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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 20 Jan 2012 : 23:34:07
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Yeah, and...?
@ Sage: I went through the book again, and you were right. However, I never DID find any reference to bathrooms. There are plenty of readouts and descriptions of uniforms, equipment, ship storage and crew compartments, etc ad nauseum....
The point is that females aren't typically called by the title "prince." Was that unclear?  |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 20 Jan 2012 : 23:34:38
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| They probably use naval terms, toilets onboard ship are called heads or water closets. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2012 : 00:41:33
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Yeah, and...?
@ Sage: I went through the book again, and you were right. However, I never DID find any reference to bathrooms. There are plenty of readouts and descriptions of uniforms, equipment, ship storage and crew compartments, etc ad nauseum....
You'll have to refresh my memory, Alystra, about which book you were going through?  |
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Imp
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 21 Jan 2012 : 01:56:19
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Originally posted by entreri3478Half of these are actually female daedra princesses
Daedra can appear female or male, but they have no gender. They are called Princes in general. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2012 : 14:48:40
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Sheogorath the prince of madness. I would love to see what sort of mischief he gets up to in the realms. Muhahahahahahhaha Cough, cough ahahahhahahah
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 06:53:23
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Okay, so they all have communicators (with GPS capabilities) built into their chest-pins. They also have the technology to move any sort of matter to any other place, instantaneously.
They need bathrooms, why, exactly?
I think Kirk may have sent more then Tribbles over to that Klingon ship.  |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 23:08:27
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Yeah, and...?
@ Sage: I went through the book again, and you were right. However, I never DID find any reference to bathrooms. There are plenty of readouts and descriptions of uniforms, equipment, ship storage and crew compartments, etc ad nauseum....
You'll have to refresh my memory, Alystra, about which book you were going through?
The Starfleet Technical Manual- (for Star Trek 25th anniversary) it's copyrighted 1986, and the Enterprise is still listed as Heavy Cruiser Class (Constitution class) and is only labeled 1701, with no letter behind it. It mentions water closets in the staterooms, but doesn't mention how many of thosethere are- state rooms are mainly for guests or non-crew passengers, aren't they? Does that mean that crew members would have to know on the door of some visiting alien to use the facilities? Still seems inconvenient. And then there's that comment by Johnathan Frakes during a behind-the-scenes show where he pointed out the location of the supposed single bathroom on the TNG Enterprise. This was early in the series, IIRC, before any of the TNG movies. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2012 : 01:39:31
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Yeah, and...?
@ Sage: I went through the book again, and you were right. However, I never DID find any reference to bathrooms. There are plenty of readouts and descriptions of uniforms, equipment, ship storage and crew compartments, etc ad nauseum....
You'll have to refresh my memory, Alystra, about which book you were going through?
The Starfleet Technical Manual- (for Star Trek 25th anniversary) it's copyrighted 1986, and the Enterprise is still listed as Heavy Cruiser Class (Constitution class) and is only labeled 1701, with no letter behind it. It mentions water closets in the staterooms, but doesn't mention how many of thosethere are- state rooms are mainly for guests or non-crew passengers, aren't they?
Yes, and those Starfleet dignitaries and/or special personnel on board for a particular mission. I think one of the old TOS novels mentioned that. Or it could have been one of the TOS movie novelisations. Hmmm.
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Does that mean that crew members would have to know on the door of some visiting alien to use the facilities? Still seems inconvenient. And then there's that comment by Johnathan Frakes during a behind-the-scenes show where he pointed out the location of the supposed single bathroom on the TNG Enterprise. This was early in the series, IIRC, before any of the TNG movies.
I remember that. It was from the television special aired just before the end of the TNG series.
Anyways, I was referring to the content of The Next Generation Technical Manual, which identifies the toilets on board the Enterprise-D. |
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Acolyte
USA
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Great Reader
USA
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Galuf the Dwarf
Senior Scribe
USA
630 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2012 : 18:20:11
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| I voted for Malacath since I don't know if there's a Faerunian deity (at least) or a fiend with worshippers whose portfolio deals with outcasts. I know Ghaunadaur and Fenmarel Mestarine have a lot to deal with outcasts, but that's about it to my knowledge. |
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Kno
Senior Scribe
452 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 12:56:16
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 18:10:46
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Originally posted by Kno
Sithis=Shar
Is Sithis a daedric prince? |
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
666 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 21:20:14
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| No, he is not. He's one of the original entities in Nirn, alongside Auriel who is part of Anu the Everything, which is in direct opposition to Sithis/Padomay. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 02:18:45
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Originally posted by Entreri3478
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Originally posted by Kno
Sithis=Shar
Is Sithis a daedric prince?
