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Dennis
Great Reader
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 Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 08:22:43
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"Tyrannos" sounds cooler than Bane. The latter is pretty much a common name in fantasy. |
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Halidan
Senior Scribe
USA
470 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 15:00:13
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| The God I've always worshiped. I'd be interested to see who (if anyone) would answer. |
"Over the Mountains
Of the Moon
Down the Valley of the Shadow,
Ride, boldly ride,"
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"If you seek for Eldorado!"
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Gouf
Seeker
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 15:13:41
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| Sharess :) |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 18:06:05
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| I like the name Tyrranos, too! A good alias for Bane. Were most of the names not changed in other language editions? I imagine only Bane and Helm seem like they'd be translated into something else. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 18:28:52
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If FR fiction were published in Tagalog in the Philippines, Bane would most likely be (literally) translated to Kulam, Mamamatay, Lason, Kamatayan, or Sumpa. |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
Germany
293 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 18:55:11
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Mind you, 'Tyrannos' is not a German word - it's Ancient Greek - and thus no literal translation. I guess it was chosen because for a German native speaker, it conveys Bane's dogma more readily than the English name; plus, 'Tyrannos' is pronounced like a German word, and for most Germans (me included) it thus sounds more fantasy-like (English often having a 'contemporary touch').
I guess the reason why no other deity names (which I can think of) were translated is that all of the other deities have got no "speaking" names (in English) and thus need not or cannot be translated, and in addition, they can be pronounced without too much difficulty in a "German way". The obvious exceptions are the "speaking" "surnames" of Demihuman deities like "Baravar Cloakshadow", which are translated as well.
Maybe there are other exceptions but I cannot think of any at the moment...
Edit: 'Helm' works perfectly as a "speaking" name conveying the god's ethos in German as well. |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
731 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2011 : 20:50:47
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
I like the name Tyrranos, too! A good alias for Bane. Were most of the names not changed in other language editions? I imagine only Bane and Helm seem like they'd be translated into something else.
In the spanish editions all the name remains the same, though sometimes you can find Helm called either Helmo or Yelmo; Yelmo being the direct translation of the armor piece in spanish, and Bane translated as Perdición, wich is also its direct translation. |
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Korginard
Learned Scribe
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 00:03:48
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I'd offer respect to many of the powers depending on the situation. If it fell within thier perview I would offer my respects and prayers to them as neccisary.
If I had to pick one that I would truely be honored to serve it would most likely be Oghma. Denier would have my heart as well because I've always enjoyed knowledge and learning and have a deep respect for those who dedicate themselves to preserving it. The very fact that Denier and his portfolio exist in addition to Oghma's has always been a wonder to me, showing just how important the portfolio's of both gods are.
Mystra?? Well I would LOVE to be able to learn magic and wield that kind of power, but to me that's not a good reason to devote oneself to her (Even tho many in the realms do exactly that) |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 00:34:36
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| My choice should be obvious to those who know me here. To those who don't, I'll clarify: Eilistraee would be my patron, though I might also pray to Deneir, Ohgma, Mystra, Sharess, and Selune on occasion. Perhaps Tymora and Milil as well. |
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RedneckBadgerLord
Acolyte
USA
32 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 01:10:23
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Which deity do you think you would worship if you were transported to the realms? (At any point in time, so including dead deities)
Selune seems like a deity i'd like the most.
Seeing as I'm working on becoming a licensed pastor, I'll stick with My Lord Jesus Christ. (After all, AO is an obvious reference to:
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Redwall. Drizzt. Kentucky. Enough said.
I was weaned on 2E Baldur's Gate. Learned 3.5E, and can't stand 4E WoF. (Though I try not to mess up canon too badly). |
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MaskedOne
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 03:20:52
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| I think I'd be looking for a wall to beat my head against if I realize where I am. After that and accepting that dying without a patron sucks, Torm, Lathander or Mystra. I respect Torm, Lathander is if not a match for my beliefs at least somewhere within 10000 miles of them and I love Mystra. I may be missing someone but it's liable to be one of those three. Torm or Mystra are most definitely possible, Lathander is sort of iffy. |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
452 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 07:40:36
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Originally posted by RedneckBadgerLord
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
Which deity do you think you would worship if you were transported to the realms? (At any point in time, so including dead deities)
Selune seems like a deity i'd like the most.
