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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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 Posted - 18 Feb 2011 : 01:42:37
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Originally posted by Therise
Maybe they get killed so often they're evolving before our eyes!  
I originally thought of them as little dog people, like baby gnolls. What edition does that come from?
And is it ickier to imagine dog-kobold x human or scaly-kobold x human?
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Feb 2011 : 01:55:08
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Therise
Maybe they get killed so often they're evolving before our eyes!
I originally thought of them as little dog people, like baby gnolls. What edition does that come from?
And is it ickier to imagine dog-kobold x human or scaly-kobold x human?
Cheers
That might be more in the 1E period. The AD&D monster manual has a pic of them that gives them a snubbed doggy snout, with big pointed ears and little devil horns; and their tail was more rat-like. Also in that pic, they could be covered in scales -or- they could be wearing a kind of scale mail, it's hard to tell. But there were lots of different pics of the kobold down through the years.
OH! I just remembered. It's the Baldur's Gate game (original) where they were given little doggy "yip yip!" voices and snarly growls.
If they're the doggy-style kobold, would a human liaison be "puppy love"? Eeewww! hehe 
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Feb 2011 : 03:42:12
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Feb 2011 : 08:46:35
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| This version is ok, fixes the inconsistencies. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 18 Feb 2011 : 19:19:54
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Because I have been gaming since the Stone Age, I find I have to reason this out, rather then just retcon it:
I would imagine that the original (D&D version) were more along the lines of little (rabid) dog-people, probably some sort of goblin-Gnoll Hybrid (humanoids are obviously not picky when they rut). If we go all the way back to folklore with this, they were more gnome-like, so this may have originated with a degenerated group of Gnomes (like mongrel men, but starting with gnomes as a base).
At some point, they gained draconic blood. From a metagaming stand-point we know this happened in RotD, but their look has been evolving since 1e. I haven't read their history in that tome, so I'm not sure how well what I say will mesh with that (which is core canon, so we can twist it a bit). I think what happened to some of them (there are still primitive little dog-versions running around as far as I'm concerned) was similar to what happened with Dragonborn. The new, 3e Kobold was the old kobold with a draconic bloodline.
At least, that's how I see it. We should give them their own name, just to differentiate them. I was thinking UrKobold for the new ones, but the problem with that is that the new one takes precedence over the old one in source, so it would be better to name the old one something else (and the 'Ur' prefix doesn't really work for me then).
Apparently there is a sea-going variant (Klabautermann). The Kobold Wiki entry says that creature is a type of Kobold, but when I read it's own entry it seems more related to the Leprecaun-type fey creatures (small men who occasionally help with common chores).
I will definitely have to work this evolving race into my 'complete history of the multiverse'. It makes some sense they would have some fey heritage, given their mutable nature. I'm warming to the idea of a Gnome (Fey blood right there - thanks 4e! ) version of mongrelmen; that sounds about right.
Now I have to wonder if Orcs are the Elven version of Mongrelmen. 
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I prefer the 2nd ed version. I always loved the pic in the MM!
THIS one?  |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Feb 2011 : 20:49:35
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| In my Realms the fey creator race was artificial, they were outsiders and tried to merge their spirits to other creator races, e.g. doppelgangers/changelings (amphibians), faerie dragons, dark nagas, jabberwock and kobolds (reptiles), avariel (avians), voadkyn and fomorians etc. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 18 Feb 2011 : 22:13:24
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I prefer the 2nd ed version. I always loved the pic in the MM!
THIS one?
Ah, that's what I was thinking of. I remember seeing the kobolds in 3e and going "Eh?" Though by now I'm so used to it I don't even think about it.
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Christopher_Rowe
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 01:51:13
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| I just got my author's copies of Sandstorm yesterday and have been reading it. I can't believe I didn't remember this through this whole long discussion. Although the mention is brief and the two characters in question don't even have dialogue (one doesn't even appear on page), there are, in fact, a human man and a halfling woman mentioned as being married to one another in my novel. So there's some Realmslore precedent, or will be as of March 1st, anyway. |
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woodwwad
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 02:03:35
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| I agree it is iky. I had a male human & halfling (hin) female romance in my game between 2 npcs, they weren't really meant to be liked and the players found them highly nasty. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 05:41:33
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Yup! I'll second that! Kender are just half-gnomelings.....
No, they're more than that. A thorough reading of DRAGONLANCE lore proves that. 
Sage, I was joking, you realize.... I know the history, though I still prefer some of the other suggested origins.
