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Bob12123
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 08:04:48
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Pretty simple, is the bhaalspawn saga canon?
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
233 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 08:08:40
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| Ah, it’s the guy who thinks Lockwood is not the greatest artist to ever be born. Anyway....I believe that the bhaalspawn saga, outside of what is written in those god-awful novels, is considered non-canon. So I guess that the answer is yes but not as depicted within the Baldur's Gate pc games. |
"A true warrior needs no sword" - Thors (Vinland Saga) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 09:18:05
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The novels are canon, yes. There are DRAGON articles dealing with the characters from the novels and details about the Bhaalspawn featured in 3e sources like LEoF.
The CRPGs however, are not. Simply because of the multiple and alternate endings for the games, which make it difficult to include them in official Realmslore.
And I'll just add that it's worth performing a search here at Candlekeep for prior discussions on the topic, as this has been brought many times.  |
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
233 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 09:27:31
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| Of course you can always be like me and pretend that the books do not exist and that your character and the path you chose in the CRPGs are the 'real' canon. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 12:58:26
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You could do that of course.
Anything you do can seriously alter the course of history, such as killing the Runemasters of the Twisted Rune in the game.
You could do something similar by adapting your actions in NWN to be effective in your world as well by killing Obould when you meet him (effectively saying byebye to the Kingdom of Many-Arrows before it even comes into being).  |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
8066 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 13:30:38
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Dogmatically blind adherence to canon is inadvisable and unnecessary.
My players read the same sourcebooks, articles, and novels as I ... and I can't let everything occur in predictable fashion. I don't care if my D&D is interchangeable with anyone else's because my table is the one where my players and I spend our time; it's not like I plan to hand it all over "intact" when my tenure as DM comes to an end. Equal parts planning and improvisation make the game more entertaining for all. Besides, there's too many interesting (and dare I say, oft times rigorously overanalyzed) fan-generated contributions for me to ignore. A lot of the best material is free. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 14:37:13
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| I can say that adhering to canon isn't bad or difficult unless you have a running game that has unfolding events that negate canonical events. Otherwise, if nothing is related, it is easy to simply state that happenings elsewhere (as per novels, etc...) are indeed taking place and news can come to the PCs simply to keep the realms alive and bigger than one location. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Synthalus
Learned Scribe
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 16:58:43
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| the mighty karsus spits on canon and rolls a critical hit on mystra for the win! |
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
— H.P. Lovecraft (The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories) |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 17:00:28
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Originally posted by Synthalus
the mighty karsus spits on canon and rolls a critical hit on mystra for the win!
Can't argue that. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
485 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 18:55:29
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Originally posted by Light
Ah, it’s the guy who thinks Lockwood is not the greatest artist to ever be born.
He's not  |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 18:58:38
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Originally posted by Arcanus
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Originally posted by Light
Ah, it’s the guy who thinks Lockwood is not the greatest artist to ever be born.
He's not
He's pretty close though |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
485 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 19:08:14
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Arcanus
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Originally posted by Light
Ah, it’s the guy who thinks Lockwood is not the greatest artist to ever be born.
He's not
He's pretty close though
Close, but no cigar 
Seriously though there have been many who have brought the realms to life with there own style and interpretation. Some I like more than others but they're all better than I could ever be.  |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 19:59:52
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Whatever happened to Abdel Adrian, anyway? Did he just live out his life as a regular Joe six-pack?
Seriously, when someone offers you the chance to be a GOD, you say YES.
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Female, 40-year DM of a homebrew-evolved 1E Realms, including a few added tidbits of 2E and 3E lore; played originally in AD&D, then in Rolemaster. Be a DM for your kids and grandkids, gaming is excellent for families! |
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Synthalus
Learned Scribe
USA
170 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 20:34:25
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| Raymond Stantz will he ever learn? |
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
— H.P. Lovecraft (The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories) |
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
233 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 06:29:47
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Originally posted by Alisttair
You could do something similar by adapting your actions in NWN to be effective in your world as well by killing Obould when you meet him
You can meet Obould in NWN? I totally missed this, I've got to look this up.
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Originally posted by Therise
Seriously, when someone offers you the chance to be a GOD, you say YES.
So true, which is why I, despite having played it so many times, have never seen the mortal ending. |
"A true warrior needs no sword" - Thors (Vinland Saga) |
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Bob12123
Acolyte
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 06:58:24
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Originally posted by The Sage
And I'll just add that it's worth performing a search here at Candlekeep for prior discussions on the topic, as this has been brought many times.
Sorry Sage! |
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
233 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 07:16:28
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| No "thank you light"? |
"A true warrior needs no sword" - Thors (Vinland Saga) |
Edited by - Light on 01 Mar 2011 07:18:59 |
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Bob12123
Acolyte
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 07:30:40
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Originally posted by Light
No "thank you light"?
None |
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
233 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 07:44:47
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Originally posted by Bob12123
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Originally posted by Light
No "thank you light"?
None
Sad Panda |
"A true warrior needs no sword" - Thors (Vinland Saga) |
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Bob12123
Acolyte
United Kingdom
9 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 08:24:01
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| Thanks Light |
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Light
Learned Scribe
Australia
233 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 08:34:18
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Originally posted by Bob12123
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Originally posted by Light
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Originally posted by Bob12123
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Originally posted by Light
No "thank you Light}?
None
Sad Panda
Thanks Light
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"A true warrior needs no sword" - Thors (Vinland Saga) |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 12:03:29
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Originally posted by Therise
Whatever happened to Abdel Adrian, anyway? Did he just live out his life as a regular Joe six-pack?
Seriously, when someone offers you the chance to be a GOD, you say YES.
IIRC he dies, but I played the games like 6 times and only read the novels once, so I don't know for sure. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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BlackAce
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
360 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 16:09:40
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| In the end, everyone dies BUT him. Even Jaheira gets turned into dragon poop. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 17:10:53
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Originally posted by BlackAce
In the end, everyone dies BUT him. Even Jaheira gets turned into dragon poop.
hehe oh yeah |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 18:00:20
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This thread makes me want to reinstall Baldur's Gate and play it through again.
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Female, 40-year DM of a homebrew-evolved 1E Realms, including a few added tidbits of 2E and 3E lore; played originally in AD&D, then in Rolemaster. Be a DM for your kids and grandkids, gaming is excellent for families! |
Edited by - Therise on 01 Mar 2011 18:00:46 |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 18:07:01
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Originally posted by Therise
This thread makes me want to reinstall Baldur's Gate and play it through again.
Yeah I get that feeling too. But after doing that 6 times already, I gotta smack myself into doing stuff I have yet to do once lol |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Is the bhaalspawn saga canon?
