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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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 Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 13:39:09
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I haven't really gotten into 4th edition, but I'm still interested in the world. I was wondering what happened with some of the 3rd edition stuff after the spellplague. I did buy the FR 4th edition book (was it the player's guide maybe). Anyway, there were some things in it that hinted to stuff I bet they revealed in other products, but I'm not going to spend all that cash buying stuff I won't use. So, I figured I'd just ask.
What happened with Azuth? I know he survived the destruction of dweomerheart when Mystra died. What then?
What happened with Velsharoon? I know he got in a fight with the Simbul (or at least I think that's what I read) and she destroyed him (maybe). What was the reason for the fight (other than he was bad)? What was Velsharoon's goals at the time?
What happened with the 7 sisters? Were they all killed and did they reveal how for each?
I forget, what happened with the God-Kings of Mulhorand? Did Set get lost as a deity?
Is Evermeet still around?
I know Elminster is supposed to be a madman now with no power, but I'm betting he's supposedly faking the madman part??? Have they revealed him to be truly powerless?
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 13:55:14
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| Oh, and is Maztica gone? It got displaced did it not by New Abeir? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 14:37:48
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Maztica was replaced.
Some of the Seven just kinda disappeared, without any real word on what happened. IIRC, Alustriel died.
Azuth got blasted into one of the Lower Planes, where Asmodeus killed him.
Mulhorand is gone, too. It's also been replaced.
Evermeet got knocked sideways into the Feywild, which is 4E's version of Faerie.
That's all from memory. I've not cracked open the 4E FRCS since I got done reading it, a couple years ago. And that's quite deliberate. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 14:42:41
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 14:48:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Evermeet got knocked sideways into the Feywild, which is 4E's version of Faerie.
I'll note, however, that while Evermeet now resides in the Feywild... there also exists a slight temporal echo of the Green Isle, sitting where Evermeet used to be. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 15:43:19
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 15:46:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Mulhorand is gone, too. It's also been replaced.
That's all from memory. I've not cracked open the 4E FRCS since I got done reading it, a couple years ago. And that's quite deliberate.
Oh really? I thought it was just Unther. Guess I should crack open the book again just to see what happened. Can't believe its already been a few years since 4E came out. Guess time really does fly when you get older. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 15:58:53
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As for Elminster, I still think he's pretty damn powerful. There was an article on him and it listed him as a level 19 Solo (which is pretty high) though he's still diminished from his formal self. If he's still around if/when Mystra comes back, easily scale him up to level 27+
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 16:11:45
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Mulhorand is gone, too. It's also been replaced.
That's all from memory. I've not cracked open the 4E FRCS since I got done reading it, a couple years ago. And that's quite deliberate.
Oh really? I thought it was just Unther. Guess I should crack open the book again just to see what happened. Can't believe its already been a few years since 4E came out. Guess time really does fly when you get older.
Pretty sure it got the axe, as well, but it's been a while since I cracked that book... It wasn't an area I was overly interested in, so I don't recall exactly what happened to it. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 16:40:15
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I'll note, however, that while Evermeet now resides in the Feywild... there also exists a slight temporal echo of the Green Isle, sitting where Evermeet used to be.
That sounds interesting... is it an actual island or a sort of ghostly island that fades back and forth between the Feywild, connecting with some place on Evermeet?
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Diffan
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 18:06:19
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Originally posted by sleyvas
What happened with the 7 sisters? Were they all killed and did they reveal how for each?
- Alustriel (spelling?) grew old and passed away, leaving her kingdom of Lurar and the city of Silverymoon to her half-elven son (who' now growing old too).
- Dove's where-abouts are unknown, her future is unknown.
- Simbul's fate is mentioned in the Elminster Must Die novel
- Lariel's fate is unknown to me, though I think it's stated in the Blackstaff novel
- Alvaerele Tasundrym's fate is unknown, though she appears in Blackstaff
- Qilue is deceased
- Sylune is deceased
- Storm Silverhand's fate is unknown
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Originally posted by sleyvas
I forget, what happened with the God-Kings of Mulhorand? Did Set get lost as a deity?
