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Lady Fellshot
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 04:02:25
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
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Originally posted by Lady Fellshot
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So if a book's bad, you can't say that respectfully?
I've yet to find a way to tell someone "I find your characters too passive and distract from those driving the action" nicely. If someone has found a way to make that sound... erm... more diplomatic, I'm all ears.
Word!
I'm an honest guy, like honesty above everything else, and consider it an insult if someone tries to moddlecottle me. To be anything than honest is the path that brought the USA the war in Iraq, so if a book sucks in my opinion, I will say so and give my reasons. There is no courteous way when one is honest.
Sometimes there isn't any way to make scathing criticism nicer, but I do have to say that apologizing for upsetting someone with that criticism doesn't cost one anything and you aren't required to give up your position to do so. In other words, "I'm sorry my opinion upset you, but it is my opinion and it's okay to disagree." Then one moves on to other things.
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GMWestermeyer
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 04:49:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And it's all beside the point, anyway. You have yet to acknowledge a need for courtesy -- in more than 6 pages, you've been busy giving all sorts of reasons why not to be courteous.
I disagree. I think I have acknowledged the need for courtesy multiple times. I have simply mentioned the reasons it might be difficult to achieve generally, and specifically I've asked people to acknowledge that the need for courtesy does not simply extend from fans towards authors, but from defenders of Realms products to critics as well.
You seem to continually read more into my posts then I am typing. I'm trying very hard to stay very precise, to be very clear, and to add value rather than simply provoking people. |
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gomez
Learned Scribe
Netherlands
254 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 07:37:23
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
No amount of logic is going to mean 1 + 1 =/= 2.
Except in binary, where 1+1 is 10.
People have different points of view of what consititutes 'freedom of speech'. We have the same issue here in the Netherlands, where certain people are making rather unsavory comments on a certain part of ur community. They defend their smarting claims with the right to 'freedom of speech (though, oddly, they do not seem to have any counters in that same regard).
The things is: this is not about any freedom of spech at all. This is about courtesy. We are all here in this hobby to enjoy ourselves and make great games together. We all have different opinions on what is the best story, the best setting, the best atmosphere or what makes the best game. This environment asks that is you disagree with each other, your are courteous about it, because we play this game together.
That doesn't mean one cannot have a strong opinion on a novel, or even a line of novels, but take care how you phrase comments.
Note that when you present your criticsm honestly and respectfully - taking into account that taste and personal expectations may vary among readers - you can get an honest response.
Now one writes perfect fiction (or game material), if because only you always write from a perspective that may not match that of all your readers.
As a writer, the best you can do is take the criticism, filter out the comments that you can work with, and try to improve in your next work.
As a reader, the best you can do is provide a review that is useful to the author.
When you just get into ranting in general, nothing really improves - not even your temper.
Gomez,
hoping to both give an receive fair reviews
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
USA
404 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 08:00:28
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As a published author (no, nothing D&D related) I unfortunately-due to the lateness of the hour-feel compelled to add to this thread. As a fan of the Forgotten Realms, as an individual with a college degree in (and love of) English, and as someone who takes time to read my posts before hitting the button, I will add the following to this thread.
First, this is not a lecture, it is a post.
Second, the opinions and commentary expressed are my own.
Third, if you have never gone through the agenting, editing, and publishing process, you do not truly understand what being a "published" author means.
Fourth, if you believe that most authors get rich off of writing, you are severely mistaken.
Fifth, the authors of Realms novels grace you with their presence. They are not holy, they needn't be revered, but authors are compensated for writing, and when commenting on a discussion board, without recompense, they do so (generally) out of love of their products and for their readers, without whom they wouldn't be published authors.
Elaine Cunningham, for example, took Ed Greenwood's Realms as imagined by Bob Salvatore and gave us a marvelous series of novels that ranks, in my opinion, as amongst the best ever written.
I, like others, do not always agree with what Ed says about the Realms, but they are his creation! Ed has very wisely managed his contracts with TSR and WoTC from what I can tell, but even small-time authors lose control of their work as soon as the work enters the hands of the editors. Sometimes, our works are improved by editors (I thank mine repeatedly) and other times, the editors get things wrong or dramatically change our intended meaning. Anyone familiar with Gene Roddenberry's fights over Star Trek will understand this. Thankfully, Ed gets his fans, and he has amazing writing skills, too.
