexiness don't always go together. Kate's size is average, but it's how she carries herself---even if there's hardly a skin showing---that makes her so damn sexy. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 15:38:00
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Boobs and sexiness don't always go together. Kate's size is average, but it's how she carries herself---even if there's hardly a skin showing---that makes her so damn sexy.
Agreed and how lithe Kate seems in those movies and her presence is very sexy. Her average size and the short hair, however, isn't very appealing IMO. But, I'll admit that I'm biased since I'm a "boob guy". |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 17:23:42
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
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Originally posted by Fellfire
The only work by Steven King I ever enjoyed was the Dark Tower series, and that got a little weird about half-way through.
I purchased that series some time ago and I just can't seem to get into it. I've tried reading the first book The Gunslinger a couple of times and i just can't seem to get past around 100 pages before deciding to read something else.
Is it unfair of me to judge the whole series on those first 100 or so pages or should i persevere with the series? In other words does the series get better from there?
It does. About the middle of the first book, I couldn't put it down. The second book was also very good. Then things get a little strange towards the end of book 3. Totally lost me with 4, though it's been years since I read that one. Than the next 3 (or 4?) were good, except for a few parts that threw me. Around book 5 or 6 he starts to weave in elements from Insomnia and Salem's Lot which I tried to read to get the whole picture, but I had a hard time with both. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 17:28:36
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| I gotta agree with Dennis here, Kate Beckinsale in a skin-tight latex body glove is Hawt!! It leaves just enough to the imagination. I'd chop off two toes with a pair of rusty boltcutters for a chance to peel her out of it. The movies were good too. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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AdamBridger
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 17:35:20
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| Thanks Fellfire i will give the Series another go sometime in the future. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 14 Aug 2011 : 17:41:02
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Originally posted by Fellfire
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
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Originally posted by Fellfire
The only work by Steven King I ever enjoyed was the Dark Tower series, and that got a little weird about half-way through.
I purchased that series some time ago and I just can't seem to get into it. I've tried reading the first book The Gunslinger a couple of times and i just can't seem to get past around 100 pages before deciding to read something else.
Is it unfair of me to judge the whole series on those first 100 or so pages or should i persevere with the series? In other words does the series get better from there?
It does. About the middle of the first book, I couldn't put it down. The second book was also very good. Then things get a little strange towards the end of book 3. Totally lost me with 4, though it's been years since I read that one. Than the next 3 (or 4?) were good, except for a few parts that threw me. Around book 5 or 6 he starts to weave in elements from Insomnia and Salem's Lot which I tried to read to get the whole picture, but I had a hard time with both.
I read the first Dark Tower book when it came out... And it's the reason I've never bothered with the rest of the series. I did not like a single thing about it. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Aug 2011 : 01:46:28
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I read the first Dark Tower book when it came out... And it's the reason I've never bothered with the rest of the series. I did not like a single thing about it.
An interesting aside to this, has been the fact that some folk who haven't enjoyed the books, have found the comics published by Marvel to be somewhat more enticing. |
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