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Wooly Rupert
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 Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 17:11:43
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| I should also like to point out that we know of at least one Chosen that died, but still lingered despite that death -- Syluné. I would consider her further evidence that Mystra generally doesn't raise dead Chosen. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 20:46:27
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Originally posted by Arcanus
What is Asmodeus god of exactly?
In the Realms, Asmodeus is officially the god of Sin. He's a god of tyranny, like Bane, but where as Bane's dogma is to rule with an iron fist, Asmodeus puts a silk glove over that fist. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 22:01:08
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Fuzzy Rupert
I should also like to point out that we know of at least one Chosen that died, but still lingered despite that death -- Syluné. I would consider her further evidence that Mystra generally doesn't raise dead Chosen.
Moreover, Syluné's lingering spectral presence was destroyed in 1374DR by Sharran ritual activities, though she again lingered on (this time as some sort of sentient silverfire) until completely destroyed (or perhaps sacrificing herself) in 1375DR while disrupting the Sharran ritual.
So Syluné was killed thrice. Symbolically rich, three is a witchy number and all. Arguably a bizarre form of triple-suicide. |
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 22:14:38
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Originally posted by Arik
]Moreover, Syluné's lingering spectral presence was destroyed in 1374DR by Sharran ritual activities, though she again lingered on (this time as some sort of sentient silverfire) until completely destroyed (or perhaps sacrificing herself) in 1375DR while disrupting the Sharran ritual.
So Syluné was killed thrice. Symbolically rich, three is a witchy number and all. Arguably a bizarre form of triple-suicide.
I've always wondered if there might a sort of "out" for Syluné's ghost down at Castle Faerntarn in Tethyr, where flagstones from her cottage floor were included as part of the restoration in 1369, allowing her to appear there (though she habitually wore the guise of the Tethyrian Queen Alisande when she did). Like maybe she--or some part of her ghostly essence--managed to flee there or otherwise survive there in some fashion.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 22:42:03
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As I recall, she could pop up anywhere where there were pieces of her cottage, and people would sometimes carry pebbles that enabled her to show up whereever they were. It's an interesting theory, but I'm inclined to assume that she was, in fact, destroyed, as those modules indicate.
Assuming, of course, that you use those modules in your Realms. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 23:12:02
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Well, the vast majority of people who die (even in the Realms!) don't turn into spectres or other disembodied ghostly sorts who hang around pretending that nothing happened, oh it was just a bad day and I got killed but I'm okay now.
Yet Syluné became one, indicating that so far 100% of Mystra's Chosen seem to bypass normal operating procedure when they die. Perhaps one day spectral Elminster and Khelben will be handing out bits of stone from their towers.
No need for Mystra to resurrect her Chosen, they're apparently immortal even after death. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 23:16:25
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| Truthfully, a large number of powerful mortals in the Realms appear to bypass normal operating procedure when it comes to death. Hardly unique to Mystra's Chosen. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 23:44:31
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| I remember a while back Ed put out an article in Dragon concerning the "Friendly ghost of Silverymoon" in post spellplague realms. At the time I had speculated that she had been Alustrial, though there wasn't much in the article to support that. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 23:47:36
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Originally posted by Arik
Well, the vast majority of people who die (even in the Realms!) don't turn into spectres or other disembodied ghostly sorts who hang around pretending that nothing happened, oh it was just a bad day and I got killed but I'm okay now.
Yet Syluné became one, indicating that so far 100% of Mystra's Chosen seem to bypass normal operating procedure when they die. Perhaps one day spectral Elminster and Khelben will be handing out bits of stone from their towers.
No need for Mystra to resurrect her Chosen, they're apparently immortal even after death.
Ah, but the same thing did not happen to Khelben. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 09 Feb 2011 : 23:57:41
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Originally posted by Arik
Well, the vast majority of people who die (even in the Realms!) don't turn into spectres or other disembodied ghostly sorts who hang around pretending that nothing happened, oh it was just a bad day and I got killed but I'm okay now.
Yet Syluné became one, indicating that so far 100% of Mystra's Chosen seem to bypass normal operating procedure when they die. Perhaps one day spectral Elminster and Khelben will be handing out bits of stone from their towers.
No need for Mystra to resurrect her Chosen, they're apparently immortal even after death.
Ah, but the same thing did not happen to Khelben.
Indeed. And, as I recall, Steven Schend talked about this when he spoke about Khelben's death, here at Candlekeep a few years back. I'll dig out the relevant replies. |
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Arioch
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Feb 2011 : 08:26:43
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Originally posted by Markustay
Anyhow, I am sure nearly everyone here who runs/plays D&D (not just fans of the setting) run their own versions of FR, but I am just as sure most of us aware of (and respectful of) the canon lore, regardless of weather we use it or not. what most of us do here is try to discover new ways to use the lore, twisting and bending it in odd directions no one has thought of yet.
It doesn't mean we don't like the canon or don't know it just because we may not use all of it in our own interpretations. Part of the fun of this site is bouncing ideas off of each other. Most of the theories we throw around are purely 'what if' type mental exercises (as in, "how can we make this work without breaking canon?").
I'll never use 98% of the stuff I discuss here, but its fun to think about.
That is exactly my opinion too! 
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MEGA-RSE that started with the theft of the Tablets of Fate and ended with the Spellplague.
I agree with you!! I had the same suspect a while ago, when I started this thread: http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11771
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A question I posed to Ed a little while back
