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Diffan
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 Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 14:05:04
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Actually, Drizzt is a good example of a believable character in a game setting. Much gets made of his supposed munchkinism, and yes, there are literally thousands of clones played by power-gamers and others, but it's as much the items he uses (and HOW he uses them) as his skills(feats) that make him such a powerful character both in the books and in game stats. It's precisely the innovative thinking that makes him stand out, but that doesn't make him a power-gaming character by any means.
Ahh, now I get it. So it doesn't matter how the character is built (like feats, spells, etc..) so much as how the player uses said build. The fact that the player is using DMM to Persistant spells isn't so bad as the fact that he's doing so just to kill monsters faster or become some juggernaut. If he were to throw himself in front of bad-guys to protect his squishy allies, heal them when they needed him to, and/or cast Buff spells on the party to help, then I don't see a problem with the build at all. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 15:42:23
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Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Actually, Drizzt is a good example of a believable character in a game setting. Much gets made of his supposed munchkinism, and yes, there are literally thousands of clones played by power-gamers and others, but it's as much the items he uses (and HOW he uses them) as his skills(feats) that make him such a powerful character both in the books and in game stats. It's precisely the innovative thinking that makes him stand out, but that doesn't make him a power-gaming character by any means.
Ahh, now I get it. So it doesn't matter how the character is built (like feats, spells, etc..) so much as how the player uses said build. The fact that the player is using DMM to Persistant spells isn't so bad as the fact that he's doing so just to kill monsters faster or become some juggernaut. If he were to throw himself in front of bad-guys to protect his squishy allies, heal them when they needed him to, and/or cast Buff spells on the party to help, then I don't see a problem with the build at all.
That's been part of my stance: I'm not looking at the rules, I'm looking at someone who serves a deity and yet doesn't do anything that deity would want him to do. |
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Delanish
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 16:18:59
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Again my above statement.
If the Cleric is not following the domains of his Deity have his Deity take away his clerical powers until he makes an atonement and better serves his Deity |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 16:52:20
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Originally posted by Delanish
Again my above statement.
If the Cleric is not following the domains of his Deity have his Deity take away his clerical powers until he makes an atonement and better serves his Deity
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 00:21:55
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| I don't see a problem with the build PER-SE, but I'm wondering just HOW he got that build. This is why I would be VERY hesitant to allow it even if legal. It just smacks of so much rule-bending and self-serving attitude, which should never be allowed to control the game. Which is basically what he seems to be trying to do- dominate the game byout-powering the other players. (And what's his AL, again? Seems sort of NE, to me- surely NOT in Helm's range!) |
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 05:26:08
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Actually, Drizzt is a good example of a believable character in a game setting. Much gets made of his supposed munchkinism, and yes, there are literally thousands of clones played by power-gamers and others, but it's as much the items he uses (and HOW he uses them) as his skills(feats) that make him such a powerful character both in the books and in game stats. It's precisely the innovative thinking that makes him stand out, but that doesn't make him a power-gaming character by any means.
So you can behave like a munchkin, so long as you're a really good roleplayer who thinks on his or her feet?
I'm not being snarky, I'm just saying it seems like you're taking both sides of the argument.
Drizzt "stands out" to gamers because he duel wields and kicks ass.
Yes, there's an appeal with Drizzt in terms of his personality and "go it alone" style (at least in his early years) that a gamer might hearken to as he or she matures into the rest of the D&D game, but this isn't and never has been the core of what attracted gamers to Drizzt. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 05:44:55
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To be honest, I don't see Drizzt behaving like a munchkin at all. Just because a character is good at what they do does NOT make them a munchkin. Honestly, neither his build in-game nor his actions in the novels are particularly "munchkin-y", IMO. I was never as attracted to his "bad-a$$-ness" as I was his PERSONALITY. In the end, THAT is what made him a stand-out character. One who is confident, understands himself and his limitations (and YES, he DOES have them!) and who is capable of going it alone but still wants to be accepted by and live among others. Truthfully, he could have stayed in Mooshie's grove if he had wanted to- he had the skills to live on his own quite well. But he CHOSE to take his chances with others, and to try to overcome the prejudice and hared of most surface-dwellers for the chance to find a place he could belong. The fact that Drizzt spawned so many "clones" is more a testament to his appeal as a "social underdog" and an outcast misfit who still manages to hold his principals in spite of everything around him- NOT because he's a butt-kicking dark elf blender set to "puree". I never read the books for his battle prowess, and I'm guessing most other fans didn't either. We read them because we RELATED to his difficulties in "fitting in"!!!
Gamers MIGHT be a different story, but I doubt it, simply because most gamer fans of Drizzt were fans of the novels FIRST. Which just means that they most likely wanted to play a character like him because of the incredible ROLE-playing opportunities first and foremost, and NOT just for his dual-wielding bad-a$$ery. |
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Jorin Embersmith
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 08:20:30
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Update from Fox Ridge, Shadowdale!