Seeing as I'm working on becoming a licensed pastor, I'll stick with My Lord Jesus Christ. (After all, AO is an obvious reference to:
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. -Rev. 22:13
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
1221 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2011 : 10:26:32
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| Where in the realms do I appear and how likely are the locals to get stab-happy if my choice differs too radically from theirs? |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
1757 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 10:40:27
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 04 Aug 2011 : 03:08:13
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I love the nobility in both Torm and Nobanion, but I like the thought of working alongside some good aligned wemics so I'd have to go with Nobanion out of the two.
I might even have considered trying to bring the Feathered Dragon, Qotal over into Faerun. |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2011 : 16:34:38
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Wherever you want, and assume you can keep your faith private.
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Yoss
Learned Scribe
USA
259 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2011 : 13:46:18
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| As much as I would be against worshipping a god in the first place, and as much as I'd like to be some kind of kickass stealthy assassin or super strong Tempus-loving warrior, put me down as another for Deneir. I could get behind a geek god. In the end, nothing makes me happier than learning new things and knowing stuff. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 07 Aug 2011 : 15:21:40
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| Primary- Mystra. However close secondary's would be Azuth, Savras, Deneir, Oghma, and Tyr |
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Varl
Learned Scribe
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2011 : 16:30:29
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| Lathander definitely. |
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
1221 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 01:22:39
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Wherever you want, and assume you can keep your faith private.
Oh. Well in that case, Sharess and any of the higher end feasthalls. |
"Then I saw there was a way to Hell even from the gates of Heaven"
- John Bunyan, Pilgrim's Progress
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36910 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 04:56:25
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
Wherever you want, and assume you can keep your faith private.
Oh. Well in that case, Sharess and any of the higher end feasthalls.
Sharess's clergy aren't known for their feasting.  |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 05:05:47
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
Wherever you want, and assume you can keep your faith private.
Oh. Well in that case, Sharess and any of the higher end feasthalls.
If I were a faithful, (which I wouldn't be), I don't think I'd like the idea of keeping my faith private, unless it's for survival---say, a more famous, rival church eliminates all clergy of my church. But then again, why would I wander into that city when it could mean the death of me?! |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1301 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 17:26:55
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Shar, Sune, and Labelas Enoreth. I love all 3! With a bit of Talos for fun.
I'd murder Cyric worshipers on sight. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 17:53:36
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I'd murder Cyric worshipers on sight.
Murdering to oppose the god of murder seems perversely counterproductive. Just as one cannot hope to destroy the god of destruction or win a war against the god of war, since every effort (indeed, every success) in such a conflict would only strengthen one's divine opponent. |
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 19:39:11
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I'd murder Cyric worshipers on sight.
Murdering to oppose the god of murder seems perversely counterproductive. Just as one cannot hope to destroy the god of destruction or win a war against the god of war, since every effort (indeed, every success) in such a conflict would only strengthen one's divine opponent.
Not necessarily. Growing crops doesn't empower Chauntea unless the plantings are dedicated to her. War doesn't empower Tempus unless it's carried out with his blessing (just ask woshippers of Targus, or Garagos). Similarly, I can't see that killing Cyric's priests would empower Cyric, it would just make his faithful look weak. 
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 21:39:01
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An important detail which invalidates that observation is that these belief-power restrictions haven't been uniformly applied to all Faerûnian deities.
Chauntea is empowered largely by plantings dedicated to her, ie: what amounts to essentially being a type of religious ceremony or offering, but only in the Realms, and only by those who recognize and venerate her. To add insult, there's the fact that other crops planted by other people who don't venerate Chauntea still manage to grow well enough to feed large populations ... suggesting that, really, Chauntea's functions aren't necessary nor critical - or at the least, that specifically worshipping her is not any sort of requirement in ensuring crops and plantings will grow.