Erik Scott de Bie isn't an author I have read, although a few of his Realms books are on my reading list. I most definitely fall into the category of "Why did they kill the Realms in the 4th Edition" camp, but blaming Erik or his work for any of that is not only foolish, but it makes the poster look foolish as well. I had a discussion once with Troy Denning as to my love of Crucible wherein I said I loved the book until he broke the love between Midnight and Kelemvor. He, in turn, graced me with an explanation as to why he wrote the scene the way he did, and how he felt as he wrote it. (For the record, this discussion did not occur on Candlekeep) While I remain personally disappointed with the outcome, understanding all of the factors that played into his decision allow me to understand it, and that is something most readers will never have.
Most authors aren't rich enough to write autobiographies, and most readers don't care about us enough to buy the books anyway. I'll be honest at the risk of scandal when I say I don't really care how Ed, Bob, Erik,or Elaine grew up, or why they went into writing, or how many pets they have. The fact that I have a chance to ask questions of them such as "why did you make this decision?" is what makes Candlekeep a treasure.
One thing I've failed to hear anyone discuss is math. "What's math to do with any of this," you ask? It make take you six-to-ten hours to read the average Realms book. For a part-time author, it may take six-to-ten months, at least, to write that book, then a year for editing, and a year before it's published. Anyone who published (or goes into politics, I suppose) expects criticism. I don't mind when people disagree or even dislike my works. What I do loathe are random, indirect comments that I cannot explain, defend, or rationalize in some manner. I cannot weigh whether or not I agree with criticism if it isn't specific enough for me to address. "Your book sucks" is about as valid an opinion as "water tastes funny."
I'll disagree (slightly) with Erik in his original post on exercising restraint. Please don't restrain yourself, but rather write informed posts to the authors that state something specific. If you're going to slam an entire novel, you owe (yes, I just said that—owe) it to the author to explain what specific things you don't like. After all, how can we improve if you don't tell us?
Finally, a note about WoTC. When they acquired TSR, I was dreadfully afraid of the outcome. When 3E D&D came out, I was thrilled with the quality of the product and the depth that came with it. I couldn't replace my 2E books fast enough and I even bought extra copies to convert my gaming group more quickly. Then 3.5 came out, and I was disappointed, because I'd never heard of a point release outside of software. I skipped the "update" and incorporated the things that were necessary into my campaign. I felt that WoTC hadn't put enough to make the books worth my purchase.
I eagerly awaited 4E, and was sent into somewhat of a depression when I read what had happened to the Realms in the sourcebooks and requested a return form for the lot of them from Amazon.com. Yes, they need to sell a product. Yes, some felt that the pantheon was too crowded, and that there was too much "lore" to support. There were and are about one hundred business reasons for WoTC to do what they did with the Realms: I still do not have to like it. In this, I take my lesson from Ed himself, where his home campaign (and his players who also grace us with their presence) are just approaching the Time of Troubles. Ed isn't the only one who can control his gameplay, and I can happily keep me and my players in the 3E Realms with the 3E rules as long as they and I mutually so desire. I will not support WoTC by buying any of the 4E game sourcebooks again. Here's (truly)hoping the 5E is better.
I have purchased many "4E" novels, however. I've got Bruce Cordell's Abolethic Sovereignty just about done, which I find excellent prose. Then it's onto the various Waterdeep novels (I'm looking forward to yours, Erik) and then to Ed's Knights of Myth Drannor Series, which I somehow missed. Then I'll probably reread Ed and Jeff's Cormyr and Ed and Troy's Death of the Dragon. I'll undoubtedly have questions for authors aplenty, and I hope that I can pose said questions (be they praise or criticism) here in good faith. The purpose of Candlekeep, at its heart, is the pursuit of knowledge. There's no knowledge to be found in baseless criticism; it only displays ignorance and a dreadful lack of respect for people willing to produce works for your pleasure.
Anyone who debases the entire Realms fiction line as anything is ignorant or a fool. With so many authors on so varied a line of subjects, it quickly identifies said person as prejudicial or uninformed. Where perhaps I differ from Erik is that anyone who says "...what did you expect? It's just FR." has immediately placed themselves beneath my concern.
