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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 :  06:26:38  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

And bardic liches with flute phylactories. Flactories? Fluctories? Hmmmm.....
I want to thank you for this awesome idea, Alystra. This is definitely something I'm going to tinker with.

In terms of what kind of music would be produced... I'm thinking something similar to that produced by the "evil" composer mentioned in Richard Lee Byers contribution to the Halls of Stormweather anthology -- "Song of Chaos." It was his evilly-crafted music that originally led to all the reality-altering perceptions of the guests at the concert. The musical composition of the evil composer's works in "Song of Chaos" demonstrates what perversely-inspired music can do to both people and their surroundings -- especially when the music itself is infused with magic.

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Maybe in the case of a bardic-lich, the music doesn't so much alternate reality, as it does provide benefits to certain types of undead, while encouraging negative effects upon its enemies. Ultimately, dirges and melancholic tunes would be the primary pieces among a bardic-lich's repertoire.

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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 :  06:32:27  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Arik

Flauteries, if you want to be technical. Although I was actually thinking more in terms of an insane bardic lich playing haunted anguished arias on his grand pipe organ phylactery.
Ooooh! The arias could be composed from the tortured cries of lost and/or plundered souls -- perhaps imprisoned within the pipe organ [and the phylactery being something else entirely], which the bardic-lich weaves into great symphonies of darkness and death. An eternal lament focusing on the life of a bardic-lich.
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Upon further reflection this might not be such a great idea. Unlike the usual gemstones and other talesma, musical instruments require constant tuning and maintenance, especially after untold decades or centuries (whether used or not). Unless the lich's magic or vital essence somehow preserves them, of course.
I would say that depends on the material used to construct the instrument-phylactery. Some options are stronger than others, after all.

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Ayrik
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 :  07:26:49  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A haunted soul organ and a dirge-playing undead organist. Wonderful ideas!

A gypsy lich with a violin phylactery also seems compelling.

I also like the concept of bardic powers/bonuses applying to undead minions. But a troubling detail: mindless undead don't make a great audience. Bards (and their magics) thrive on interaction, they are social creatures, yet most liches automatically emanate an aura of fear and death. Living creatures instinctively avoid and are repulsed by the undead. I think an endless unliving existence of solitude would be an unimaginable hell for any true bard. Illusions and such can go a long way, but even the most careful and meticulous lich (for instance, Szass Tam) cannot successfully disguise such unholy decay forever.

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Wow. Music seems to permeate every scroll. I never associated music with lichdom...

Anyway, quick question:

Is there an orc lich in the Realms?

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Ayrik
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 :  10:56:04  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dunno. There are gith liches, so who cares about orcs?

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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 :  03:27:06  Show Profile Send Dennis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Dunno. There are gith liches, so who cares about orcs?



I don't really care. I'm just a little curious. [I planned to read Weight of Blood which has a half-orc spellcaster. He's not a lich, thoug, AFAIK.]

Who are those gith liches? Are they in Toril? Or traveling the Realmspace?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 :  04:24:33  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Dunno. There are gith liches, so who cares about orcs?



I don't really care. I'm just a little curious. [I planned to read Weight of Blood which has a half-orc spellcaster. He's not a lich, thoug, AFAIK.]

Who are those gith liches? Are they in Toril? Or traveling the Realmspace?



Isn't the queen of the githyanki a lich?

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The Sage
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 :  04:27:24  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Dennis

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

Dunno. There are gith liches, so who cares about orcs?



I don't really care. I'm just a little curious. [I planned to read Weight of Blood which has a half-orc spellcaster. He's not a lich, thoug, AFAIK.]

Who are those gith liches? Are they in Toril? Or traveling the Realmspace?



Isn't the queen of the githyanki a lich?

Yes, Vlaakith, the Lich-Queen of the Githyanki.

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Ayrik
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Also Vlaakith's tl'a'ikith and kr'y'izoth servitors ... I'm not sure, but they could be liches. I've noted some adventures which happen to feature Githyanki liches here. They (and their phylacteries) seem to use standard lich rules.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 13 Mar 2011 :  08:48:01  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sage, there is a bardic class in Dragon #311 called the Dirgesinger. It might be what you're looking for! Also, was that evil bard you mentioned the same composer from the Dragon issue with the bardic necromantic spells? Can't remember the issue # or the character's name, but the title was something about a symphony.

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