MT, to answer your question, I have no idea. Forsome reason, the link refuses to load on my PC. Can't see the pic. |
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Fellfire
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 06:00:10
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Alystra Illianniis
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 19 Feb 2011 : 08:23:53
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Yup! I'll second that! Kender are just half-gnomelings.....
No, they're more than that. A thorough reading of DRAGONLANCE lore proves that.
Sage, I was joking, you realize.... I know the history, though I still prefer some of the other suggested origins.
Oh, I know. I was kinda conveying an alternate point with my comment, though. Maybe I should've placed greater emphasis on the more wording in my reply. My intent was to allude to a kender's other more troublesome antics and the like. |
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Gavinfoxx
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Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 07:07:17
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*Randomly does a quick search on this topic on some search engines and a few likely image posting places*
...Yuuup. People have thought of this before. And have plenty of rule 34 on the topic too. Of various gender combinations... |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 18:05:17
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Are halfling female's heads semi-flat enough to support a beer?
Are halfling female's mouths smaller than a human midgets?
These are the questions that come to mind.
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
And now for something completely different . . .
In honor of a discussion I had with an editor of mine, I'm doing what I promised/threatened to do, which is this:
Halfling + Human romance. Icky?
Discuss!
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 18:20:07
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I don't think we really need comments like that.  |
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Gavinfoxx
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Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 18:43:02
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I don't think we really need comments like that.
Which, Sley's or mine or both? |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 22:17:55
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After all the things I've seen paired during my warcraft days? That seems downright tame.
From a story perspective; if the interaction between these two characters made sense leading up to them getting into a relationship, then race doesn't matter. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 10 Mar 2011 : 20:01:29
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| Other genres sometimes explore romance between (or at least offspring from) humans and machines, aliens, "monsters", or even entirely different orders of life/sentience. Love takes many forms, eh? Although I'm predisposed towards harder biological imperatives taking precedance over soft romantic ones; I'd personally think species who are "closer" in form have more in common (and thus more interest in each other as potential partners) whereas those who differ by greater degree would be utterly disinterested or repulsed by the idea. Humans and halflings are, in the grand scheme of things fantasy/sci-fi, remarkably similar creatures. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 00:00:07
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*Meh*
Love is a Conditioned Response.
Procreation is important, and if two species cannot breed, then it is merely 'companionship', and so long as they enjoy each other's company, then no big deal. I've often wondered at why someone (Capt. Kirk comes to mind) would want to 'jump on' every alien they meet. After all, if it isn't human, then isn't that the definition of bestiality?
So by 20th century laws, Capt. Kirk is a hardened criminal.
Or at least, a degenerate.
Anyhow, if the prospect of children isn't involved, then like I said, its only companionship (which is love, but not romantic love). I watch the TV series 'V', and no matter how hot they look, I still know they are reptiles on the inside.
Just YUCK....
I guess my point is, the physical aspect of a relationship does not define it; the feelings do. I have had male friends I 'loved' far more then many of my girlfriends, but I certainly didn't want to sleep with any of them. To me, that would be the same type of love I could feel toward a non-human. I suppose if I grew-up in an environment surrounded by other sentient species I might feel differently, but as of right now, a female of another species (like and alien or a demi-human) would be the same to me as me 'checking-out' a female Ape, or a dog for that matter. I could 'love' them, but I wouldn't want to 'make love' to them.
I guess in another setting, I would be considered a xenophobic humanist (and probably a racist, LOL).
I'm not sure if I'm getting my point across clearly. Basically, if it isn't human, why get physical at all? Why can't you just be really great companions and that be the end of it? Is the physical aspect of the relationship really that important? And if so, then maybe you should be questioning your motives. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 00:59:25
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| MT, there IS such a thing as romantic love without procreation. In fantasy and sci-fi, there are all sorts of species who are close enough to humans to have romantic feelings and even to "make love", they just can't inter-breed. (Like a Vulcan/Klingon. They could fall in love, just could not have kids.) And it's certainly not the same thing as checking out an ape. For one thing, apes do not share our mental sophistication, language skills, abstract thought, ideologies, etc. (AFAWK) Also, a humanoid species generally has very similar appearance, enough so as to affect the areas of the brain that dictate attraction. For the most part (and for all but the most utterly deviant) apes or dogs do not. I don't know of many people who would find an ape attractive at all, but a nearly human-looking being like an elf or Andorian? Sure, why not? If aliens float you boat, I see no reason why you can't get physical, even if kids are not possible. Even a Klingon could be considered attractive in a very primal sense, or, I suppose,certain orcs. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 01:05:11
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Originally posted by Quale
In my Realms the fey creator race was artificial, they were outsiders and tried to merge their spirits to other creator races, e.g. doppelgangers/changelings (amphibians), faerie dragons, dark nagas, jabberwock and kobolds (reptiles), avariel (avians), voadkyn and fomorians etc.
