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The Sage
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 Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 02:18:25
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Y'know, Sage, I hear so much from DC fans about that one issue, and I'll be the first to admit that it was Joker at his most evil. But then there are so many other Joker tales where he is not only evil/psycho, but insanely funny and ironic. But that's what sets him apart to me.
Oh, I definitely agree with that. For example, Oberon "the Joker" Sexton, from Grant Morrison's recent and final arc in Batman and Robin. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 03:14:08
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| Umm, not familiar with it. I don't NORMALLY read DC, you see. Just pick one up once in a while if it seems interesting. "Whatever Happened to the Dark Knight" and "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" are the two I've read most recently. I generally prefer Marvel titles. I loved the story in "Whatever...Dark Knight" that Alfred told. Sad, and strangely believable, yet truly scary at the same time. (spoiler) Alfred IS Joker??!! THAT would just be the ultimate "joke" on Bats!! |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 03:48:49
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Originally posted by Arik
Actually I rather liked the Tin Man version of Alice in Wonderland. Largely, perhaps, due to Zooey Deschanel being just so darned cute*. Of course Kathleen Robertson (wearing her tight metal corsets) has a certain charming appeal as well. But eye-candy and mediocre budget aside, I found it was a fairly original and engaging (if patently predictable) story.
* She has the ideal 1:1 Face to Bang ratio, and I'll ask my fellow scribes to kindly keep their impure thoughts to themselves.
*cough*Tin Man is an adaptation of Wizard of Oz*cough* |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 04:05:41
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| You have to remember, the Joker became the "Clown Prince of Crime" during DC's Silver Age because of the censorship from the Comics Code Authority of the 50's and 60's. Originally, he was always a homicidal maniac. The only thing about the Joker that you can truly say is that he follows a drummer that only he can hear. He is the chaos to Batman's order, the humor to the Dark Knight's seriousness. |
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 04:21:29
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It's more steampunky than magicky, though, Sage.
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned any Willy Wonka yet (outside of sig quotes). Definitely magical (in both versions), though of course not at all concerned with "how the magic works or is explained".
There's no earthly way of knowing....
Which direction this scroll is Going .
Gene Wilder is a better Wonka than Depp.
And since Alice in Wonderland has been brought up, I thoroughly enjoyed the ScyFy networks "Alice ". |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Ayrik
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 04:54:30
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| *cough* yes it is *cough* also a strange Wonderland hybrid of sorts. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 05:37:20
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Just thought of some more good movies/TV for magic use- The Craft, which had an actual Wiccan helping with the script, also Hocus Pocus was a fun dive into magic, Witches of Eastwick, and Practical Magic. (Hmmm, I'm noticing a trend here....) Dragonheart was good (was that mentioned earlier?) Although the second one had more "magic" to it. And the funniest scene involving a dragon EVER!!! (And reminds me of a fellow gamer's wizard' drunkenly delving into spellcrafting with a little dweomer called "Fire Fart". 'Nuff said.)
The Secret of NIHM is fun for some gaming ideas, too, No real mention of how the few magical elements work (the Stone, Nicodemus's viewing window thingie) but so very pretty. And of course, either of the two D&D movies- and the cartoon!! Can't forget Presto's hat!! Which brings me to another connection to Sorcerer's Apprentice- the original Fantasia telling was of course, centered on a hat. I've speculated that it was the same one, just with a color cantrip placed on it to change appearance. And that scene in the SA movie with the mops was friggin LOL funny. But of course, it WAS Disney, so you know they had to do it. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 06:14:40
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Originally posted by Arik
*cough* yes it is *cough* also a strange Wonderland hybrid of sorts.
I only brought it up because SyFy also made a similar "modernization" of Alice in Wonderland, called simply Alice. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 06:16:09
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Originally posted by Markustay
Off-Topic: Comics
I didn't 'hate' Ghostrider - I hated a middle-aged Nicholas Cage playing the part, because his ego was too large for him to realize he was ALL WRONG for it. Even in his youth, he had the wrong look. Loved Sam Elliot as the original GR - that dude is awesome.
Ghost Rider had a lot of problems. The easiest to pinpoint was the fact that the writers attempted to ineffectually blend the mythos of both GRI and GRII, along with some of the past material supporting the Ghost Riders of legend.
And I'm still disappointed with the fact that the Johnny Blaze/Ghost Rider concept used in the film, was actually more Dan Ketch/Ghost Rider II. And a little sprinkling of lore about Zarathos and such would've been nice as well.
Ditto that. Dan Ketch is the only Rider I read about, and I loved just about everything about that particular Rider.