No one really knows since Mulhorand is now on the plane of Abier, though one would suggest the Gods followed their patrons to that new and exciting world.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Is Evermeet still around?
Yep, exists on the Feywild plane also known as Faerie. Still, I have portals that exists from the island that is where Evermeet was that go between the worlds.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
I know Elminster is supposed to be a madman now with no power, but I'm betting he's supposedly faking the madman part??? Have they revealed him to be truly powerless?
I noted in the post above that he's still a powerful mage, yet his Chosen powers are revoked, and thus much of his strength is diminished. Still, he keeps his sanity in check at times. More can be looked at in the Elminster Must Die novel.
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Oh, and is Maztica gone? It got displaced did it not by New Abeir?
Yep, along with Unther and Mulhorandi. All of them are now on Abier and parts of Abier are now where they reside.
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 18:26:48
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| I have some sweet personal plots that I have developed for my own devices in regareds to Mulhorand and Unther. Abeir is a deadly and unforgiving place to say the least! |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 18:42:48
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# Alustriel (spelling?) grew old and passed away, leaving her kingdom of Lurar and the city of Silverymoon to her half-elven son (who' now growing old too).
Which son? She had a lot of them... |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 19:35:51
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Which son? She had a lot of them...
Hmm, good question...though I dont honesty recall. It starts w/ an "M" and is pretty long. Looks elven. Sorry I cant be of more help, im AFB right now. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 20:35:55
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Erdrick Stormedge
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 20:40:17
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 20:47:42
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Cracking open my copy of the FRCG quite deliberately...
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Originally posted by Therise
That sounds interesting... is it an actual island or a sort of ghostly island that fades back and forth between the Feywild, connecting with some place on Evermeet?
The echo of Evermeet is an actual island, "with the same shape and diameter" that sits close to the lands of Returned Abeir (FRCG p.132). There are no buildings or other structures on the Faerun side and few elves reside there (a good many of the elves stayed after the Spellplague, some returning to the main Faerunian continent and some choosing to travel to Returned Abeir).
As for Evermeet itself, it exists in the Feywild quite unchanged. The seasons still pass smoothly and the place is ever the refuge for elves (and Eladrin) it was meant to be. No Moonflower rules (the FRCG states in a rather unsatisfying manner that "Queen Amlaruil is gone"). Only the island fortress of Sumbrar was ravaged in the transition; it's now a plageuland i.e., adventure location.
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 21:17:33
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
Cracking open my copy of the FRCG quite deliberately...
quote:
Originally posted by Therise
That sounds interesting... is it an actual island or a sort of ghostly island that fades back and forth between the Feywild, connecting with some place on Evermeet?
The echo of Evermeet is an actual island, "with the same shape and diameter" that sits close to the lands of Returned Abeir (FRCG p.132). There are no buildings or other structures on the Faerun side and few elves reside there (a good many of the elves stayed after the Spellplague, some returning to the main Faerunian continent and some choosing to travel to Returned Abeir).
As for Evermeet itself, it exists in the Feywild quite unchanged. The seasons still pass smoothly and the place is ever the refuge for elves (and Eladrin) it was meant to be. No Moonflower rules (the FRCG states in a rather unsatisfying manner that "Queen Amlaruil is gone"). Only the island fortress of Sumbrar was ravaged in the transition; it's now a plageuland i.e., adventure location.
Note the Feywild is Faerie, not just a new-ish version of it (FRCG p.50).
How disappointingly boring.
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Dec 2010 : 22:09:34
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 01:14:08
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Originally posted by Therise
How disappointingly boring.
That's too bad (and rather vague). I always found Evermeet to be quite fascinating.
I like that Evermeet is located in the Feywild. It adds more mystery and luster to the place IMO. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 01:16:31
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Easier to list what hasn't changed: Cormyr
Despite all 4e lore to the contrary, even the coastlines appear to be precisely the same as they always were.
Which allows me to relate yet-another gem of 4e lore - the coasts have all receded about 50 miles or so. Strangely, ALL coastal cities still remain on the coasts! (Ao obviously teleported them all, just before killing himself...)