Do you have any expansive notes on your artificial fey Creator Race, Quale? I'm positively intrigued by this. |
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idilippy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 01:10:26
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For human-halfling love, as far as the 4ft tall 4e halflings go I find that much less icky than the thought of a barely 3ft tall halfling with a full sized human. Maybe it shouldn't make any difference to me if they're both consenting adults but it does, I just can't help it.
As for inner species romance, I like how in Mass Effect 2 when on Ilium you can hear the 'bachelor party' chatting as they watch the Asari dancer. Each of the different species is humanoid, but obviously very different, yet they all find themselves attracted to the Asari and argue about whether she looks Human, Salarian, or Turian and wondering if the Asari was subtly influencing their minds to make them appear similar to whatever species looks at them. I thought that was a pretty smart excuse for there being an entire race that is universally seen as attractive by every other race. That has more to do with the conditioned love/romantic love tangent then the original topic, but I like the explanation that the Asari are able to incite the conditioned response of love for procreation from every species through their subtle, innate mental abilities rather than everyone in the universe finding human-like women attractive. |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 14:22:42
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| For the halfling and human romance I would say that I like the idea, as I use to find halflings as easy going and real nice folks; I use to play halfling wizards anyway; about other kind of relationships as half-orc or things like that, got to say that I can't find a reason to avoid it either. Love is free :) |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 18:17:10
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Originally posted by Markustay
Procreation is important, and if two species cannot breed, then it is merely 'companionship', and so long as they enjoy each other's company, then no big deal. I've often wondered at why someone (Capt. Kirk comes to mind) would want to 'jump on' every alien they meet. After all, if it isn't human, then isn't that the definition of bestiality?
That particular definition is based on the premise that only humans are intelligent beings, capable of self-determination and the consequences of free will. This is not the situation in most fantasy and sci-fi.
Even in the real world, there's a lot of variations between what people find attractive. You don't even have to get into fetishes or kinks to find those variations... So it's perfectly reasonable, to me, to think that a human might be sexually attracted to an elf, a Na'vi, a Minbari, a Vulcan, or a Twi'lek.
Your mention of Kirk does bring something else to mind, though... I've long joked that Kirk is proof that Starfleet has an insanely effective antibiotics/immunization program. All those alien races, never before encountered by humans, and Kirk never caught anything from any of them...
It's been a source of amusement to me, but it does make me wonder about the possibility, in a fantasy world, of sexually transmitted diseases that affect one race but not another, or that have differing effects on different races. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 18:36:22
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Well, I guess I am just looking at things in a broader sense - Orcs are NOT attractive, yet we have lots of orc/Human couplings. Goblins are both small AND repulsive, yet we have a least one canon example of a human/Goblin crossbreed (which was facilitated by the human rape of the Goblin!)
So when it comes to the 'ickiness level' of inter-breeding, why is more acceptable if the creature is 'prettier'? Several monstrous species can change their appearances - Fiends, Dragons, Dopplegangers, etc - so I just don't 'get it'. Why do Fantasy (and I suppose Scyfi) humans not care what's 'on the inside'. Are people REALLY that shallow? An Elf is no less alien then an Orc, but if a human female is walking around town with her Elf lover, that is acceptable, whereas her Orc lover would not be.
I don't know... something about this whole subject just rubs me the wrong way. I guess if I was born in a culture with other sentient creatures I might feel different, but I just ain't feeling it. I underrated 80's movie - Enemy Mine - gives us a very clear picture of why such things would be hard to fathom. The human became very good friends with his alien enemy, and toward the end, found out his friend was actually a female of it's species (it gave birth). At no time did the protagonist ever feel anything beyond deep friendship for the other being. In other words, if you can't tell it's female, why the hell would you develop those sorts of feelings? I understand the argument with halflings and elves, but DWARVES? Canon states that it is very hard to tell males from females, especially the groups that prefer to go bearded (in the case of the females). It doesn't strike anyone as peculiar that a normal* human male would want to kiss someone with a better beard then him?
Like I said, I guess if I grew-up on such a world as Toril these things wouldn't bother me so much, but coming from a planet where anything sentient-but-not-human would be considered either an alien, demonic, or a monster, its a bit hard for me not to feel a lot of this is contrived (not just in FR or D&D, but in the whole Fantasy/Scyfi genre).
