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Thente Thunderspells
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Posted - 05 May 2011 : 17:15:06
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Hi all
I was doing research for another scroll and came across this reference quote: Shadows of the Avatar Mystra has a secret revealed stating she is more powerful than any god, save for Lord Ao, but therein lies the secret. Roughly half of her power lies in her Chosen and in the lesser power Azuth, thus planned by Ao so Mystra does not rule all Realmspace.
from the FR wiki: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Mystra_(post-1358_DR)
I searched for this in some other scroll but couldn't' find anything. Does anyone know the actual reference for this statement? Context? Thanks fellow scribes!
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 06 May 2011 : 01:05:00
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It makes sense. That must be the very reason Ao prohibits Mystra to subsume other deities or do anything to augment her power. |
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Posted - 06 May 2011 : 01:13:50
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-Ed Greenwood replies, I believe. Relatively old one(s).
Not only the old replies, but Ed's commented on this several times over the last seven years. It's well worth searching the "So Saith Ed" archive to read what the Bearded One actually has to say on the topic. |
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Posted - 06 May 2011 : 08:45:43
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Thats why she had to go. |
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Thente Thunderspells
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Posted - 06 May 2011 : 18:34:27
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Thanks for the point, those are a little hard to wade through, but I found one reference so far in the 2004 thread:
Posted May 1st 2004 reply about the Srinshee. Mystra. Chosen.
Talks about her being the most powerful. Still combing through the threads to see if there is more on this and will edit this thread with updates as I find them.
Posted - 27 Sep 2005 reply about the Weave, Mystra, and Chauntea. - speaks to Mystra's power level and storage of power in dieties/chosen
I haven't been around much/for long, but can someone disclose why the "So Saith Ed" archives stop in 2008? Frustration at the Shattered Realms debacle? I know that there are still 2009-2011 threads for Ed. |
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Edited by - Thente Thunderspells on 09 May 2011 22:04:23 |
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Thente Thunderspells
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Posted - 06 May 2011 : 19:27:02
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Huh... just found this in the 2004 thread as well from November:
quote: O Lady from the Hood, I've been a bit too nervous to post before now, but your chaste nature and innocent soul have lured me here. I’ve got a few mojo-related questions, so I won’t beat around the bush (so to speak). 1) Mystra controls the Weave and her absence causes magic to go wild, but if she were to somehow be destroyed beyond recreation, could mortals eventually learn to adapt their spells to function normally?
Ed/THO's reply:quote: 1. Probably, given your use of the word “eventually.” However, until a new deity rose to control whatever new system of magic replaced the Weave (remember, Mystra IS the Weave; for her to be destroyed “beyond re-creation,” Azuth and all of Mystra’s Chosen, in whom parts of her power reside, would have to be destroyed, too), magic would be wild or simply wouldn’t work. Probably magic items would do SOMETHING when their stored powers were unleashed, but not function as their wielders expected them to (and not under any precise control or exhibiting any consistency of effects). It’s doubtful if most spell-using beings would survive such a cataclysm. None of them would survive it unchanged, to be sure. Nor would the Shadow Weave just ‘step in and take over’ if Mystra were destroyed utterly, because the Shadow Weave depends on the Weave; without the one, the other (which opposes it, and is ‘balanced’ to do so) will inevitably collapse too. So the gods who remained would probably battle for control of magic, in a world in which all magic will have a governing tendency to ‘go wild.’ Farewell Realms as we know them, and so on. We’re both curious: why do you ask this? :} Is a particularly foolish PC in your campaign planning to assassinate Mystra? (And if so, HOW?)
Some game designer sneak in under alias and start planning her downfall this long ago perhaps? Interesting when you look back and see things like this. Like when I looked back at an early 2007 issue of the Economist that said "watch out for the popping of the housing bubble in America and the disasterous effect that would have on the global economy"
Plus I've added the highlighted section that could be a rationale for the recent developments from "Elminster Must Die" and why they chose to go this route in leaving a few of the chosen alive. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 09 May 2011 : 12:40:58
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quote: Originally posted by Thente Thunderspells
Huh... just found this in the 2004 thread as well from November:
quote: O Lady from the Hood, I've been a bit too nervous to post before now, but your chaste nature and innocent soul have lured me here. I’ve got a few mojo-related questions, so I won’t beat around the bush (so to speak). 1) Mystra controls the Weave and her absence causes magic to go wild, but if she were to somehow be destroyed beyond recreation, could mortals eventually learn to adapt their spells to function normally?
Ed/THO's reply:quote: 1. Probably, given your use of the word “eventually.” However, until a new deity rose to control whatever new system of magic replaced the Weave (remember, Mystra IS the Weave; for her to be destroyed “beyond re-creation,” Azuth and all of Mystra’s Chosen, in whom parts of her power reside, would have to be destroyed, too), magic would be wild or simply wouldn’t work. Probably magic items would do SOMETHING when their stored powers were unleashed, but not function as their wielders expected them to (and not under any precise control or exhibiting any consistency of effects). It’s doubtful if most spell-using beings would survive such a cataclysm. None of them would survive it unchanged, to be sure. Nor would the Shadow Weave just ‘step in and take over’ if Mystra were destroyed utterly, because the Shadow Weave depends on the Weave; without the one, the other (which opposes it, and is ‘balanced’ to do so) will inevitably collapse too. So the gods who remained would probably battle for control of magic, in a world in which all magic will have a governing tendency to ‘go wild.’ Farewell Realms as we know them, and so on. We’re both curious: why do you ask this? :} Is a particularly foolish PC in your campaign planning to assassinate Mystra? (And if so, HOW?)