Candlekeep is on an island... which means the water-level should have risen, NOT lowered, but its a crazy, mixed-up time and even 'up' and 'down' don't apply anymore (see earthmotes as an example of how 'chaotic' the 4e Realms have become, physics-wise).
I figured I'd just chime-in with the geographic aspects, since its my area of interest. I'll leave the rest of the wonderful 4e changes for the other scribes to 'explore'. 
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
Note the Feywild is Faerie, not just a new-ish version of it (FRCG p.50).
I consider Faerie to be a part of the Feywild, regardless of canon lore to the contrary (better to leave things 'open' - lore should NEVER be so explicitly defined). 'Faerie' is just the region wherein the La'Shay (ugh - HATE that name*) hold sway, and since most mortal's dealings with the Feywild involved the Fey, the Fey themselves never bother to correct this piece of misinformation. There are vast regions outside of Faerie-proper where other beings hold power (like the Fomorians).
Telling folks "what is" (there) is CONSTRUCTIVE, telling folks "what isn't" is DECONSTRUCTIVE. A setting should NEVER be built upon that premise (and there was a really good article by someone in the industry recently that covered this, but I stupidly forgot to save the link... anyone?)
Not a knock or anything - I'm just disagreeing with one of 4e's assessments in regards to the terminology (not the lore itself).
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Originally posted by Matt James
I have some sweet personal plots that I have developed for my own devices in regareds to Mulhorand and Unther. Abeir is a deadly and unforgiving place to say the least!
Just curious - was it 'a world without gods', a'la Athas?
I'm only asking because I am starting to piece-together my own version of Abeir (using bits of 'stray' canon lore wherever I can).
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
I like that Evermeet is located in the Feywild. It adds more mystery and luster to the place IMO.
Agreed
IIRC, Ed had never meant for it to be 'statted out' the way it was in the Evermeet supplement - it was supposed to remain 'an Elven Mystery'. By producing a sourcebook, they deflated its mystical nature.
*I use "Shee" for the name the Fey Creator call themselves, and it is spelled 'Sidhe' or 'Sith', depending upon which court they reside in. I consider 'la'Shay' some name coined for them on the core world (since 'Shay' sounds like 'Shee' and 'Fey' put together). |
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 01:38:12
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Originally posted by Markustay
'Faerie' is just the region wherein the La'Shay (ugh - HATE that name*) hold sway, and since most mortal's dealings with the Feywild involved the Fey, the Fey themselves never bother to correct this piece of misinformation. There are vast regions outside of Faerie-proper where other beings hold power (like the Fomorians).
Curious: what is it about the way things are now that makes this not true (or possible)? |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 03:27:56
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
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Originally posted by Therise
How disappointingly boring.
That's too bad (and rather vague). I always found Evermeet to be quite fascinating.
I like that Evermeet is located in the Feywild. It adds more mystery and luster to the place IMO.
I guess it's fine if they wanted to put Evermeet in the Feywild. But to have essentially a blank, boring island in its place, what's the point?
Doesn't seem very creative.
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 03:50:25
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Matt James
I have some sweet personal plots that I have developed for my own devices in regareds to Mulhorand and Unther. Abeir is a deadly and unforgiving place to say the least!
Just curious - was it 'a world without gods', a'la Athas?
I'm only asking because I am starting to piece-together my own version of Abeir (using bits of 'stray' canon lore wherever I can).
Wow, you just sparked my creativity in a new way. Too bad I am swamped with other projects right now 
As for my Abeir, it is a world ruled by nasty Dragonlords and other beings of malicious intent. Athas could very well fit nicely but I had not ended up at that conclusion. |
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 05:43:36
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Originally posted by Therise
Doesn't seem very creative.
Ah, good point. There's nothing in the scant information we have from the FRCG that says why the elves dispersed, nor are we told why the elves who stayed chose to retreat to the forests on the Faerun-side.
The whole elf-eladrin division seems so stark to me that it doesn't make sense IMO that the elves would sit back and let things be as they are. Why depart when the Elven Court has gifted them with an entire island, virtually untouched, to start anew in?