As I say on boards within which I am a moderator as well as those I am not (such as Candlekeep): "I truly wish the need for moderators did not exist, but I thank those who diligently exercise such duties."
To the "elder" Realms authors who wrote in murky, uncharted waters I offer my thanks for hours upon hours of entertainment. To the newer, younger authors I offer my well wishes that you can have fun writing and that your fans can have fun reading that into which you put blood, sweat, and tears as equity. And of course, to Ed I extend my undying gratitude to having the audacity, courage, and temerity to approach TSR and Gary and to recognize that the Realms might just be something special: they certainly are.
To those who have muddled through this, my thanks for your time. I shall now return to being a happy consumer of the content in Candlekeep - a happy scribe, seeker, and postulant to Oghma's good work.
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DBG
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 11:02:04
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Azuth,
May I say that the above post is probably the most thought out and comprehensive statement I have yet read in this thread.
For that I thank you.
I agree with you on many points rasied, though my personal preference lies with 2e.
On a sub-note would you be kind enough to pm me a list of your works with a brief synopsis of each, as I would be interested in seeing what you have written.
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Portella
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
247 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 11:43:23
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 15:07:52
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To Krash, I am one of those people who highly respects your opinion and values your contributions and feedback. Like I said years back at GenCon 2007 or whenever it was, meeting you was an honor, and I hope to share a drink with you again one of these years.
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Originally posted by Lady Fellshot
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So if a book's bad, you can't say that respectfully?
I've yet to find a way to tell someone "I find your characters too passive and distract from those driving the action" nicely. If someone has found a way to make that sound... erm... more diplomatic, I'm all ears.
How about: "The book didn't work for me. Particularly, I found the characters passive, was not engaged by their issues, and found it distracting from the action."
Lots of "I" statements, lots of your opinion, but with all the info you expressed earlier. (And frankly, I found your initial hypothetical both honest and pretty diplomatic--I'm just offering another option.)
I for one like open, honest, and forthright reviews. If you don't like something I've written, tell me so, by all means. But if one of your assumptions is that all FR fiction sucks, for instance, then I'm not going to take you seriously. See what I mean?
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
I'm an honest guy, like honesty above everything else, and consider it an insult if someone tries to moddlecottle me. To be anything than honest is the path that brought the USA the war in Iraq, so if a book sucks in my opinion, I will say so and give my reasons. There is no courteous way when one is honest.
There's a difference between honesty as "using your words" and honesty as "punching you in the gut." If you don't like someone, either way can be just a effective and just as honest, but one is considerably more polite than the other.
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Originally posted by Azuth
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As a published author (no, nothing D&D related) I unfortunately-due to the lateness of the hour-feel compelled to add to this thread. As a fan of the Forgotten Realms, as an individual with a college degree in (and love of) English, and as someone who takes time to read my posts before hitting the button, I will add the following to this thread. [snip]
Extremely well-said, Azuth. I agree with the suggestion that we can end the thread on that note.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 16:09:51
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
b] What DOES annoy me is repetition. [/b].
Sorry Elaine,
I will try to refrain from jumping in and repeating my love for all your works when I read Serpents Daughter.
P.S. But I think I may fail.
Ha! Hoist with my own petard!
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 16:12:02
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Originally posted by GMWestermeyer
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And so what does that have to do with how you express yourself? Your comment implies that since criticism might not be well-received, you're under no obligation to be courteous.
That wasn't my intention. My intention was to state, not imply, that even when being courteous, others have responded to criticism with great discourtesy.
I am saying there is a strong tendancy in FR fandom to use cries for civility as a means of silencing those who are critical of works - even when the criticism is courteous.
If people cannot acknowledge in this thread that this happens, then this isn't really a thread about civility, is it? It would then just be a thread about protecting FR authors from criticism.
Well argued. The pendulum DOES tend to swing a little too far in either direction from time to time. |
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 16:21:24
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| Thanks for the kind words, Azuth, and for taking time to share your thoughts on this issue. I'm pretty sure there isn't much to add, so I'm going to wander off now. Hope to see you all in another thread. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 18:16:47
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+1 excellence for Azuth!
A brilliantly insightful post which summarizes all that needed to be said. I applaud ye heartily! 