Except when they redid his look. It was the original look that first got my attention -- scary biker build, kinda futuristic-looking bike with the stylized skull fairing on the front and the tires made of flame. Then some new artist (far into the series) put him in a red and yellow jumpsuit, gave him a normal-looking motorcycle that was entirely on fire, and somehow managed to make Ghost's jawbone look like he needed to shave!  |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 06:20:12
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| Heh. I used to have one of those little Mickey sorcerer antenna ball things (as shown here) on my car ... until some low-level rogue robbed me. Haven't seen any D&D movies - they are quite loathed and reviled by my players, so I've thus far made the choice to avoid them. Are they really that bad? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 06:46:01
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Except when they redid his look. It was the original look that first got my attention -- scary biker build, kinda futuristic-looking bike with the stylized skull fairing on the front and the tires made of flame. Then some new artist (far into the series) put him in a red and yellow jumpsuit, gave him a normal-looking motorcycle that was entirely on fire, and somehow managed to make Ghost's jawbone look like he needed to shave!
That was largely due to the revelation of Ketch being the host for the spirit of Noble Kale... the Ghost Rider of the 90's. The knowledge literally transformed the Spirit of Vengeance for a time. That look only lasted a few issues though, after a brief encounter with Doctor Strange, Howard the Duck, and a few others, GR became embroiled in Blackheart's bid for ultimate power in Hell, and ultimately returned to the "blue and black" leather, just before the end of his series. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 06:50:28
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He also has done a comic of his own co-written with his son, called "Voodoo Child". AAAAND the "Cage" in his name is a direct homage to another of his fave comic heroes- Luke Cage.
The first one wasn't bad, exactly, just slightly campy in places. But the effects of the dragons and especially the beholder were awesome. The second D&D flick, was, in fact, a Sy-Fy movie, and had little to do with the first one beyond the world setting. Better over-all story, and more "gamer" feel, but less magic in it. Lots of puzzles and dungeon crawling, though! I personally loved the first one, though. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 12:09:37
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| Regarding Ghost Rider, I enjoyed the film and had no problem with Cage in the role. If I did, I'd still prefer a Ghost Rider movie with an actor not to my liking than not having a Ghost Rider movie at all. A unique type of hero in the comic world. |
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Lady Fellshot
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 15:26:01
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I really enjoyed Tin Man being a huge fan of most things that are Ozian. Just don't mention Gregory Maguire to me. I have utterly no respect for anyone writing a derivative work who can't even be bothered to get the map right.
Syfy also had retell of Alice in Wonderland which was not as bad as most of their usual Z-grade movies.
As for the Sorcerer's Apprentice... Considering most of it seemed borrowed from other places, it wasn't awful but it could have been better. I ranted about it here.
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Markustay
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 21:16:52
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Batman beyond was good - I just hope they don't try to bring him into the 'now' period - I liked the old Batamn/Bruce, that aspect is very cool.
Anyone know how that fits with the Darknight? (which also takes place in 'the future'). I liked the Jubilee-version of Robin from there (and I also found it pretty funny when Robin and Jubille fell in love in the cross-over; a mutual bad-taste in attire?) 
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Originally posted by Arik
Actually I rather liked the Tin Man version of Alice in Wonderland. Largely, perhaps, due to Zooey Deschanel being just so darned cute*.
And it's for this reason that I'll now be heading off to the local DVD store to find the aforementioned series. 
SERIOUSLY?
Just shows how different people's tastes are - I found that an unwatchable mess because of her. Her acting 'talent' is in the Keanu-Reaves zone, and both of them make William Shatner (as Kirk) look like a Thespian of Epic proportions. Honestly, I think if that girl worked her entire life studying acting, she could aspire to having 'zero talent' - as of right now she is so deep in 'the negatives' she'd need a light-year length rope to climb back out.
Its funny - you guys call her 'cute', and I had similar thoughts, except mine were MUCH more evil (in how she actually manages to get acting parts).
Watch how she reacts to everything, including things that SHOULD freak most normal people out - I've seen more personality on a corpse.
And on a more positive note...
I am a HUGE fan of the Steampunk-genre, moreso in movies then gaming, but I dig-it wherever I can get it (including comics). Aside for the awesome League of Extraordinary Gentleman (the scene when they find-out Mina Harker is a vampire is classic!) Also loved Van Helsing (I believe another version of Mr.Hyde was in that as well) and Wild, Wild West (original TV series and Will Smith's version). The Brothers Grimm deserves a mention as well, even though not Steampunk, it was another great alternate-history movie. The Prestige (how can anything with Michael Caine be bad?) also fits into this category (and another movie that features Tesla in the background as a psuedo-Mage). I suppose the Sherlock Holmes movie fits as well, but I only caught the last 1/2 hour of it. I remember another, similar movie with Johnny Depp (and he has done a few neo-Steampunk movies, including Sleepy Hollow. There was also several versions of the Time Machine that fall into this category.