So, the player in question decided that playing that cleric would indeed be problematic, as he likes to run away and live more than protect anyone and possibly die...
So, out of the goodness of my heart, (and the fact that he purchased for me a copy of every Volo's Guidebook) I let him play a class he has wanted to for a while: warlock.
Yes, he is playing a Star Elf Warlock, and Beshaba is now perched on her throne, laughing uproariously at me.
I should have let him play the cleric.... |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Jorin Embersmith
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 08:46:08
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Keep a tight rein on him, and all should be well. But make sure you pay VERY close attention to what he is doing with the warlock. With players like this, it's easy to get burned.
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 14:12:25
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Wow, a warlock....from Complete Arcane?! Talk about going from the tippy-top to the sub-levels of optimization and brokeness. I think the Warlock is a pretty good fit since the class has so many limitations that it's pretty hard to actually munchkin.
But more power to him if he can actually find a way to break a Warlock without going too far from the "norm" of customization. I've always liked warlock 3/wizard 7/eldtritch disciple 10 (not in that order of progression, but you get the idea). |
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Brynweir
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 14:19:54
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
To be honest, I don't see Drizzt behaving like a munchkin at all. Just because a character is good at what they do does NOT make them a munchkin. Honestly, neither his build in-game nor his actions in the novels are particularly "munchkin-y", IMO. I was never as attracted to his "bad-a$$-ness" as I was his PERSONALITY. In the end, THAT is what made him a stand-out character. One who is confident, understands himself and his limitations (and YES, he DOES have them!) and who is capable of going it alone but still wants to be accepted by and live among others. Truthfully, he could have stayed in Mooshie's grove if he had wanted to- he had the skills to live on his own quite well. But he CHOSE to take his chances with others, and to try to overcome the prejudice and hared of most surface-dwellers for the chance to find a place he could belong. The fact that Drizzt spawned so many "clones" is more a testament to his appeal as a "social underdog" and an outcast misfit who still manages to hold his principals in spite of everything around him- NOT because he's a butt-kicking dark elf blender set to "puree". I never read the books for his battle prowess, and I'm guessing most other fans didn't either. We read them because we RELATED to his difficulties in "fitting in"!!!
Gamers MIGHT be a different story, but I doubt it, simply because most gamer fans of Drizzt were fans of the novels FIRST. Which just means that they most likely wanted to play a character like him because of the incredible ROLE-playing opportunities first and foremost, and NOT just for his dual-wielding bad-a$$ery.
I agree. I liked Drizzt for his personality and not the dual-wielding bad-a$$ery. In fact, when I make my own characters, I build them around their personalities, even taking feats and such for story rather than power. I wonder how many others feel the same... |
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He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness. 
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 14:20:05
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And as far as Drizzt being a munchkin, I've seen his 3.0 stats and I'm sorely unimpressed. I mean, the books make him out to be a very awesome swordsman and with him being level 16, is a testament to how good he really is in a high-magic world of Faerun.
But lets face it, his stats aren't THAT good. Just on DPR alone, if that is something he's supposed to be good at, he's out-paced by most 11th to 13th level Rogues who utilize Two-Weapon Fighting or Fighters who wield two-weapons and take either the Tempest PrC or Dervish PrC. Drizzt does get the upper hand when he uses his SLAs (like darkness) on his foes and utilized his Blind-Fight feat as I don't see a lot of NPCs (or my own created PCs) taking that feat. But aside from that, I don't see any munchkin-ness oozing from that one.
I do, however, love the novels and find his character extreamly interesting. I read his novels for mostly the same reasons Alystra mentioned. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 14:30:20
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Originally posted by Wenin
Let's all first admit that our hobby was birthed from novels. =)
Anyway, the reason I'm bringing in novels is to demonstrate that novels shouldn't be brought in to begin with when talking about game rules. =)
*Blink* I did not know about any of the novels when I started to play FR. |
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Jorin Embersmith
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Posted - 23 Jan 2011 : 20:52:51
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Gamers MIGHT be a different story, but I doubt it, simply because most gamer fans of Drizzt were fans of the novels FIRST. Which just means that they most likely wanted to play a character like him because of the incredible ROLE-playing opportunities first and foremost, and NOT just for his dual-wielding bad-a$$ery.
Maybe in an alternate reality, but not the one we inhabit. Not even a little.
Interestingly enough, even my most veteran players have no wish to play anything like Drizzt, but that's only because they (and I, to be frank)have had their hearts broken by Salvatore's killing of Chewbacca by dropping a freaking moon on his head.
