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thinkpig
Acolyte
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 Posted - 18 Mar 2011 : 20:11:24
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I am running a nwn2 game in the Silver Marches, and I can't find anything specific on whether Spells arointed by the Silverymoon Wards (3rd Ed. Silver Marches, p. 58) cast via Shadow Weave Magic would be stopped by the wards. In the FR Campaign Guide (3rd Ed.) p. 57 it says "Shadow Weave users... ignore disruptions in the Weave. A Shadow Weave effect works normally in a dead magic or wild magic zone..." it goes on to say that an antimagic field or Spell Resistance would effect it though.
Could a Shadow Weave Magic user teleport into Silverymoon without the appropriate Ward Token? Cast a spell with the death or evil descriptors (also arointed)?
To my knowledge: Elven High Magic = Does not disrupt SWM; and Wards = Elven High Magic, so my assumption would be that the answer to the above question would be yes... I know it seems like kind of a moot point as the powerful folks of Silverymoon would likely put a quick end to such a person, but in terms of my relatively low-powered game I believe my PCs would be able to address this type of threat before it drew the notice of the more powerful protectors of the gem of the North.
Thank you in advance for your help! :)
Can anyone give a clear answer to this?
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Mar 2011 : 21:25:57
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| I use the analogy of mythals acting something like lenses. They distort, reshape, filter, focus, and amplify the underlying magic within a given region; they are also self-sustaining/repairing (and possibly sentient). If the underlying magic (Weave, Shadow Weave) were no longer present I think the question would reduce to the mythal self-regeneration rate vs rate of damage/penetration by intruding magics ... essentially a contest between the combined magics of the mythal creators against the combined magics of the attackers. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 18 Mar 2011 : 23:44:47
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I think the 'right' answer would be that shadow-Weave spells should function normally (as in, that fits the mechanical aspect of things).
However, thematically I would say that you are correct with your thinking in that Mythal=Elven magic, and since we have at least one non-Torillian example of EHM (Elven High magic) in Evermeet: island of elves, we know that EHM is NOT dependent upon the weave (which doesn't exist in Faerie {AFAIK}, where that ritual was performed).
From what I understand, the Weave only encompasses Realmspace and Mystra/Mystryl's Domain (and perhaps touches the fugue plane - not sure). Since EHM works outside of that, and the Shadoweave only exists where the Weave exists (also, AFAIK), it would be logical to say that Mythal Magic > Shadow Magic.
So my answer is..... yes and no.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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thinkpig
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 19 Mar 2011 : 01:28:41
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| Thank you for the speedy replies so far guys! All of this so far is great food for thought in my quest to better understand this Mythal/SWM thing. To be honest I am still sort of unconvinced one way or the other how this should work. If it were a home, table-top game, I would say to the hells with it and run my plot, but this is for a persistent world where faithful representation of canon is not really open to interpretation and I feel like I need a really authoritative Yes or No, and I don't feel like I have one yet. Not to belittle the sagacity of those who've answered, but so far the answers seem to be opinion and interpretation. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 19 Mar 2011 : 02:40:09
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Arcane Age: Cormanthyr Empire of the Elves states that a full set of the Nether Scrolls (the "newer" or copied set) were stolen by the elves and transmuted into the living Quess'Ar'Teranthvar ("Golden Grove of Hidden Knowledge"). It contains all the limitless arcane knowledge of the Nether Scrolls, including all of the five basic sections, and accomplished Elven High Mages are able to study a "sixth" section hidden within the interactive combinations of the other five.
Elven High Magic predates Netheril and the Nether Scrolls; it is likely entirely independent of the Weave (and Shadow Weave), quite possibly taught to the elves by Corellon and the Seldarine, brought to the Realms when the elves migrated from some other world (or perhaps even from the Feywild). Consequently, elven mythal magic would not require sustenance from the Weave.
Note that Netherese arcanists had also developed some mythal magics (such as the 10th level Lefeber's Weave Mythal spell). Also note a spoiler from the Return of the Archwizards trilogy (Evereska's mythal was repaired *and altered* by the elven sorceror, Galaeron Nihmedu, somehow using a combination of Elven High Magic and Shadow Weave magic). [You may cast detect invisible spoiler by using your mouse/keyboard to invoke the somatic motions.] |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 17:33:36
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We don't know if Elven High Magic predates the Nether Scrolls, because they were penned before the world was Sundered. 
Since I think (as in, 'my own conjecture') Elven High Magic is True Fey Magic, and the Fey were a contemporary of the other Creator Races (who made the Skins of the World Serpent/Nether Scrolls), I would say they were on equal (but different) footing.
Still, Shadow Weave magic should be limited to the same regions as Weave magic is, and therefor both forms are inferior to other types of magic that function properly outside of Realmspace (which should include Creator-Race magics). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 20:17:05
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| Good point, the Nether Scrolls are quite fundamental. But Elven High Magic is about as old as the elves themselves and still predates Netheril; elves were already very accomplished in the use of magic before the Nether Scrolls were discovered. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 20:35:36
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Arik, that invisible script of yours is exceedingly clever. I'm not sure if that is the first time I've come across it or not, but it is certainly the first time I figured it out. Ha ha.
Now I'm going to be tempted to put secret messages in all of my posts |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 20:50:44
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| Fellfire — I suggest a trueseeing spell which shows all invisible scripts on any given page: it may be cast by invoking [Ctrl-A], a timesaver when visiting places which make heavy use of invisible scripts. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 22:53:30
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Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 23:19:25
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Markus, I think Ed has said that the Weave did touch
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Shadow Weave Magic vs. Silverymoon Mythal Wards
