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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 31 Oct 2003 : 19:15:54
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What character did you love to hate? In other words, what villain (or hero, for that matter) did you really want to see fail and why?
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For me, I know it's cliche', but when Regis cut the sliver of cloth holding aloft Artemis Entreri, I nearly cheered aloud. Regis was so very cold when he did it....it was such a turn for him...and Artemis, cool as he is, deserved every jag he hit as he fell...
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My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
275 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2003 : 22:15:54
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I love to hate generally but what villian is that can be an answer to this question?
Well, Elaith Craulnober, I would definately be like him if I were a villian but I enjoyed a lot when he was dying because of that poison. Nevertheless I couldn't help myself to cheer about his miracelous recovery.
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 01 Nov 2003 : 22:45:13
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Well this may come as no surprise to anyone but the HERO that I would LOVE to see FAIL is none other than.... Guess....
Drizzt!
How I so loathe the Altruistic fool...
Hopefully, his death is nigh! One can only wait and pray to the Spider Queen...
Granted my Drizzt Pile is still thick.. and I am slowly sifting through it... Infact what was a Shock that I, for a brief instant, cheered for Drizzt (Like Will-o-Deep said it was in 'Homeland', and 'Exile')...I am not proud of admiting that but it must be said... Of course that moment was fleeting... and now we're back where we started... but for a time it felt good to cheer for the 'good' guy.. now back to usual.
GLORY TO THE SPIDER QUEEN! |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
-Unknown |
Edited by - The Cardinal on 01 Nov 2003 22:46:42 |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2003 : 01:06:57
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Cardinal Deimos:
I want you to stop beating around the bush and being so vague. Please tell us how you really feel about Drizzt. No holding back from now on.  |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2003 : 01:17:44
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| The characters I've felt that way about have been Cyric, Rai-guy and Kimmuriel, Gorlist, Nisstyre, Shakti Hunzrin, Vestress, Telamont, Wulfgar, and Moander. |
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Trafaldi
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2003 : 03:59:41
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| I would have to say Jaraxle and Artemis what a pair. even though they are basically considered villians. when salvatore finally puts out a book on these two i think they may have a change of alignment. |
Some believe there is something more after death, if you really want to find out... go kill yourself and stop pestering me. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2003 : 10:41:05
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| That's really up in the air after Servant of the Shard and the story in Realms of Shadow... |
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Trafaldi
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2003 : 13:35:40
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| There have been rumors though that he was going to do one eventually. And when he wrote with them in the servant of the shard he dragged me in and I wanted to hear more of them. They are quite a pair. |
Some believe there is something more after death, if you really want to find out... go kill yourself and stop pestering me. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2003 : 17:01:34
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Well Trafaldi, good news. Check out Realms of Shadow - GREAT little story about Jarlaxle and Artemis in there....
Something that I love about Salvatore's short stories is that he is not afraid to change his characters in such a small venue. |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2003 : 21:53:01
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I hated Drizzt's sister Briza so bad that when Guenhwyvar stopped him from killing her I was upset with the cat for doing so at first.I got over it and knew she would get hers. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2003 : 04:24:14
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Originally posted by Trafaldi
There have been rumors though that he was going to do one eventually. And when he wrote with them in the servant of the shard he dragged me in and I wanted to hear more of them. They are quite a pair.
During his interview with Mortality Radio, Mr. Salvatore expressed the desire to write more of the pair in the future. Nothing apparently has been planned. However, it stands to figure that it will more than likely take place after the conclusion of this newest Drizzt series. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2003 : 20:49:01
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Oh - and God do I hate Malik... Man, talk about a character worth HATING!!! And that is what makes him so cool...!  |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Trafaldi
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2003 : 22:37:06
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Originally posted by ArionElenim
Well Trafaldi, good news. Check out Realms of Shadow - GREAT little story about Jarlaxle and Artemis in there....
Something that I love about Salvatore's short stories is that he is not afraid to change his characters in such a small venue.
Thanks ill have to check it out. |
Some believe there is something more after death, if you really want to find out... go kill yourself and stop pestering me. |
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Thysl
Seeker
USA
64 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 05:40:57
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Throw in another vote for Malik! That guy is the most unlucky sod EVER! How he isn't dead is a testament to the tenacity of the truly vile spirit! What a curse to have...
I also like Elaith but fear Mrs. Cunningham will turn him to good (or perhaps neutral, blah ) |
There are as many nights as days, and the one is just as long as the other in the year's course. Even a happy life cannot be without a measure of darkness, and the word 'happy' would lose its meaning if it were not balanced by sadness.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 06:12:04
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Originally posted by Thysl
I also like Elaith but fear Mrs. Cunningham will turn him to good (or perhaps neutral, blah)
Cosmic justice is a term Mrs. Cunningham constantly uses whenever you get her talking about Elaith and the future for him. I think anyone who read a certain spoiler in the Evermeet novel might be able to figure out exactly what type of cosmic justice might cross Elaith's footsteps one day. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 17:24:53
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Originally posted by ArionElenim
Oh - and God do I hate Malik... Man, talk about a character worth HATING!!! And that is what makes him so cool...!
