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KnightErrantJR
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 Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 04:53:57
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Hey all. I know there has never been anything official on her, but does anyone have any ideas on Xvim's mother? I have been thinking of having her pop up in my campaign, and using her as a Demon Lord (Lady?). I have been having a hard time thinking of a good set of features to give her, or what her "catch" should be. Any ideas from my fellow scribes?
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Dargoth
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 05:09:38
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| I much prefer the Fallen paladin story over the Demoness, a Fallen Paladin is much more Banes style if you ask me |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 05:11:38
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| Yeah, but since its just for my campain, its not going to be "canon" by any streach of the imagination, the the demon lord angle fits better for what I am doing with it. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 05:22:05
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Perhaps go for a "Great Abyssal Mother" type of Demon Lady, akin to Shub-Niggurath? Her hook, of course, being the terrible and monstrous creatures she spawns...
Alternatively, how about a Demon Lady that was later infected by the Far Realm, somehow? You could use either the Taint rules or one of the Far Realm templates to represent this in game... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 05:30:14
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| Outside of Lolth and Zugmmony (Iuz girlfriend)and the generic Malinth I cant think of another female Tannar'ri |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 05:35:05
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Outside of Lolth and Zugmmony (Iuz girlfriend)and the generic Malinth I cant think of another female Tannar'ri
Soneillon? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 05:36:09
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| Arivia, I am increasingly listing toward the Far Realm in a lot of my thougts in my campaign, so its a tempting thought. I like the Shub-Niggurath idea too . . . I'll have to look through my d20 Cthulhu book to get some ideas as well . . . |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 05:56:57
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Outside of Lolth and Zugmmony (Iuz girlfriend)and the generic Malinth I cant think of another female Tannar'ri
Soneillon?
Im pretty sure shes just a glorified Succubus with class levels |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 06:51:08
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I much prefer the Fallen paladin story over the Demoness, a Fallen Paladin is much more Banes style if you ask me
Why not both? Why not a female paladin that fell so far she was cursed and became some sort of demoness?
You could say she was originally a tiefling, and when she fell and was cursed, the curse emphasized her demonic blood... She could have quite literally become the same sort of critter as her dark ancestor...
Or she was an aasimar who took a serious tumble... Bane would likely dig that even more.
Another variation: the woman wasn't a demoness until after her liaison with Bane... Something about carrying his child pushed her over the edge, so to speak. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 01 Dec 2005 06:53:56 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 08:04:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Another variation: the woman wasn't a demoness until after her liaison with Bane... Something about carrying his child pushed her over the edge, so to speak.
Oooh! I like that.
The presence of the demon seed in the mother's womb was actually the aspect responsible for her ultimate transformation. Not a fiend in the truest sense of the word, but rather a fiend by association. This would make Bane the one and only influence in the generation of Xvim.
It would also work to resolve some of the theories surrounding Xvim's mother and why her presence or nature wasn't anything of any real consequence in the Realmslore.
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 08:06:37
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On a sidenote, do we know the background history of that blackguard, Scyulla Darkhope? As well, how old is she?
I'm sensing potential for a nasty campaign twist...
Would also work with another blackguard, but that one sprung to mind. |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 12:35:00
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| The first I heard of her is in Richard's Last Mythal's. She does seem rather wicked and worthy so far doesn't she? |
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Darkheyr
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 12:57:05
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| She *could* be a fallen paladin as a nice twist, couldnt she? *evilgrin* |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 14:45:17
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All up to your evil machinations, Darkheyr! Do make sure to keep us informed.
KEJR - what about a fallen celestial as his mother? A strong enough deva, or even a fallen solar would be an excellent mating partner to produce the son of THE evil god. And you could always have her lording over her own layer of the abyss, as well.
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Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 14:51:42
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| Actually Wooly's fallen Tiefling Paladin that became a demon lord is starting to pique my imagination. Considering in the campaign the little girl that she is going to be trying to get her hands on is a Tiefling with Xvim's essesnce, if the PCs find out about her past, it will be an instant warning as to what might happen to the child if she gets her hands on it . . . I'll have to cogitate on this some more. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 15:44:46
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Originally posted by Darkheyr
On a sidenote, do we know the background history of that blackguard, Scyulla Darkhope? As well, how old is she?
I'm sensing potential for a nasty campaign twist...
Would also work with another blackguard, but that one sprung to mind.
She's first mentioned in Ruins of Zhentil Keep, and then you have that updated to where she is now (well, 1372 DR really) in the FRCS. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 02 Dec 2005 : 17:45:00
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| I was led to believe that Lark's mother from the "City of Splendors" novel was Xvim's mother <g>. Didn't she sleep with anything that came along? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 02:55:17
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I have an idea about this now that I have been cogitating. And since I like to have the best of both worlds, I have the following solution. Xvim's mother, as I am envisioning her, would have started out as a paladin, one that was a contemporary of Bane's, when he was a mortal. Bane managed to trick her into using an artifact that imbued her with a demonic essense, turning her into a half-demon and shutting her off from her paladin abilities. Eventually, her hatred for Bane led her to try and master the artifact, and she became a full fledged demon lord (lady?).
