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Sill Alias
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 Posted - 07 May 2011 : 07:03:40
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| Hoondatha, I believe in the end these actions corrupt the elves, no matter how noble their goals are. And more wiser and civil elves understand that. And if THAT was the issue, what about half-elves? This is one of many flaws in their philosophy. And what makes them not try to make genocide of some elves with part of human blood ancestry? Nope, EV is a candidate for something worse than Descent. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2011 : 08:33:44
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
And more wiser and civil elves understand that.
-Yes and no. Plenty "wise" and "civil" Elves dislike Humans immensely, and would rather they just disappear, but don't particularly dig the whole genocide schpiel that the Eldreth Veluuthra puts forward. If they toned things down a bit, they'd get a hell of a lot more mainstream support. Compare contemporary to various terror organizations that exist in our world (given that the Eldreth Veluuthra is a terror organization). Many ideological tenets are shared between any given mainstream population, and terror organizations, but it is the wanton violence, extreme measures, and whatnot that turn of the mainstream population from such organizations.
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
And if THAT was the issue, what about half-elves? This is one of many flaws in their philosophy. And what makes them not try to make genocide of some elves with part of human blood ancestry?
-The Eldreth Veluuthra sees Half-Elves as tainted by Human blood, and thus, abominations that are just as bad as Humans- perhaps even moreso, since they are the physical incarnations of Human and Elven intermingling, and represent Elvendom at it's most tainted form. |
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Mystic Lemur
Seeker
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Posted - 08 May 2011 : 01:54:41
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Instead of killing off all the humans at once, why not create a disease that sterilizes women? Or men? Then they aren't all dying at once, and within one human lifetime the threat is all but gone.
There was a scifi book I read once that had a plague that killed only women. I think it was called White Plague.
As for after, I agree that the elves would pretty much be boned. Be careful what you wish for... |
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Eli the Tanner
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 May 2011 : 01:16:45
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I would imagine that the EV would try to coincide their eradication of humans with an event that would herald the resurgence of the Elves as a whole.
Perhaps a High Magic ritual that turns all humans into plant-life/trees or unleashing a monster like the 'elf-eater' to hunt them down....perhaps even another dracorage mythal that is aimed at humans thereby Destabilizing the human empires enough that the elven people can slowly repopulate faerun without fear of the humans stopping them.
Although I wouldn't put it past the victorious blades to be short-sighted enough to wipe all humans out in an instant without thought of the fallout...only to change their hatred to whatever race rises to replace humans. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 May 2011 : 03:06:34
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Lemur, that's a really good suggestion, actually. Doubly so if we posit that the disease only makes a sizable percentage of humans infertile, but is transmitted to the next generation. So that any human born has anywhere between a 20% and 50% chance of being able to breed (take your pick, probably dependent on how difficult the disease is to create). Then you'd get humans in a similar situation to the modern-day dwarves: a steadily declining race, but one that's still holding on in some areas.
This stops the forward tide of human expansion, but at the same time keeps the humans around as a bulwark for a few more centuries, giving the elves time to rebuild their numbers and their defenses. I like it.
The problem, of course, is that the humans have gods, and the gods aren't exactly likely to sit around and do nothing while they all wither and die from their followers going the way of the dodo. That's an awful lot of divine inspiration, not to mention the magical experimentation of hundreds or thousands of wizards, to reverse whatever was done. And it also means that everyone's going to be around to take vengeance, if anyone (god or mortal) figures out where the disease came from.
But despite those problems, it's still an elegant solution. Plus, it has potentials for an adventuring campaign, if you have it treated like any other disease: start it at Patient (or more likely Location) Zero, and watch it spread. Now you've got quarantines, hoarding, people panicking, etc. If it has some sort of additional symptom to alert someone they have the disease. If not, you can have a delayed realization (and delayed panic). |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 22 May 2011 : 05:40:03
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Originally posted by Eli the Tanner
I would imagine that the EV would try to coincide their eradication of humans with an event that would herald the resurgence of the Elves as a whole.
Perhaps a High Magic ritual that turns all humans into plant-life/trees or unleashing a monster like the 'elf-eater' to hunt them down....perhaps even another dracorage mythal that is aimed at humans thereby Destabilizing the human empires enough that the elven people can slowly repopulate faerun without fear of the humans stopping them.
Although I wouldn't put it past the victorious blades to be short-sighted enough to wipe all humans out in an instant without thought of the fallout...only to change their hatred to whatever race rises to replace humans.
It actually makes me think of what the Aragami were trying to pull in the anime Blue Seed... Using the power of a living god, these plant-based critters tried to turn all humans into plant-based critters. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 May 2011 : 22:33:34
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Originally posted by Eli the Tanner
I would imagine that the EV would try to coincide their eradication of humans with an event that would herald the resurgence of the Elves as a whole.
Perhaps a High Magic ritual that turns all humans into plant-life/trees or unleashing a monster like the 'elf-eater' to hunt them down....perhaps even another dracorage mythal that is aimed at humans thereby Destabilizing the human empires enough that the elven people can slowly repopulate faerun without fear of the humans stopping them.
Although I wouldn't put it past the victorious blades to be short-sighted enough to wipe all humans out in an instant without thought of the fallout...only to change their hatred to whatever race rises to replace humans.
-The biggest problem with that would be Elven High Magi using Elven High Magic to aid and abet the Eldreth Veluuthra. Elven High Magic is only promulgated in one place- Evermeet. Queen Amlauril has gone on the record as condemning the Eldreth Veluuthra. Sure, some of the more conservative Houses of Evermeet may dislike Humans, and other N'Tel'Quessir as much as generic Eldreth Veluuthra members, but I do not see them disobeying their queen, and providing assistance to the organization. Elven High Magic also requires the "approval" of Corellon Larethian (mechanically, in 3e, Elven High Magic [Epic Magic with the Elven High Magic subtype] does not have this quantifier, but in the lore, supposedly, it does). Since he, nor the rest of the Seldarine approve of their genocidal goals, theoretical Elven High Magic practitioners operating with the group would not be able to utilize their High Magic. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Sep 2011 : 23:37:08
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| Who says they have to use High Magic? Sorry, playing devil's advocate here. They could just as easily use some form of ritual like Szass Tam's Dread Rings. In fact, that sounds like a really good idea for this. Might have to play around with this idea. A race-specific plague that leaves survivors sterile? Sounds like fodder for a great campaign! Incidentally, this also sounds like something from the plot of the comic series "Y: the Last Man." A mystical plague wiped out all but one man, as well as every male of every other species on the planet- except for his pet monkey. Guess what he spent most of the series doing?! No- not that. Actually, he was running from all the women who WANTED him to, lol!!! |
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