Bah. |
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 03:36:53
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Originally posted by Jorin Embersmith
Interestingly enough, even my most veteran players have no wish to play anything like Drizzt, but that's only because they (and I, to be frank)have had their hearts broken by Salvatore's killing of Chewbacca by dropping a freaking moon on his head.
That wasn't Salvatore's idea.
He was contractually obligated to kill Chewbacca. Someone else came up with the idea.
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
To be honest, I don't see Drizzt behaving like a munchkin at all.
If we're talking the time Icewind Dale was released, under the D&D rules at the time, then yeah, Munchkin...although Monty Hall might be the better term.
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Gamers MIGHT be a different story, but I doubt it, simply because most gamer fans of Drizzt were fans of the novels FIRST.
This doesn't follow my gaming experiences (and they are many) at all.
Like most early (late 1E to early 2E gamers) I discovered Realms fiction after discovering the Forgotten Realms after being introduced to D&D.
I've never seen stats as to how gamers discover Realms fiction, but I'm willing to be most--if not all--readers of Realms fiction found it through playing D&D and not the other way around. Course I could be wrong....Drizzt is a 20 year old character.
Anyway, I've never met one person at any gaming table I've been a regular at who found the fiction first, then discovered D&D once they learned the novels were also a game world.
And even if they did...I'm willing to bet most wanted to be just as badass as Drizzt.
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Which just means that they most likely wanted to play a character like him because of the incredible ROLE-playing opportunities first and foremost, and NOT just for his dual-wielding bad-a$$ery.
This logic doesn't follow. Gamers are...or rather, were... inspired by Drizzt because they want to have characters that are likeDrizzt: i.e., dual-wielding, non-standard race, breaking all the rules and kicking ass.
You have to remember things have changed a lot since 3E was released.
Do some players want to have deep characters that reflect the more admirable personality traits of Drizzt? No doubt they do...it's just that they're in the minority; the sort you're more likely to see here at Candlekeep then be fortunate enough to come across at a random gaming table. |
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 03:59:12
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Originally posted by Diffan
And as far as Drizzt being a munchkin, I've seen his 3.0 stats and I'm sorely unimpressed. I mean, the books make him out to be a very awesome swordsman and with him being level 16, is a testament to how good he really is in a high-magic world of Faerun.
Drizzt's stats were designed to showcase the (then) new D&D multiclassing system, where taking levels of Barbarian, Ranger, etc., was the big new thing; as well that you as a player could select classes around your character to fit his or her history over time while playing the character and not just his or her back story.
I've not seen a revised writeup for Drizzt in 3.5, but I'm sure with all the added rules that came after the FRCS was printed, you could get a very deadly NPC, but also one that reflected Drizzt properly through the rules. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 04:05:46
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| Alternate reality? Apparently there are plenty of fans who were first interested in him because of personality over his game-mechanics. As Diffan mentioned, his stats aren't even THAT great, as NPC's go. My bard could probably take him, and he's built purely for his personality and his role as a dervish over any kind of munchkin potential. And seems to me that anyone who is a fan of Drizzt sort of HAS to be a fan of the books FIRST. It would be very hard to know anything about him otherwise, as he was never actually played as a PC (according to Salvatore himself, no less). Fans who play clones just for the supposed bad-a$$ery are apt to be sorely disappointed as their PC's most often probably end up dead long before reaching Drizzt's level.... Unless they are min/maxed, in which case, they're no longer even a "clone", but just a" munchkin-Drizzt"! |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 04:30:40
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It should be noted, that the DM has about a 40 percent kill rate per game session.
I do not blame players for trying to build a character that will survive at least three sessions. |
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 04:42:04
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Alternate reality?
I apologize. After writing "alternate reality" earlier today, I came to realize that comment didn't sit well with me or fit the tone of the discussion. There's also the fact that is was snarky and unfriendly.
When I got home this evening I deleted it in favor of a more personable reply, but was too late to catch it before someone put those words in a quote.
If you read my reply, you'll see why Diffan's comparison is a bit cart-before-the-horse and actual examples of how myself and others have come to learn about Realms fiction.
Did you discover Realms fiction before you discovered D&D or the Realms? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 05:29:01
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I found the Realms thru Dragonlance, and both were thru the fiction. I knew of D&D, but I did not know that Toril and Krynn were settings for it.
I also discovered BattleTech thru the fiction -- specifically, the Daishi in the cover art of Way of the Clans.
I was also reading Shadowrun novels before I knew there was an RPG. Still never played it, though I do have a couple of the sourcebooks.
In all three cases, liking the fiction made me want to know more about the setting, which lead to me checking out the RPG.
Maybe I'm an oddball that way... Maybe that's why I've always been far more interested in lore than in rules. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 05:38:03
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I've read your revised post, MrM, and I agree to a point. Remember though, that those were not even his original stats. Drizzt was first written up in the Heroes' Lorebook, under 2nd ed rules as a pure ranger (lvl 16). The 3rd ed version in the FRCS was much closer to his actual history, though still not perfect. That said, it fits him quite well, though I would have switched one or two levels of fighter for a couple of additional ranger levels or perhaps the dervish that was mentioned earlier. All things considered, though, it's fairly accurate.