Eventually, once the fallen paladin was a demon and Bane was a god, she decided to seduce him, hoping he would let his guard down. While he indulged her, he did not give her any opening, but she decided that if she bore him a son, she could teach the son to hate his father, to kill him and take his place. Unfortunately, Xvim was enamored of his father's strength of resolve and purpose, and was more interested in learning from him than killing him (and in truth, never got the oppourtunity).
Dispite this, when Bane died and Xvim came to replace him, his mother lauded her wayward son for this newfound glory, and was begining to scheme with him, until he was viciously destroyed in the rebirth of his father.
What do you think? |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 18:11:24
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I like your story a lot, by all means use that.
But, just to share some lore, there was a list of Demon Lords over on the EN World forums which included many female demon princes and demon lords. Here is a list of the ones I could glean that were specifically female:
Nocticula (from 1e MM2 p.35)
Aldinach (from 1e MM2 p.35)
Alrunes (from 1e MM2 p.35)
Ardat (from 1e MM2 p.35)
Barbu (from 1e MM2 p.35)
Soneillon (per Eric Boyd, the Soneillon in Champions of Ruin is curriously not the same Soneillon in the MM2, but is in fact impersonating her or trading on her reputation.)
Pale Night (Grazz't's mother, currently consort of Baphomet I think)
Zuggtmoy
Malcanthet, Mother of Succubi (from Dungeon #112 & #124)
J'zzalshrak (from Dungeon #64)
Rhyxali (from the web enhancement for Book of Vile Darkness)
Shaktari the Queen of Poison (Dungeon #60, she rules the 531st layer of the Abyss called Vudra and looks like a gargantuan marilith. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 20:38:59
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 14:05:27
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I love the thread. Brilliant ideas.
Who is Lark's mother (I don't have City of Splendors) |
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Rhewtani
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 16:20:55
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| I'm voting for Wooly's idea, as well. The twist I would throw in is that Bane had manipulated the bloodline in the past, as well. Bane had led some woman into a fiendish union long ago, then followed the line down several generations to this Paladin of Lathander or Tyr, eventually impregnating her, and the seed of Bane intermingling with her latent demonic heritage corrupted her completely. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 17:31:57
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Originally posted by Rhewtani
I'm voting for Wooly's idea, as well. The twist I would throw in is that Bane had manipulated the bloodline in the past, as well. Bane had led some woman into a fiendish union long ago, then followed the line down several generations to this Paladin of Lathander or Tyr, eventually impregnating her, and the seed of Bane intermingling with her latent demonic heritage corrupted her completely.
That's a nice twist, too. Though it might be even more fun if the paladin was the offspring of another evil deity, and Bane specifically picked her to thwart or annoy this other evil deity.  |
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Rhewtani
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 18:29:40
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| Throw that in there, too. Though, I think Lathander should be key to this, too. It is rebirth, after all. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 20 Sep 2011 : 19:47:59
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I'd vote for Iggwilv.
Xvim reminds me of Iuz on some levels, and she was his mother (so she has birthed demi-gods before, who have risen in power later).
Of course, that could just be my old love of GH showing through. 
Besides, with a name like Iyachtu Xvim, doesn't Iggwilv sound like an appropriate relative? 
Oh, and she was a mortal human at some point - a witch queen or some such (going by the name of Natasha, hence the spell Tasha's Hideous Laughter IIRC). See the final real issue of Dragon for more on her. |
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Rhewtani
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 20 Sep 2011 : 21:44:35
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| Sage - Not saying Lathander should be behind it, just that Bane would get a nice irony-kick out of corrupting a paladin of Lathander for his rebirthing. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 08:06:56
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I'd vote for Iggwilv.
You know, you've got me thinking now that Malcanthet could be an interesting alternative.
Hmmm.
I agree with you here, Sage... |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 16:36:37
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*Meh*
Iggwilv has been involved with Grazzt, who has a canon FR presence, and Baba Yaga, who also has a canon FR presence (from the Starlight and Shadows series). In fact, she was an apprentice of Baba Yaga - how cool is that?
I think a mortal who has accrued enough power to be considered of demi-power status, and who is known to have masqueraded as 'mere' mortals several times (similar to Mystra), and is known as Louhi (from the Celtic Mythos) - we already have quite a lot of evidence of the Celtic Pantheon being active on Toril - is a far more interesting choice. She also canonically has a presence on more then one world, thus establishing her interests in settings other then Oerth.
And I think Xvim's initial power-level (before his father's death) doesn't support a demonlord/deity offspring, IMHO.
Note also that Bane (now) has a multispheric presence, and that there has been quite a LOT of interaction between GH and FR (she lived in a plane-hopping hut!). In fact, she was apprenticed to a mage in the Circle of Eight (Zagig Yragerne), so she may have been spying on the real Khelben Blackstaff (who I personally think took the name Mordenkainen when he went to Oerth).
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