Sithis is neither Aedra or Daedra, as I recall. In fact, he's said to have been a primordial entity that existed long before either the Aedra or Daedra. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 22:03:32
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| Sheogorath all the way, his ways and his realm are most interesting and he has my vote! |
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
479 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 22:15:16
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| All pale in comparison to Sithis. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 22:20:11
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Yes, but Sithis is not Daedric of course.  |
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
479 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 22:31:55
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| Only shows that this thread is flawed! |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
1847 Posts |
Posted - 17 Nov 2013 : 23:31:06
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| I voted Shegorath because, well, he's Shegorath. His cult would be one of madness and eccentricity. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2013 : 02:35:06
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Originally posted by Alruane
Yes, but Sithis is not Daedric of course.
Sithis is neither Aedra or Daedra, as I recall. In fact, he's said to have been a primordial entity that existed long before either the Aedra or Daedra. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2013 : 06:46:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alruane
Yes, but Sithis is not Daedric of course.
Sithis is neither Aedra or Daedra, as I recall. In fact, he's said to have been a primordial entity that existed long before either the Aedra or Daedra.
Yes, this is true. He was always a being of existance. He was the darkness, just a void. There was no TRUE explanation of what Sithis was, just what they BELIEVED him to look like. Or what he truly was.  |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2013 : 06:48:37
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I voted Shegorath because, well, he's Shegorath. His cult would be one of madness and eccentricity.
My thoughts exactly, I enjoyed his personality and the way he ruled his realm. |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
1591 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2013 : 11:45:31
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Originally posted by Alruane
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
I voted Shegorath because, well, he's Shegorath. His cult would be one of madness and eccentricity.
My thoughts exactly, I enjoyed his personality and the way he ruled his realm.
Agreed. Plus I think his quest was the most fun out of all the Daderic quests in Skyrim. |
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Alruane
Senior Scribe
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2013 : 11:52:38
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Originally posted by Thauranil
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Originally posted by Alruane
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Originally posted by The Arcanamach
I voted Shegorath because, well, he's Shegorath. His cult would be one of madness and eccentricity.
My thoughts exactly, I enjoyed his personality and the way he ruled his realm.
Agreed. Plus I think his quest was the most fun out of all the Daderic quests in Skyrim.
Indeed! The whole expansion for Oblivion was remarkably done, and his realm was very beautiful. If not disturbing at times. Haha |
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PattPlays
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 06:44:28
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
1847 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2020 : 20:38:38
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| Rezzed after 7 years, nice! So it may have been this poll from years ago that got me thinking and ended with incorporating the daedra into my homebrew. I use them as another race (similar to fiends/celestials). What makes them different is their alignments are static, they change either with time or through some special occurrence and, in Molag-Bal's case, he can alter it at will. One aspect always remains the same (Molag-Bal is always evil, for instance), but the other axis changes. This gives them a unique place in my cosmology without simply making them another 'fiendish' race (and some of them aren't actually evil, such as Meridia). The aedra are also included but are the same race and fall under the general race of daedra. By the way, although they can be worshipped similar to arch-devils and demon princes, they are not deities in my game. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Nov 2020 : 01:18:09
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Meridia was among the patron daedra of the Ayleids, one of her most famous followers being Umaril the Unfeathered. She thinks that free will is a nuisance. Meridia is absolutely evil, players just think she's nice because she hates the undead. Chances are she hates them not because they're undead, but because they're associated with Molag Bal, who is theorized to be her ex. ESO does a wonderful job overturning player preconceptions - Sheogorath is every bit the monster he's supposed to be, Nocturnal pulls off the greatest con in history, and Meridia is a dogmatic zealot.