Malik is a bit irritating, but hes so funny (such as in Crucible), how he describes the gods, praising Cyric but calling Mystra a whore and such |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2003 : 19:24:14
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I have to disagree...I think...
What makes Master Craulnober so unique is that he is the definition of what evil CAN be, not what it ALWAYS is in Forgotten Realms novels...in other words, he is not cruel. He is not malicious. He is not particularly fond of murder, lies, torture or backstabbing. Yet, he is undeniably evil. Not monolithically evil (boo!) but realistically evil (yea!).
I believe that Ms. Cunningham (bless her for her wondrous writing, DAMN HER TO THE NINE HELLS for not writing MUCH MUCH more) has put way too much effort into everyone's favorite elven nationalist to simply have him find Helm or some other silliness and abandon his vile ways.......or is vile even the right word  |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2003 : 06:23:35
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Originally posted by ArionElenim
I have to disagree...I think...
What makes Master Craulnober so unique is that he is the definition of what evil CAN be, not what it ALWAYS is in Forgotten Realms novels...in other words, he is not cruel. He is not malicious. He is not particularly fond of murder, lies, torture or backstabbing. Yet, he is undeniably evil. Not monolithically evil (boo!) but realistically evil (yea!).
I believe that Ms. Cunningham (bless her for her wondrous writing, DAMN HER TO THE NINE HELLS for not writing MUCH MUCH more) has put way too much effort into everyone's favorite elven nationalist to simply have him find Helm or some other silliness and abandon his vile ways.......or is vile even the right word
Hasn't written enough???
And where in Elaine Cunningham's stories did you think she tried to have Elaith "find Helm or some other silliness and abandon his vile ways?"
Vile isn't really a right word for Elaith. Ambigious would be a better one. |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Nov 2003 : 18:49:51
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Black, I'm agreeing with you...Cunningham wouldn't DO that to Craulnober...that's why I like him...
As far as the "not enough" comment, I just wish some more of her stuff was published....I'm a huge fan of hers and want to see more....we all know how I feel about Evermeet: IOE, for instance...it's simply brilliant. |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2003 : 19:20:57
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Originally posted by ArionElenim
Black, I'm agreeing with you...Cunningham wouldn't DO that to Craulnober...that's why I like him...
As far as the "not enough" comment, I just wish some more of her stuff was published....I'm a huge fan of hers and want to see more....we all know how I feel about Evermeet: IOE, for instance...it's simply brilliant.
Ah, understood. Sorry for the confusion. Trust me, if Elaith changes it will be less like a born again experience and more like....Jules Winfield from a very popular movie.
As for not enough writing. From what I recall if Elaine Cunningham had her wish, we'd already have had a novel featuring Elaith, a certain relative of his that he has no knowledge of, and a new elven Kingdom. WOTC apparently has other ideas as to what they wish to see in novels being released. |
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2003 : 18:12:57
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i hate Elmister he is just so powerful and wont die but he is sort of cool to  |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 06:23:40
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Cyric, I'd watch my tongue, I didn't, and hissy fits have been thrown because of my indiscretions concerning Elminster....
But I sure as hell agree with you.... |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 10:34:33
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| Yes, Elminster, is a tad... too powerful and more meddler than mortal... but I take consolation in that He is better alive than dead... after all does Faerun REALLY need a Saint Elminster? Or whatever reward a goodly god would bestow upon that fool? I think not!!! |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 16:40:12
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Yes, Elminster, is a tad... too powerful and more meddler than mortal... but I take consolation in that He is better alive than dead... after all does Faerun REALLY need a Saint Elminster? Or whatever reward a goodly god would bestow upon that fool? I think not!!!
Behold! I am Elminster, god of Uber-Monte Haul Players. Bow and worship me and if you are a fair looking lass....leave me directions to your quarters. |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 16:53:30
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That is exactly my point!
Besides he's HOW OLD? and still gets the girls?
*Sighs*
The realms are not fair.... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 23:52:18
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
That is exactly my point!
Besides he's HOW OLD? and still gets the girls?
*Sighs*
The realms are not fair....
It's the pipe and the beard....a deadly combination to the ladies.  |
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 15 Nov 2003 : 22:02:20
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| how can any hate Malik he is just the coolest. i hate Vala from the shade i just wish she die |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2003 : 01:57:46
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| Albalaster's Imp demon in the Cleric Quintet, Druzil. He's so impishly demon but you've just got to love the way he livens up the bad guy scenes. |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 14:36:51
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| and i hate all harpers, kill them i say |
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Maecenus of Westgate
Learned Scribe
USA
111 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 19:53:19
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Originally posted by Cyric
and i hate all harpers, kill them i say
I can't say that I hate the harpers, per se, but Danillo Thann really annoys me...This character alone caused me to drop kick the Elfsong novel across my livingroom one day.  |
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Yasraena
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 04:41:52
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Originally posted by Cyric
and i hate all harpers, kill them i say
Awwww, you're just mad 'cause we keep foiling all your evil plans Cyric! |
"Nindyn vel'uss malar verin z'klaen tlu kyone ulu naut doera nindel vel'bolen nind malar."
Yasraena T'Sarran
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Love to hate? (spoilers)