(FWIW, I just read my first novel by ESdB, Ghostwalker, and will comment that it was a very good read, I like his writing "style", about on par with PSK's Twilight War trilogy. Not quite as good, perhaps, as some of Elaine's finer novels, though that's just me playing favourites, lol.) |
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
USA
404 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 19:45:16
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Originally posted by Arik
+1 excellence for Azuth!
A brilliantly insightful post which summarizes all that needed to be said. I applaud ye heartily!
(FWIW, I just read my first novel by ESdB, Ghostwalker, and will comment that it was a very good read, I like his writing "style", about on par with PSK's Twilight War trilogy. Not quite as good, perhaps, as some of Elaine's finer novels, though that's just me playing favourites, lol.)
Give Erik some time to catch up. Elaine has a few more points in her Writing Skill due to her, ahem, "higher level" of Author. (Elaine, you rock!)
With this matter "settled" I hope one of the moderators might consider locking this thread so we can move onto more interesting topics.
A dead mage once said that his biggest regret in life was trying to trick his spell with cubic zirconium instead of diamond; the spell was not amused. |
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Lord of All Spells
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 16 Mar 2011 : 20:40:26
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
b] What DOES annoy me is repetition. [/b].
Sorry Elaine,
I will try to refrain from jumping in and repeating my love for all your works when I read Serpents Daughter.
P.S. But I think I may fail.
Ha! Hoist with my own petard!
Well you only have yourself to blame (through Dan....since I am currently re-reading Elfshadow), it seemed a very Danilo-ish thing to say  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 03:53:56
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Define 'published'. 
The Internet kinda makes this a hazy category these days. I've built three popular websites (only my DeviantART page remains).
And by 'published', does that mean only work for which money was received? Just curious.
Do school newspapers and magazines count? What about ideas? Some of my ideas have ended up in published works. What about Netbooks and Netzines?
I'm not looking to throw fuel on any fires, I am just wondering how far we can stretch the definition these days.
Oh... and I wrote a menu.
Seriously... a buddy of mine owns a restaurant and I wrote all the meal descriptions. Not exactly literature... |
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
USA
404 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 04:26:46
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Originally posted by Markustay
Define 'published'.
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From what I can tell, for an author to get a forum on Candlekeep, he or she must have a "published" book in print on the Forgotten Realms. This includes the editing process, having an agent, waiting a few years, and getting paid for the work. So in this situation, that's my definition of published.
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Lord of All Spells
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 04:37:47
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Originally posted by Markustay
Define 'published'.
The Internet kinda makes this a hazy category these days. I've built three popular websites (only my DeviantART page remains).
And by 'published', does that mean only work for which money was received? Just curious.
Do school newspapers and magazines count? What about ideas? Some of my ideas have ended up in published works. What about Netbooks and Netzines?
I'm not looking to throw fuel on any fires, I am just wondering how far we can stretch the definition these days.
Oh... and I wrote a menu.
Seriously... a buddy of mine owns a restaurant and I wrote all the meal descriptions. Not exactly literature...
I've published credits to my name -- mostly articles in printed computer/programming magazines, and the odd article in Australia's national "classical music" magazine. My only [limited] published effort for RPGs remains, so far, a third-party 3e setting released by FFG.
Oh, and my failed submission to DRAGON, just before it's printed demise.
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Lily M Green
Learned Scribe
Australia
115 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2011 : 22:23:02
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Originally posted by Markustay
Oh... and I wrote a menu.
Seriously... a buddy of mine owns a restaurant and I wrote all the meal descriptions. Not exactly literature...
Depends on the Chef..
Fillets of seared line caught, thirty-one-and-a-half-day matured sea cow, served on a bed of shredded baby carrot and white beet, drizzled with a balsamic reduction and topped with Dijon mustard foam.
That's prose of the purplest kind right there! <- Feel free to disagree, it's all relative. |
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Lord of Bones
Seeker
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Mar 2011 : 22:07:15
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*clears throat*
Unaccustomed as I am to participating in threads where there's actual debate, I don't want to wade in heavily with any potentially inflammatory opinions. In fact, I only have a relatively brief statement.