I think players just got to attached to crazy funhouse Uncle Sheo, to be honest. The cracks appear when you realize that he created a localized apocalypse simply to destroy a peaceful, friendly community just for fun.
The line between Aedra and Daedra is a blurred one - the Khajiti patron deity is Azura, the Reachmen pantheon is staffed by Daedra, Hermaeus Mora is part of the Nord pantheon, the Dunmeri pantheon is purely Daedric and so forth. You can absolutely be a god without being an Aedra, like Mannimarco. You also have things like Molag Bal and the King of Worms screwing with Arkay - Bal created the first vampire via raping an Arkayan priestess, while Mannimarco founded modern necromancy and lifted it from religious voodoo into an actual magical field of study, reinvented lichdom, and then became the god of necromancy, his divine body nullifying Arkay's laws against necromancy and undead.
The closest example would be if Velsharoon nullified Kelemvor's deific laws against the creation of undead, even in his own holy grounds, as part of a naturally-occurring cosmic phenomenon while all Kel can do is shake his fist and pout. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Nov 2020 : 03:53:12
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AZURA, whose sphere is dawn and dusk and twilight, the magic in-between realms, prophecy and fate, magic and mystery, vanity and egotism
Domains: Destiny, Divination, Fate, Magic, Moon, Night, Oracle, Protection, Pride, Radiance, Spell, Travel
BOETHIAH, whose sphere is plots and conspiracies, assassination and treason, deceit and the unlawful overthrow of authority
Domains: Beguilement, Chaos, Death, Evil, Luck, Planning, Strength, Trickery, War
CLAVICUS VILE, whose sphere is the granting of power through trades and pacts, promises and wishes
Domains: Beguilement, Commerce, Evil, Greed, Law, Pact, Planning, Trade, Trickery, Wealth
HERMAEUS MORA, whose sphere is forbidden knowledge and the scrying of the tides of Fate, of the past and future as read in the stars and heavens, and in whose dominion are the treasures of knowledge and memory
Domains: Destiny, Divination, Fate, Knowledge, Mentalism, Mind, Oracle, Rune, Time
HIRCINE, whose sphere is the hunt and the sport, the thrill of the chase and the greatest game
Domains: Animal, Beastmaster, Bestial, Celerity, Chaos, Competition, Fury, Hunt, Strength
JYGGALAG, whose sphere is we don't talk about him
MALACATH, whose sphere is the patronage of the spurned and ostracized, the keeper of the Sworn Oath, and the Bloody Curse, and conflict, battle, broken promises, and anguish
Domains: Chaos, Envy, Hatred, Orc, Protection, Retribution, Spite, Strength, Suffering, War, Wrath
MEHRUNES DAGON, whose sphere is destruction and change, revolution and natural disasters, energy and ambition
Domains: Chaos, Destruction, Earth, Envy, Evil, Fire, Fury, Planning, Renewal, Storm, Strength, Wrath
MEPHALA, whose sphere is obscured to mortals, whose only consistent theme seems to be interference in the affairs of mortals for her amusement
Domains: Death, Evil, Planning, Spider, Seduction, Temptation, Trickery
MERIDIA, whose sphere is the energies of living beings
Domains: Evil, Glory, Greed, Law, Life, Purification, Radiance, Sun
MOLAG BAL, whose sphere is whose sphere is the domination and enslavement of mortals; whose desire is to harvest the souls of mortals and to bring mortals' souls within his sway by spreading seeds of strife and discord in the mortal realms
DOMAINS: Corruption, Domination, Envy, Evil, Hatred, Law, Planning, Pride, Strength, Tyranny, Undeath
NAMIRA, whose sphere is the Ancient Darkness, of sundry dark and shadowy spirits; associated with spiders, insects, slugs, and other repulsive creatures which inspire mortals with an instinctive revulsion
Domains: Corruption, Darkness, Decay, Evil, Ooze, Slime, Spider, Spirit
NOCTURNAL, whose sphere is the night and darkness
Domains: Chaos, Darkness, Luck, Night, Planning, Shadow, Trickery
PERYITE, whose sphere is the ordering of the lower rungs of Oblivion, pestilence and the natural order
Domains Balance, Blightbringer, Decay, Dragon, Law, Pestilence, Planning, Protection, Suffering
SANGUINE, whose sphere is hedonistic revelry, debauchery, wild orgies, and passionate indulgences of darker natures
Domains: Beguilement, Chaos, Charm, Joy, Lust, Passion, Pleasure, Seduction, Temptation, Trickery
SHEOGORATH, whose sphere is Madness, and whose motives are unknowable
Domains: Beguilement, Chaos, Charm, Evil, Illusion, Madness, Trickery
VAERMINA, whose sphere is the realm of dreams and nightmares, and from whose realm evil omens issue forth
Domains: Beguilement, Dream, Evil, Magic, Mind, Oracle, Pain, Suffering |
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Baltas
Senior Scribe
Poland
955 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2020 : 18:31:08
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Meridia was among the patron daedra of the Ayleids, one of her most famous followers being Umaril the Unfeathered. She thinks that free will is a nuisance. Meridia is absolutely evil, players just think she's nice because she hates the undead. Chances are she hates them not because they're undead, but because they're associated with Molag Bal, who is theorized to be her ex. ESO does a wonderful job overturning player preconceptions - Sheogorath is every bit the monster he's supposed to be, Nocturnal pulls off the greatest con in history, and Meridia is a dogmatic zealot.
