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Eltheron
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 Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 22:50:24
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Originally posted by Dennis
Ed mentioned quite a lot of points that don't agree with yours, Eltheron. Since it was my question he answered, let me endeavor to find that reply for you... [scouring my e-files now...]
Nothing Ed said there contradicts what I said.
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Dennis
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 23:03:30
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Originally posted by Eltheron
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Originally posted by Dennis
Ed mentioned quite a lot of points that don't agree with yours, Eltheron. Since it was my question he answered, let me endeavor to find that reply for you... [scouring my e-files now...]
Nothing Ed said there contradicts what I said.
Try the quote below for a start. And read the lines I highlighted above.
Dedicated or not, an act or an event empowers a certain deity in a way. One can spread lies to cloak the truth, and he doesn't have to be a Sharran nor dedicate his actions to Shar for such deed to empower her. The deed speaks for itself.
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Originally posted by Arik
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I'd murder Cyric worshipers on sight.
Murdering to oppose the god of murder seems perversely counterproductive. Just as one cannot hope to destroy the god of destruction or win a war against the god of war, since every effort (indeed, every success) in such a conflict would only strengthen one's divine opponent.
Not necessarily. Growing crops doesn't empower Chauntea unless the plantings are dedicated to her. War doesn't empower Tempus unless it's carried out with his blessing (just ask woshippers of Targus, or Garagos). Similarly, I can't see that killing Cyric's priests would empower Cyric, it would just make his faithful look weak. 
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 23:19:11
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Originally posted by Dennis
Try the quote below for a start. And read the lines I highlighted above.
Dedicated or not, an act or an event empowers a certain deity in a way. One can spread lies to cloak the truth, and he doesn't have to be a Sharran nor dedicate his actions to Shar for such deed to empower her. The deed speaks for itself.
Let's walk you through this, because I don't think you understood what Ed meant -or- what I meant.
First, Ed isn't saying that every deity gains power from every single act on Toril. He's saying that "in a way", all the gods share each and every portfolio and because of that they tend to "cancel each other out" unless an action is specifically related to (or devoted to) a particular god's worship. What Ed was trying to get across to you was more along the lines of "there's some overlap, because nothing in the mortal world ever fits into a single concept" like a portfolio.
Second, portfolios are not necessarily worship, they are "mortal shorthand" for a deity's interests and goals. That said, worship is and always has been the thing that "counts" for a deity's power, not necessarily portfolios. This is -especially- true following the Time of Troubles. Portfolios are mortal shorthand, they aren't "real" in the sense of being anything other than a relational concept.
Third, I said that the gods really aren't "living concepts" (which Ed didn't talk about, at least in that quote), because we know -demonstrably- that they are beings or "entities" with their own motivations, choices, and actions. Further, there have been gods that have died, and even if they didn't pass on their portfolio to another god the whole concept of that portfolio didn't die out.
Blowing out a candle in a room (darkness!), without whispering something to Shar, does not empower Shar. She draws power from the act of -worship-, even if it's a quick lip-service whisper.
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"The very best possible post-fourteenth-century Realms lets down those who love the specific, detailed social, political and magical situation, with its thousands of characters, developed over forty years, and want to learn more about it; and those who'd be open to a new one with equal depth, which there just isn't time to re-produce; and those repelled, some past the point of no return, by the bad-taste-and-plausibility gap of things done to the world when its guardianship was less careful."
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2011 : 05:57:04
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| I don't agree that you have to actively worship a deity for them to be empowered by the worship. Why would portfolios matter at all then? We know that Cyric does not want his worshipers to openly war because acts related to his portfolio empower him more. Another example is that Bane returns with "fear" as a portfolio, and is more powerful. If portfolios don't give you power, how would having another portfolio have made him more powerful? One of the differences between the levels of deities (Greater ----> demideity) is the importance of the portfolios they reside over, too, along with the numbers and intensity of worship. Deities obviously gain power from the possession of portfolios, not just active worship. |
Edited by - MrHedgehog on 09 Aug 2011 06:06:43 |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Aug 2011 : 10:18:52
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MrHedgehog, you beat me to it. I was about to reply to Eltheron's last post, but your elucidation pretty much summarizes what I have in mind... |
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2011 : 14:18:12
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Well, you're both free to look at it backwards if you want to, it's just a game after all, but that kinda ignores Ed's entire point about portfolios being "mortal shorthand."
A portfolio is merely a reflection of how mortals tend to worship, that they focus on certain deities as having particular areas of interest. That doesn't mean that portfolios in and of themselves grant power.
Gaining or stealing a new portfolio is, again, shorthand. It reflects a shift in worship, it doesn't tell people "you must all worship differently now".
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"The very best possible post-fourteenth-century Realms lets down those who love the specific, detailed social, political and magical situation, with its thousands of characters, developed over forty years, and want to learn more about it; and those who'd be open to a new one with equal depth, which there just isn't time to re-produce; and those repelled, some past the point of no return, by the bad-taste-and-plausibility gap of things done to the world when its guardianship was less careful."
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Edited by - Eltheron on 09 Aug 2011 14:25:54 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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glitter
Acolyte
France
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Posted - 15 Aug 2011 : 15:50:34
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So, until now (in case of multiple answer without a clear favorite, I took the name of the first god of the list)
7 votes: Oghma/Deneir
6 votes:Torm
3 votes:
Selune
Mystra
Sune
2 votes :
Lathander
Sharess
Nobanion
1 vote:
Lurue
Meilikki
Leira
Savras
Labelas
Eillistraee
Gond
Shar
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Dennis
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Posted - 16 Aug 2011 : 11:27:00
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Goes to say there are a lot of geeks here... |
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DaniloThann
Acolyte
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Posted - 17 Aug 2011 : 03:50:00
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Nai_Calus
Acolyte
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Posted - 17 Aug 2011 : 12:56:48
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| Corellon Larethian, of course. With the odd bits of prayer here and there to Erevan Ilesere in particular and the rest of the Seldarine. Except Shevarash. Rotten twirp. With perhaps the occasional blasphemous fondness for Vhaeraun. |
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You appear in the realms, who do you worship?