Going forward, I'd expect the elves who remained to build the Faerun-side (we really need a word for that) of Evermeet into a bastion representative of them and not the eladrin.
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 06:17:16
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| Personally, I detest the entire division concept. It makes no sense from a lore standpoint, and even less from a game-mechanic one. Especially when one considers that the eladrin USED to be an upper-planar race, rather than simply a separate class of elves. They basically ret-conned the Planescape lore right out of existence, and then tried to back-pedal by saying that the elves were eladrin all along. Even though the two in 4th ed really ARE completely separate races, and it does not take into account all of the inter-breeding that has gone on between Moon, Gold, and Wood elves over the millennia. One look at the important members of any given House in the Cormanthor or Fall of Myth Drannor nooks will tell you that they've been marrying each other and having mixed kids for generations. Most of the three races are so inter inter-mixed that there CANNOT be a distinction made anymore! |
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Therise
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 07:16:27
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Personally, I detest the entire division concept. It makes no sense from a lore standpoint, and even less from a game-mechanic one. Especially when one considers that the eladrin USED to be an upper-planar race, rather than simply a separate class of elves. They basically ret-conned the Planescape lore right out of existence, and then tried to back-pedal by saying that the elves were eladrin all along. Even though the two in 4th ed really ARE completely separate races, and it does not take into account all of the inter-breeding that has gone on between Moon, Gold, and Wood elves over the millennia. One look at the important members of any given House in the Cormanthor or Fall of Myth Drannor nooks will tell you that they've been marrying each other and having mixed kids for generations. Most of the three races are so inter inter-mixed that there CANNOT be a distinction made anymore!
I thought that, even with interbreeding, elvish genetics didn't work quite the same as human genetics. That elves "bred true" or some such, meaning that even if your parents were a moon elf and a gold elf, the children would be one or the other and not a blend.
And generally, I thought the various races tended not to intermix (at least sexually).
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Ayrik
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 07:22:34
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CG eladrin used to be described as counterparts to LG archons and NG guardinals, although they were demoted (without any in-universe explanation) when lore about the planes (and celestials) were reorganized.
Like you, Alystra, I never really approved of this move. Using eladrin as "elven angels" works for me, and besides, there's already enough subraces of elves. I'd never even considered the interesting question of elf-eladrin and half-eladrin crossbreeding, hmmm.
Maybe the emphasis was on all the "subraces" of elves in fact belonging to a single race, cosmetically and culturally different yet essentially identical as a species (insofar as game stats and capabilities go) - unifying the elven race takes another step away from breaking humans into "subraces" which each have unique game modifiers and class options. From a lore standpoint, introducing the non-celestial eladrin race was just handwaved off. From a game-mechanical standpoint, the eladrin seem to occupty the old role of "purest, highest, most elven" elves (once occupied by the arrogant Grey/Valley/Silvanesti/Star/Sun/Gold elf subraces) ... only the terminology has changed, what we once called "elven" is now called "fey" (and has changed in meaning somewhat) and thus eladrin superiority is "feylike" instead of "elvenlike".
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 07:57:41
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I can understand the desire to take all the different sub-races of elves back to a single game-statistic mechanic, but to arbitrarily divide them up like that is simply ridiculous. IMO. Why should the Sun/Moon elves be more "elven"(fey) then the Wood or "dark" elves? It would have been easier (and made more sense) to simply make all the elven races use the same stats, and make the differences purely cosmetic and cultural, rather than split the elven races into two distinct species. (That can apparently inter-breed at will, look almost EXACTLY the same, and with either side able to dominate, and I'm not even going into how silly THAT notion is!) It just seems like an arbitrary, and utterly pointless distinction between sub-races just for simplicity, rather than using existing lore with the new mechanics. Seriously, they could have just used the old 2nd ed method of a standard elven stat-mod with a brief description of each sub-race, and let players decide for themselves which race their PC's are, based on how they want to play them. (Read the 2nd ed MM entry for elves- it does exactly that!) It would have saved them a lot of annoyed fans of the elves!