Also, I am pretty sure a Vucan/Klingon crossbreed is possible - humans can breed with both (Spock, B'Eelanna), and Klingons can breed with Romulans (Ba'el)... who were part of the Vulcan race millenia ago. It seems that in space, just like in D&D, humans are like dogs and will jump anything.
EDIT: Excellent point, Wooly! I hadn't even considered that! If two races are alike enough to be able to breed, then most diseases should be transmittable. I suppose in a fantasy setting with literally hundreds (thousands?) of other sentients on the same world such things would have been 'worked-out' through evolution long ago, but in a Scyfi (or SJ) campaign, new worlds/species mean new diseases.
*And before someone construes an insult in that, by 'normal' I mean 'average', as in 'the run-of-the-mill' human male. A LOT of this argument could go the other way in the case of same-gender preferences. Whereas the 'bearded' argument goes right out the window, you end up with brand new ones like male orc/male Human... which I don't even want to think about. |
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Portella
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 18:52:17
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| You know in the sell swords book dont know which one salvatore implied that artemis had feelings for and vice-versa with a halfling woman from calisham I dont remember her name. So it has been done or implied before I dont see any issues. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 19:00:12
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Originally posted by Markustay
Well, I guess I am just looking at things in a broader sense - Orcs are NOT attractive, yet we have lots of orc/Human couplings. Goblins are both small AND repulsive, yet we have a least one canon example of a human/Goblin crossbreed (which was facilitated by the human rape of the Goblin!)
So when it comes to the 'ickiness level' of inter-breeding, why is more acceptable if the creature is 'prettier'? Several monstrous species can change their appearances - Fiends, Dragons, Dopplegangers, etc - so I just don't 'get it'. Why do Fantasy (and I suppose Scyfi) humans not care what's 'on the inside'. Are people REALLY that shallow? An Elf is no less alien then an Orc, but if a human female is walking around town with her Elf lover, that is acceptable, whereas her Orc lover would not be.
I don't know... something about this whole subject just rubs me the wrong way. I guess if I was born in a culture with other sentient creatures I might feel different, but I just ain't feeling it. I underrated 80's movie - Enemy Mine - gives us a very clear picture of why such things would be hard to fathom. The human became very good friends with his alien enemy, and toward the end, found out his friend was actually a female of it's species (it gave birth). At no time did the protagonist ever feel anything beyond deep friendship for the other being. In other words, if you can't tell it's female, why the hell would you develop those sorts of feelings? I understand the argument with halflings and elves, but DWARVES? Canon states that it is very hard to tell males from females, especially the groups that prefer to go bearded (in the case of the females). It doesn't strike anyone as peculiar that a normal* human male would want to kiss someone with a better beard then him?
Like I said, I guess if I grew-up on such a world as Toril these things wouldn't bother me so much, but coming from a planet where anything sentient-but-not-human would be considered either an alien, demonic, or a monster, its a bit hard for me not to feel a lot of this is contrived (not just in FR or D&D, but in the whole Fantasy/Scyfi genre).
Also, I am pretty sure a Vucan/Klingon crossbread is possible - humans can breed with both (Spock, B'Eelanna), and Klingons can breed with Romulans (Ba'el)... who were part of the Vulcan race millenia ago. It seems that in space, just like in D&D, humans are like dogs and will jump anything.
EDIT: Excellent point, Wooly! I hadn't even considered that! If two races are alike enough to be able to breed, then most diseases should be transmittable. I suppose in a fantasy setting with literally hundreds (thousands?) of other sentients on the same world such things would have been 'worked-out' through evolution long ago, but in a Scyfi (or SJ) campaign, new worlds/species mean new diseases.
*And before someone construes an insult in that, by 'normal' I mean 'average', as in 'the run-of-the-mill' human male. A LOT of this argument could go the other way in the case of same-gender preferences. Whereas the 'bearded' argument goes right out the window, you end up with brand new ones like male orc/male Human... which I don't even want to think about.
What's a crossbread?
We've got plenty of people in the real world willing to have sex with someone pretty, regardless of what that person is like... I know I myself have been in lust more than once. |
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Portella
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Posted - 11 Mar 2011 : 22:03:02
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aye found her name Dwahvel Tiggerwillies but in the book it is implied that it is more then close friend ship they wish it could have happen
"Entreri became close friends with a halfling by the name of Dwahvel Tiggerwillies, the guildmistress of a halfling guild based in the Calimport. He was able to confide in her, which was a rare thing indeed for the assassin." - from wikipedia |
Purple you say?!
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Halfling x Human Romance: Icky? Discuss!
