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Aryalómë
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 Posted - 17 Feb 2011 : 01:19:02
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Does anyonehaveany maps or know of any cities (really need to know this) of these two plains? I don't know of any cities to make my Star Elf fresh from the Feywild to discover that Evermeet has been transported there. Plus I want an Avariel too *stomps foot*
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Cleric Generic
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Posted - 17 Feb 2011 : 09:56:20
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I've never heard of any maps, official or otherwise. In the 4e planar sourcebooks it's suggested that the Feywild (and Shadowfell) are roughly similar to the material plane, so Sildeyuir (or whatever's left of it) would presumably be stuck between Aglarond and the Fey-Aglarond analogue. Not the most informative answer, I know, but AFAIK there isn't much on it appart from the DM's own imaginings.
I can take a look in the 4e sourcebooks for non-FR cannon bits that might be portable, if u like. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Feb 2011 : 15:19:31
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Wasn't there a partial map of Sildeyuir in one of the the novels? I can't remember which one.....
Edit: Or I might be thinking of the map in Twilight Tomb module. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 17 Feb 2011 15:21:17 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 17 Feb 2011 : 21:24:01
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Yea, that's what I meant. :)
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Originally posted by The Sage
The module just had maps to certain locations on the plane, as I recall... not the entirety of the extra-dimensional space.
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For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 Feb 2011 : 00:29:38
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| I really hope they make a source book for the Feywild (I mean, they did for the Astral Sea ans Shadowfell) and mke it FR friendly. I want to know what the Fae races were ip to, tye ones that didn't migrate from the Feeywild, that is. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 20 Nov 2011 : 20:26:42
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Casts *Raise thread*
I was actually looking for Quale's thread (which I found), but decided this would be a better fit (mostly because this one is smaller and I'd rather not clog his with further discussion).
I have been toying with the idea of a Feywild map for some time now (as discussed in the other thread), and was wondering if anyone knew any really good sources of Faerie-lore (not necessarily D&D/RPG). I believe someone pointed out a particular novel series that deals with some of the realms and major personages of Faerie, and I was trying to establish a list.
Thus far (from memory), we had the Spring (Beltain?) Prince, the Summer Princess (sometimes referred to as the 'faery queen'), the Harvest King, and the Winter Queen, and some sort of progression where the holders of the first two posts eventually took over the the later two posts. I'm just trying to get it straight in my head what realms need to be included.
And a related question: what was the stable formation of Krynn, Toril, & Oerth called in Spelljammer? |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 20 Nov 2011 : 20:55:23
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It has been suggested that Toril's Feywild mirrored Toril's geography as it appeared originally, before the Sundering. It seems likely that the Sundering, while it displaced much of Toril's geography, did not extend across the planes to Faerie. Neither would it have been scarred by Tearfall, when a small ice-moon fell from the sky and carved the Sea of Fallen Stars.
There is an excellent reference map of pre-Sundering and pre-Tearfall Toril on p.6 of The Grand History of the Realms. I would suggest that this map would be a good place to start in creating a map of Toril's Feywild. One of those two little islands under the words "Black Sea" might be a good location for Tintageer, the island realm in Faerie that the Sun & moon elves came from originally.
It could be that the Feywild has had it's own FSE's (Feywild Shaking Events) that have changed it's map in some way. But even so, it should no longer be a mirror of Toril. And if it has diverged from the Days of Thunder era map, then it should have changed in ways that are different than from what took place on Toril. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 17:26:56
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Good idea Gray - it resolves something that I was worried about.
I picture the Feywild looking like a vast, mist-ridden sea (mirroring the entire Prime Material, with the sea taking the place of the phlogiston). The scale is much smaller - I'm thinking on average 1/5 the size/distance of most things, but this changes in direct proximity to settled regions. In other words, where Waterdeep is on Toril, an equivalent Fey settlement would be in the same spot in Faerie, but be about 1/5 the size, but out in the middle of the sea, a small isle that takes the place of a (uninhabited) Prime Material planetoid would be 1/1000 of the size. The size and distance of things are dependent upon their relative importance in 'the real world'.
This is why traveling through fey-gates are always a great short-cut - as you move away from settlements the distance compresses and you are able to travel great distances in little time (which is what happened in the Moonshae novels).
Ringing the vast Sea would be an impossibly large mountain range, where the primordial giants dwell (the 'true giants' that all others are descended from). There would still be a great variety of them, just like in the Prime, but they would be more akin to 'racial paragons' of each sub-group.
The sea itself would be filled with large islands that are the same layout as the continents on each prime world. Something similar was done in Larry Niven's Ringworld Engineers - the Ringworld had a HUGE ocean where exact replicas of the maps of several planets were duplicated (including Earth, Mars, & Kzinn IIRC). And there is a RW example - The Dubai Islands.
Also, as you move away from settled regions, things become more 'chaotic' - you could get easily turned around and lost, and as you move away from land into the sea, visibility becomes obstructed by a silvery mist, which becomes denser and denser as you travel from the coast (making sea-travel in the Feywild incredibly difficult, unless you 'know the way'). Sometimes you can find a helpful Triton navigator, for a price.
The reason why I asked about the triad of main planets in SJ is because Toril, Krynn, & Oerth would be in the same pattern in the Feywild, and be the easiest to navigate (and not nearly as far from each other as most of the others). Worlds that are somehow 'disconnected' form others in the Prime (Eberron, Athas) would be extremely difficult to reach from the others (aside from the thickening mists, you would also have obstacles of the organic and inorganic kind). The mists, of course, mimic the Shadowfel's mists, which are the mists that surround Ravenloft (except the silvery mist would be a light - almost inviting - unlike the dark, malevolent shadowmists). Even Ravenloft would have a Fey counterpart (Dovecrest?) - now I have to wonder what Prime word might exist to account for the Domains of Dread - a dead one? Threnody? 
One of my problems was that the map would look like a great series of archipelagos - not unlike Earthsea - but with what you propose Gray, I could instead use the primordial (pre-sundered) Pangea of each world (which might make some of them look very similar... hmmmm...) - that might give me a cleaner look. Obviously my map would not be able to include every world, and I would have to allow for different Feywilds (if any) for each multiverse (in other words, all those Earths from DC and Marvel comics would be contained in separate dimensions). Basically I was picturing the three major Prime (D&D) worlds, with others (Mystara, Earth, Aebrynis) not too far off, and then still other, well-known settings beyond those (Golarion, Newhon, Middle Earth, the Young Kingdoms, Warhammer, etc), and eventually I would just place a misty, unknown band around the sea, and THEN the mountains - the misty band would represent unknown distance and worlds/islands (since an accurate map of the Feywild I am picturing would be nearly impossible).
The three main worlds would be central, in a triangular pattern, and have huge maelstrom twirling about in the center. Don't ask me what that is - I don't have it all figured it out yet... I just thought it sounded cool (and gave a reason for central triad of worlds).
Any thoughts? Input, anyone? |
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Geography of the Feywilds and Sildeyuir