Meridia is a bit more complex. Yes, in ESO itself, her darkside is shown, especially via her hatred of free will, and how it manifests (ie her purification). But Meridia helps to save Nirn more than once, and even helps the Vestige, when it (seemingly) gave her no benefit. Meridia' support of Ayleids, might in part because of the fact they worshiped her, as well as the fact Pelinal was committing a genocide in his war against them literally not just killing, but erasing fro existence whole populations (essentially, an anathema to what she represents). All along the way (wnon-combatants, children whole settlements), even being murderous towards all elves, and related peoples, like Khajiit. As well, as the fact Umaril might be a son of the conjoined Akatosh-Lorkhan from before the current Kalpa (ie it's stated Umaril's father is a "god from previous kalpa", and in the "The Song of Pelinal" Pelinal screams to Aka(tosh) that the two of them (Lorkhan/Pelial and Akatosh) "made" Umaril).
Meridia "ex" (and maybe not entirelly ex) is also not really implied to be not Molag Bal, but Lorkhan.
The "illicit spectra" she consorted with, is implied to be also Lorkhan (possibly as the Void Ghost).
In semi-canon lore, a Magna-Ge form/aspect of Lorkhan - the Scarab-Framer (ie a variation of title of Lorkhan from the 36 Lessons of Vivec, sermon 10, - Scarab, the Frame-Maker, as well even the Scarab-Framer's description implying he an incarnation of Lorkhan), is/was part of Merid-Nunda's court, and very close ally:
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/magne-ge-pantheon
The text also makes clear Merid-Nunda was one of the most benevolent of the Magna-Ge, if also implying Meridia as Merid-Nunda was different compared to her current self.
And about the "not entirelly ex part" with Lorkhan...is as it's meant to implied Meridia and Kynareth/Kyne, are to some level the same being (if might be a Jygglag-Sheogorath, Aka-Lorkhan situation), as stated by Michael Kirkbride, when he wrote the Knights of Nine:
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/michael-kirkbride-irc-qa-sessions
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What no one has ever seen is the connection between Meridia and Kyne. Let that sink in. What do they-- when connected-- both govern?
Think about KotN. One made the Knight, one opposed the Knight. One rained forever because he was gone. One said, no I will wait until he comes back.
There are also other connections between the two - both being connected to life, both connected to Lorkhan, both being presented as winged.
(And Meridia and Kyne/Kynareth are not the only ones who present such connection between Aedroth and Daedric Prince of "non-Daedric" origin - there is also Malacath's connection to Arkay and maybe even Zenithar)
It's also implied the the Magna-Ge allied with Meridia, are the ones that "made" Pelinal (the "Star-made" knight), or at least his body, further showing Meridia somewhat schizophrenic attitude towards Lorkhan.
What I mean - is Meridia among the many "evil" Daedric Princes? Very probably, but I think she has in part at least good intentions...but as it's stated "hell is paved with good intentions", and she shows the horrors of zealotry. |
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