Conversely, we are led to believe that Mystra is (or was) the one and only true goddess of all magic in all planes and in all worlds spanning the D&D cosmos. She's a sort of omnimagical being who's power is sustained and served by any form or practice of magic which exists, even if it's called by other names. Most significantly, her (repeated) death causes magical backlash which spans every place touched by magic in the universe.
Both of these examples have equal divine rank, stature, and power - and many others could be provided - so why does this bias exist? I certainly understand that we're talking about a fantasy genre, so yes of course we'd rather immerse ourselves in the workings of magic and wizards than in those of medieval crop farmers. Still, it is an inconsistency with significant theological implications.
Not that any of these arguments are particularly relevant to this topic, of course. Perhaps better debated in another thread. |
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Eltheron
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 21:56:41
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The only condition which invalidates that argument is that it hasn't been uniformly applied to all deities within the Pantheon. Chauntea is empowered only by plantings dedicated to her, ie: what amounts to be a type of religious ceremony or offering, and only in the Realms, and only by those who recognize her ... while conversely we are led to believe Mystra is (or was) the one true goddess of all magic in all planes and all worlds throughout the cosmos, a sort of omnimagical being who's power is sustained and served by any form or practice of magic which exists by any name. Both of these examples have equal divine rank, stature, and power - and many others could be provided - so why does this bias exist?
Not that any of these arguments are particularly relevant to this topic, of course.
The problem is two-fold: that there are multiple pantheons in the Realms, and that only the act of worship gives power to deities. What you're suggesting, drawing power from an event, natural or otherwise (not requiring worship), would require more of a pantheistic belief system... or perhaps that the gods are like "living concepts" and inherent in anything defined by their portfolios. In such a case, they would neither require nor need/encourage worship.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 22:30:36
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Ed mentioned quite a lot of points that don't agree with yours, Eltheron. Since it was my question he answered, let me endeavor to find that reply for you... [scouring my e-files now...] |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 22:34:52
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Here it is. Highlight is mine.
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Does Mystra in a way share the portfolios of Destruction and Chaos with Talos and Lloth? She supports both evil and goodly magic. When evil wizards fight the goodly ones, destruction and chaos usually ensue.
Ed's reply:
Posted - 15 Jun 2011 : 16:19:37
True, but EVERY god shares every portfolio in this particular "way" you refer to (gods fight each other, so that supports Tempus, and if one kills another, that supports one or all death deities, and so on).
When I first introduced the concept of divine portfolios into the D&D game (the idea was ages-old, but I'm afraid that using the word "portfolios" and putting it formally into D&D was my fault), it was a mortal shorthand to describe the MAJOR interest(s) and dominance over a particular field or element of life of a deity. In other words, Tempus is Lord of Battles, but many deities concern themselves with warfare in more minor ways...and to a particular mortal, on the ground in the middle of a particular fight, the involvement of, say, Chauntea in that fight (say, over a boundary between farms, or over shared use of a watering-hole or well) might seem a whole lot stronger and more present than that of Tempus.
So, yes, "in a way" Mystra DOES share the portfolios of Destruction and Chaos with Talos and Lolth/Lloth - - BUT almost every deity shares in almost every portfolio in this manner, and so for purposes of discussion such involvement "cancels out" and isn't usually mentioned by mortals (except in theological debates among sages and within temples). A portfolio is meant to describe, for mortals, the primary (or one of a few main) goal, interest, or aim of a deity. Mystra's portfolio, however expressed, is centered on magic, and its ever-wider use, NOT on Destruction and Chaos. As I said earlier in my reply to Saer Cormaeril, Mystra prefers peace and prosperity as conditions for encouraging/fostering more widespread and frequent magic use (and development of magic, which in turn will make it more useful in a daily sense and hence better used), not destruction or chaos. Destruction is often caused by magic use, and may in some cases be necessary as a step in settling disputes/creating future peace, but that doesn't make it a goal for Mystra or a portfolio she meaningfully shares in.
I hope this helps in clarifying away some confusion.
So saith Ed. Opining like fury in his brief available time ere plunging right back into the constant stream of waiting writing projects...
love to all,
THO
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