Therise- Although they are described as being either one or the other of the parents' sub-races, the fact remains that they are still technically both. The outward traits of the genetics don't really matter- the fact is that a Moon elf born to a Gold and Moon elf parents could still (theoretically) give birth to a Gold elf- because she would still carry those genes, just like a Siamese cat may still give birth to solid-color kittens if one of the cat's parents was of a different color than Siamese. One might be dominant over the other, but that does not mean the other is not still there! |
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Markustay
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Posted - 25 Dec 2010 : 09:25:55
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
There's nothing in the scant information we have from the FRCG that says why the elves dispersed, nor are we told why the elves who stayed chose to retreat to the forests on the Faerun-side.
The whole elf-eladrin division seems so stark to me that it doesn't make sense IMO that the elves would sit back and let things be as they are. Why depart when the Elven Court has gifted them with an entire island, virtually untouched, to start anew in?
Going forward, I'd expect the elves who remained to build the Faerun-side (we really need a word for that) of Evermeet into a bastion representative of them and not the eladrin.
I think that part of the 4e design-process was to scale-down the environment, so that everything was 'within easy reach'. So part of that was reducing 'unnecessary redundancy' (you know... like giving FR two more 'serpent' gods - sorry, couldn't resist), and also eliminating lands that were so far removed from 'Faerûn proper' that no-one ever used them (note that Lantan is now gone... maybe Nimbral too... I forget). The Halruaans are now a 'mobile' force instead of a nation, giving PCs a greater chance of actually meeting one, etc, etc...
How many folks actually used Evermeet? It was cool, but practically useless. It serves a better purpose now, because folks can use a 'Fey Gate' to travel there, making it within arms-reach of any place in the Heartlands. Not that that wasn't possible before, but now it seems more appropriate to travel to 'mystical Evermeet' by going to faerie, instead of sailing across a mundane sea. Its also more in-line with how Ed envisioned the place, I imagine (I don't think it was ever supposed to be 'wholly on the material plane', but that's just IMHO).
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'Faerie' is just the region wherein the La'Shay (ugh - HATE that name*) hold sway, and since most mortal's dealings with the Feywild involved the Fey, the Fey themselves never bother to correct this piece of misinformation. There are vast regions outside of Faerie-proper where other beings hold power (like the Fomorians).
Curious: what is it about the way things are now that makes this not true (or possible)?
Welllllll... I think that you could say that Faerie is the feywild, but I don't think you could say that the feywild is Faerie (in much the same way that I can say New York is the United States, but not that the United States is New York.. despite belief to the contrary).
In other words, someone might get the idea from the way that is put that the entirety of the Feywild is Faerie, which is (according to popular belief, not D&D) ruled by Faeries (fey). I think that that is just the region that the Fey lay claim to, and that the Feywild (wouldn't Fæwyld look more fantasyish?) itself is so much more.
I picture all sorts of uber-cool things there, and the entire plane is enclosed by an 'impassable' ring of mountains, so high that the peaks lie outside of the atmosphere! Within those mountains are towering pines like nothing seen on the material plane, and waterfalls over a mile high. The giant lords keep court there, and they know of secret ways through to the other side, where lie the Quasi-elemental planes.
Throughout the Feywild, their are numerous races that call that realm home that have little or no affiliation with the fey. I think saying that "the feywild is Faerie" is a bit of an understatement, and perhaps deceptive (not purposefully). I want people to understand there are endless possibilities to be had here, and that the 'cutesy' fairies' we have come to know from Disney and other sources are actually in the minority in most of that plane.
When the cyclopi are roasting your friends alive (and you are next) for the Fomorian king's feast, I liked to see how 'cutesy' people think the feywild is then. 
Or maybe when the Huntsman's pack have you cornered, and there's no way out, until the Maenads (on holiday from Olympus) show-up and tear the hounds apart. You think you are safe, but then you realize you are in far worse trouble when they turn to you.
Thats the kind of feywild I'm talking about - leave Titania and her 'gossamer wings' back in Faerie. The Feywild is precisely that - WILD.
(oh, and its not all bad... if I ever get to the map I have been mentally building, there will be smurfs)  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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