And to answer your question- yes, and no. My first experience with D&D in general came from both the old 80's cartoon and a single session I played in high-school. Around the same time, I was introduced to the Dragonlance books by a friend, but had no idea that they had any connection to the game or any other setting. It was only a year or two after I graduated that another friend of mine introduced me to the Realms books, starting with Drizzt, of course. And then several of my high-school friends got me interested in the game more deeply (ie- I was able to play more than just a single lunch-time session). So I was a fan of Drizzt FIRST before I knew anything about the Realms, or that it was a D&D setting. Of course, once I discovered THAT, my love of BOTH really took off!! I am, it seems, a fantasy game-geek girl at heart. Even got me started building my own game/story setting, which is still giving me tons of enjoyment after nearly 15 years. (Do the math, you'll see how long I've been a fan of the Realms- and how long it's been since I was in high-school. Yikes!!) |
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 24 Jan 2011 : 18:19:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Maybe I'm an oddball that way... Maybe that's why I've always been far more interested in lore than in rules.
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Alystra Illianniis
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Delanish
Acolyte
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jan 2011 : 14:48:51
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Delanish- those are non-canon stats. I was referring to the "official" ones from Heroes' Lorebook and the 3rd ed FRCS. They were Fighter 10/Barbarian 1/ Ranger 4. 16th lvl, about the same as he was originally written up in the HL as a lvl 16 Ranger. (Which was 2nd ed, before they had multi-classing ou the wazoo.)
Not to be nit-picky but there are 5 levels of Ranger, making him a CR 17 (ftr 10/bbn 1/rgr 5 + 1 for Drow = CR 17)
Anywho, I don't even consider his stats in the FRCS "official" since some of his skills are no longer appropriate, some feats have been taken out/changed, and his magical equipment is much different now. Consider the novel The Lone Drow where his mithral chainmail is just destroyed from the heavy use and wear-tear of his ordeals. He then gains a chian shirt (I think) from a drow he kills. This chain shirt is much different, giving the wearer the equivilent of damage reduction against piercing attacks.
And while I understand why he has levels in the classes he does, such as the Barbarian to express his "hunter" persona, he's actually taking XP penalties because of his extensive Multi-classing. I could actually see him having levels of rogue to show how stealthy and quick he really is, in addition to how deadly his attacks against un-prepared or flat-footed opponents can be. Rogue levels doesn't necessarily mean he's "rogue-ish" or a thief, or a cut-throat but just a simple and quick name to give someone with the style and flare Drizzt actually shows off.
Anyways, sorry for getting off topic here buddy.
About your cleric turned Warlock. Has he ever thought of multiclassing the two and becoming an Eldritch Disciple? It's a PrC from the supplement Complete Mage that stacks the bests parts of the warlock with the spellcasting abilities of a cleric. He has to serve a chaotic or evil deity though.
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Jorin Embersmith
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Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 00:31:33
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Originally posted by Diffan
About your cleric turned Warlock. Has he ever thought of multiclassing the two and becoming an Eldritch Disciple? It's a PrC from the supplement Complete Mage that stacks the bests parts of the warlock with the spellcasting abilities of a cleric. He has to serve a chaotic or evil deity though.
Oh sweet gawds in heaven. Don't say such things!
I just wish he would play a normal character with good role-playing reasons to be there.
To that end, we have convinced him to run a FR game....hopefully he will feel my pain. |
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Wenin
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Posted - 26 Jan 2011 : 16:28:37
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Originally posted by Kentinal
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Originally posted by Wenin
Let's all first admit that our hobby was birthed from novels. =)
Anyway, the reason I'm bringing in novels is to demonstrate that novels shouldn't be brought in to begin with when talking about game rules. =)
*Blink* I did not know about any of the novels when I started to play FR.
You didn't know about The Lord of the Rings before you played DnD? If not, it doesn't really matter, the creators of DnD did.
I wasn't talking about the FR novels giving birth to FR. I was saying that writers creating Fantasy based novels (where no rules govern how things play out) gave birth to the entire industry of Roleplaying games.... allowing us all to live out our own little adventures... seeking to have adventures like our various heroes from novels or movies.
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Stem the Tide Takes place in Mistledale.
Dark Curtains - Takes place in the Savage North, starting in Nesmé. I wrapped my campaign into the Hoard of the Dragon Queen, but it takes place in 1372 DR. |
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Wooly Rupert
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| I was into D&D before I read Lord of the Rings... And the first time I read it, it really didn't do anything for me. |
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A Power-Gaming Cleric...should this be allowed?