Some game designer sneak in under alias and start planning her downfall this long ago perhaps? Interesting when you look back and see things like this.
I think it's just a coincidence. There were a lot of people outside WotC's umbrella who wanted to try to kill Mystra, either for just the fun of it, or for some grand scheme of theirs which they found necessary for their story.
Besides, why would a WotC staff visit this site only to ask that question, when he had all the time in the world to ask Ed personally? |
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Posted - 09 May 2011 : 13:26:09
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One of Mystras Devine powers was to Deny other beeings (even dities) access to the weave, thats why she was so powerfull. At least before everyone could cast magic without a weave in 4e |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 09 May 2011 : 18:51:18
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quote: Originally posted by Dennis
Besides, why would a WotC staff visit this site only to ask that question, when he had all the time in the world to ask Ed personally?
-Or, the WotC designer asked Ed Greenwood, and he gave them that reply, or something close to it. |
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Thente Thunderspells
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Posted - 09 May 2011 : 19:34:50
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quote: Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
One of Mystras Devine powers was to Deny other beeings (even dities) access to the weave, thats why she was so powerfull. At least before everyone could cast magic without a weave in 4e
The quote from Ed seems to indicate that Mystra was more powerful in terms of raw power than any other diety given that the Weave was basically the life force of Faerun (pre-4e trashing that concept) and so Ao forced her to keep over half of her raw power in other vessels like the chosen and Azuth.
Even at "half power" she still had the ability to cut any one off from spell casting, though Ao highly discouraged it and made her restore some evil dieties magic use. That was more a function of her being her/weave/magic emanating from her (pre-4e) than the thing that defined her power level |
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Thente Thunderspells
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Posted - 09 May 2011 : 19:41:58
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quote: Originally posted by Dennis I think it's just a coincidence. There were a lot of people outside WotC's umbrella who wanted to try to kill Mystra, either for just the fun of it, or for some grand scheme of theirs which they found necessary for their story.
Besides, why would a WotC staff visit this site only to ask that question, when he had all the time in the world to ask Ed personally?
Quite possibly all of the above... no telling really. Maybe to see if Ed gave a different answer? Dunno, just thought it was a VERY interesting quote given what has taken place over the last few years and looks to be happening going forward, that's all.
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Posted - 09 May 2011 : 23:02:09
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Nothing as sinister as that. :) They were stopped because I was the one who was keeping the logs and then putting them into HTML files. However, much like my NPC lists, I got busy with school, then life, then other things and so I handed them off to Alaundo or Sage took them over. Alaundo STILL hasn't, after years, updated my NPC file with the excel spread sheet. And well, we all know Sage and his project list and how it is it's own black hole. :)
quote: Originally posted by Thente Thunderspells
I haven't been around much/for long, but can someone disclose why the "So Saith Ed" archives stop in 2008? Frustration at the Shattered Realms debacle? I know that there are still 2009-2011 threads for Ed.
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Posted - 10 May 2011 : 01:16:19
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quote: Originally posted by Kuje
Nothing as sinister as that. :) They were stopped because I was the one who was keeping the logs and then putting them into HTML files. However, much like my NPC lists, I got busy with school, then life, then other things and so I handed them off to Alaundo or Sage took them over. Alaundo STILL hasn't, after years, updated my NPC file with the excel spread sheet. And well, we all know Sage and his project list and how it is it's own black hole. :)
quote: Originally posted by Thente Thunderspells
I haven't been around much/for long, but can someone disclose why the "So Saith Ed" archives stop in 2008? Frustration at the Shattered Realms debacle? I know that there are still 2009-2011 threads for Ed.
Kuje has the right of it. I have ensured that the "So Saith Ed" archives are up-to-date as of last week. And I've included both the 2009 and 2010 scrolls as well. It's just finding the time to upload to the site proper. Alaundo is a particularly busy "Seer."  |
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althen artren
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Posted - 10 May 2011 : 02:22:25
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Neo2151
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Posted - 08 Jul 2011 : 09:40:26
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On the topic of Mystra's power, consider this: Ao decided that dieties powerful enough needed to have "chosen" in order to check some of that power for the greater balance. For a diety in Faerun to have a chosen is a pretty big deal. It's basically a show that they are so powerful that they had to start following special rules. Bane is a big enough deal to have at least 1 chosen in Fzoul (likely a couple more.) Mask has at least two chosen! Nice! Mystra has DOZENS of chosen, 11 I can name off the top of my head and a lesser deity is one of them! Not to mention at one time or another there has been a god/ess for each of the different schools of magic, and they're all likely sharing a part of Mystra's overall power as well. Even with her power split so many different ways, she still has enough personal power left to warrant being a greater deity that many other greater deitys don't mess with.
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