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Banter Darkdirk
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Posted - 11 May 2011 :  17:57:06  Show Profile Send Banter Darkdirk a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I was wondering if anyone had any NPC stats for Mask?
I DM in a 3.0/3.5 campaign prior to his death and I'd like to use him for part of the game. I was wondering if anyone had any stats (official or non-official) for him and his gear (only 3.0/3.5 versions please).

Let me know.

Thanks!


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Posted - 11 May 2011 :  18:02:57  Show Profile Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
-In theory, you could use the stats he had in Faiths and Pantheons, abandoning all the divine stuff, so that all you got left is his actual classes and items. A quick and dirty way to do it, I guess.

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Posted - 11 May 2011 :  18:41:28  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That would be my suggestion as well. Just use the stats for his avatar rather than for him. He would more likely interact with the PCs as his avatar anyways. Ignoring everything divine about him, his levels are Rogue 20/Shadowdancer 10/Assassin 10 (and has all of the abilities involved therein); his ability scores are Str 24, Dex 50, Con 24, Int 29, Wis 24, Cha 29; and his equipment includes Stealthwhisper and Shadowblade, two +4 frost keen speed longswords (F&P, 3e, pages 46-47).

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Posted - 11 May 2011 :  18:48:20  Show Profile Send Banter Darkdirk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Brilliant idea both of you. I should've consulted my bookshelf before asking. However, I'm at work and I do a lot of my FR thinking in between busy work and while I'm on hold (and thus didn't have my books to consult).

Thank you both for the help!

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Posted - 11 May 2011 :  19:14:53  Show Profile Send Thente Thunderspells a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hawkins

That would be my suggestion as well. Just use the stats for his avatar rather than for him. He would more likely interact with the PCs as his avatar anyways. Ignoring everything divine about him, his levels are Rogue 20/Shadowdancer 10/Assassin 10 (and has all of the abilities involved therein); his ability scores are Str 24, Dex 50, Con 24, Int 29, Wis 24, Cha 29; and his equipment includes Stealthwhisper and Shadowblade, two +4 frost keen speed longswords (F&P, 3e, pages 46-47).



Only problem is those stats include the Divine Array for starting stats, so it depends on how low powered you'd want to make Mask for an NPC encounter.

@OP: he was never a mortal, so there are no stats for him except as suggested above to remove the divine portion and just use his avatar. If you want him lower powered than that, you'll have to do some work...

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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 12 May 2011 :  06:21:37  Show Profile Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thente Thunderspells

@OP: he was never a mortal, so there are no stats for him except as suggested above to remove the divine portion and just use his avatar. If you want him lower powered than that, you'll have to do some work...



-The Twilight War trilogy implies otherwise, that he was once mortal, by revealing his actual name- I read it as in, that was his birth name, and a deity wouldn't be being born in that sense.

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I second his stats from faiths and pantheons.
they fit in more as an avatar than his stats from the 3.x FR faiths book....

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Thieran
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Posted - 12 May 2011 :  13:49:17  Show Profile Send Thieran a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon

I second his stats from faiths and pantheons.
they fit in more as an avatar than his stats from the 3.x FR faiths book....



Faiths and Pantheons is the "3.x FR faiths book" (or is there another one?). You presumably meant Faiths and Avatars.
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Faiths and Avatars is the 2E Book. Faiths and Pantheons is the 3E Book. Whats funny is I get them mixed up all of the time.

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faiths n avatars....2e

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Posted - 12 May 2011 :  16:29:12  Show Profile Send Thente Thunderspells a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-The Twilight War trilogy implies otherwise, that he was once mortal, by revealing his actual name- I read it as in, that was his birth name, and a deity wouldn't be being born in that sense.


Hmm, I had forgotten that particular in those novels. Well as Ed says often in his replies about gods in his scrolls, anything that does see print about the gods is either a snapshot or not necessarily the truth, even from the god themselves as they are always trying to portray one thing or another to the mortals. (I'm paraphrasing) So maybe he was actually a mortal or the yarn I remember was that he was born from the cloth of Shar taking some of her power which is why she's after him constantly, which to me implies he was a spontaneous creation like Mystryl from Selune/Shar, but only from Shar and therefore not born.

Either way, there are no "non-divine" NPC stats for him that I've ever seen, so if you want that level of EPIC but not Divine power OP, you'll probably want to knock those stats down a bit in addition to removing the divine portions, from Faiths and Pantheons (3.0)

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Posted - 12 May 2011 :  18:19:04  Show Profile Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thente Thunderspells

Hmm, I had forgotten that particular in those novels. Well as Ed says often in his replies about gods in his scrolls, anything that does see print about the gods is either a snapshot or not necessarily the truth, even from the god themselves as they are always trying to portray one thing or another to the mortals. (I'm paraphrasing) So maybe he was actually a mortal or the yarn I remember was that he was born from the cloth of Shar taking some of her power which is why she's after him constantly, which to me implies he was a spontaneous creation like Mystryl from Selune/Shar, but only from Shar and therefore not born.


-He could have been a deity that was "born" when XYZ happened- Shar or someone else created him, he spontaneously came into existence when the first thief in his native world stole something, whatever- but the fact that he has a different "birth name" (Lessinor) than the name he uses as a deity, at least to me, hints that he was indeed a mortal, once upon a time. If he was "born" a deity, created by XYZ, why would he have an actual name different from his "divine alias"? It is very possible there's explanations, but that's just how I read it, anyway.

-Shar is always "after" Mask, it was explained, was because he was her herald in the past, and that the two deities are/were multispheric. Personally, I think that relation is pretty cool. Mask, the thief, heralding the ultimate heist, Shar's removal of existence.

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Mask is the god of Mischief. It's obvious that he would not reveal his real name to anyone, even his followers.

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Originally posted by AleksanderTheGreat

Mask is the god of Mischief. It's obvious that he would not reveal his real name to anyone, even his followers.



-In the context of the book, it was Shar that revealed it.

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By some myths she is his mother, so...

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Originally posted by AleksanderTheGreat

By some myths she is his mother, so...



-Which wouldn't alter my musings.

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Which I'm not trying to alter. ;)
I simply gave an suggestion on why would a god who wasn't mortal before, have a real name and an alias like "Mask" (which is a little cliche).

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