I fell in love with the Realms through reading the Moonshae Trilogy way back when, followed by the Crystal Shard, the Avatar Trilogy, and since then whole reams of material on the setting. There have been good books and there have been... less good books. Some with ill-defined characters, plots and action sequences while others charge on with complex portrayals, Machiavellian stories and dynamic set pieces. Just with any series of books, whether you're looking at Star Wars fiction, the Discworld novels, the short stories of Sherlock Holmes or the James Bond novels, you have strong and weak material.
Nevertheless, all the stories I have read in my life, good or bad, have been worth reading because someone has written them for me to read. I am the customer, the audience, the reader. The book is for me and whether I walk away wanting more or just feeling glad that I put it down, I can value that someone put time and effort into writing it for me.
I especially value that the authors of Realms fiction come here and share their thoughts with us. Whether we think of their stories as good or bad we should be grateful that they want to meet and chat with their audience. How many other authors do this? The only one I know who is quite so prolific with his fanbase is Michael Moorcock, and although there may be more, I truly appreciate every post of lore, advice, tomfoolery or insight that these authors of Realms fiction give us.
So with this in mind, I endeavour to always be polite, civil, friendly and courteous to the authors of the Realms. This post isn't meant to be a rebuttal to anyone's thoughts or actions. It's merely a thank you to every author who has posted here and shared their time with us. Time they could spend doing something else, if they so wished.
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 00:06:26
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| Next topic please, I fear that all to be said on this topic has been said. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 01:56:30
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Originally posted by Markustay
Define 'published'.
The Internet kinda makes this a hazy category these days. I've built three popular websites (only my DeviantART page remains).
And by 'published', does that mean only work for which money was received? Just curious.
Do school newspapers and magazines count? What about ideas? Some of my ideas have ended up in published works. What about Netbooks and Netzines?
I'm not looking to throw fuel on any fires, I am just wondering how far we can stretch the definition these days.
Oh... and I wrote a menu.
Seriously... a buddy of mine owns a restaurant and I wrote all the meal descriptions. Not exactly literature...
Define "popular"' |
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Azuth
Senior Scribe
USA
404 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 01:59:39
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Scribe or Wooly. can you lock this thread?
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Azuth, the First Magister
Lord of All Spells
The greatest expression of creativity is through Art.
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
USA
780 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 03:14:45
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Wow, Ive never had a post of mine string up so much
opinion is such a small period of time. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 04:25:18
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Originally posted by Azuth
Scribe or Wooly. can you lock this thread?
I should prefer to have Erik make that request. He did start the discussion, after all. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 04:46:59
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Well, before it does get locked, I'd just like to thank all the authors who chimed in, offer my heartfelt gratitude for all their work over the years on our favorite setting, and mention in passing that MT's definitions of published is quite accurate. Does a high school yearbook or poetry magazine count? I've done both. What about letters to newspapers? Been there, done that. Even been in a poetry book, and currently working on a web-comic. So if any of that counts as being a published writer, then I guess that makes me one.
On topic, I've never understood some people's need to be rude, crass, and uncivil when posting comments here or anywhere else, or for that matter, when making reviews of novels or other works by any of the authors here. What's the point? All it does is stir up anger and resentment that does no one any good- not even the poster who started the flame. As a Moderator on another forum, I've seen people start flame wars simply to annoy others, but frankly, I can think of FAR better ways to spend my time than pointlessly annoying people I do not even know. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 06:26:31
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I'd hate to see it locked because a few think there is no more to say. This scroll is full of examples good and bad posting....
Quite educational really! |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 16:34:26
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I think it'd be nice to quit while we're (mostly) ahead. I think this thread has run its course and the OP is fully addressed (I certainly feel satisfied). And while there's no doubt a lot more to say, I think it would best take place in devoted threads.
So Wooly/Sage, go ahead and lock this thread.
Thanks for the discussion everyone! Go forth and flame no more (or at least only as much as absolutely necessary).
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 17:08:59
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I think it'd be nice to quit while we're (mostly) ahead. I think this thread has run its course and the OP is fully addressed (I certainly feel satisfied). And while there's no doubt a lot more to say, I think it would best take place in devoted threads.
So Wooly/Sage, go ahead and lock this thread.
Thanks for the discussion everyone! Go forth and flame no more (or at least only as much as absolutely necessary).
Cheers
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