I just so love that period (Victorian Era) for super-heroics and psuedo-science - it has so much flavor and potential, and one could easily steal from both Scify and fantasy/Folklore for it. I just wish it was more 'mainstream' for gaming (my one attempt failed miserably). |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 21:30:55
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The rumor mill is that the next Batman movie will be based off the Legends of the Dark Knight story "Prey"; which features Dr. Hugo Strange and Catwoman. The basic premise is that Strange starts a smear campaign against Batman while trying to figure out who he is (and he does). The good doctor's campaign and public talks actually has Bruce Wayne take a hard look as to whether or not what he's chosen to do is truly insane. Sounds right up Christopher Nolan's alley.
Oh, and the Johnny Depp movie could be either From Hell or Sweeney Todd. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 21:35:58
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Well, I never said anything about Zooey making the series enjoyable because of her acting "talent". Cute was about the only adjective I could think of that didn't violate CK CoC. And definitely more *cough* Wizard of Oz than Alice in Wonderland, sorry Ashe. 
Incidentally, has anyone seen ye olde (not at all magic-related) Sean Connery b-movie Zardoz?
Shatner (as Kirk) is most assuredly a Thespian of Epic Proportions ... the problem is that Epic Proportions are not called for about 98% of the time. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 08 Dec 2010 : 23:42:55
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Originally posted by Markustay
Batman beyond was good - I just hope they don't try to bring him into the 'now' period - I liked the old Batamn/Bruce, that aspect is very cool.
Both the mini-series and the ongoing series will remain in the future timeline of the television series.
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Anyone know how that fits with the Darknight? (which also takes place in 'the future'). I liked the Jubilee-version of Robin from there (and I also found it pretty funny when Robin and Jubille fell in love in the cross-over; a mutual bad-taste in attire?)
Actually, Batman #700 shows them to be completely different timelines. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 09 Dec 2010 : 23:49:48
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About the Original post- I really liked the movie and I can't say I'm a big fan of Nicholas Cage. The special effects are really amazing and the magic is done really well.
About Batman....while I'm not a big fan of the comics, having never really been a big comic book guy, I think the first two movies (the ones done by Tim Burton) are still my favorites with the last two (Batman Begins then The Dark Night) being second. The first two were just very very dark, gritty, yet had Comic Book elements that just made the movies great. I can't say I agree with adding two villains together (which I feel set the stage for that being the norm.) but the Penguin was spot-on as was Cat Woman.
As for the new Batmans with Christian Bale, I'm impressed and think they're very well done, though the Dark Night really needed Gotham to be.....Gotham (not Chicago). Hopefully the next movie will keep the good stuff coming and not a flop.
BTW, any idea who the villain is going to be in the next Batman? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Dec 2010 : 01:05:51
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BTW, any idea who the villain is going to be in the next Batman?
Joel Schumacher. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Dec 2010 : 02:37:36
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Originally posted by Diffan
BTW, any idea who the villain is going to be in the next Batman?
Joel Schumacher.
Heh. No, he was the villain in the last two films of the 90's Batman.
As for villains in The Dark Knight Rises... it still hasn't been revealed. Nolan has said two female leads will appear, though whether they're villains remains to be seen. My speculation suggests either Talia al Ghul [which would tie nicely with Batman Begins] or Poison Ivy. What male villains will be appearing -- if any -- [and I seem to recall Nolan saying that the Riddler would not be featured in the third film], we know next to nothing.
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Alystra Illianniis
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Dec 2010 : 03:33:22
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I'm intrigued by what Nolan said earlier in the year... about liking what had been done with both Hush and Doctor Hurt in the last few years worth of Batman stories. Whether that actually translates into film appearances, is another matter entirely.
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Posted - 10 Dec 2010 : 03:35:12
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| I would really like to see Talia. She ties back to the first movie and in a twisted way show that batman's actions have consequences. I think she would work best in a role similar to Catwoman in Batman Returns. She, via her agents (which I suppose could include someone like Bane), fights Batman and attempts to figure out who he is (assume Ra's never told her). On the civilian side, Talia (who will not use her real last name) will fall for Bruce and vice versa. They have quite a bit in common. They both lost their parents to violence (though Ra's was kind of asking for it), they are both rich, they both have alter egos, and they have both dedicated their lives to something greater than themselves. That doesn't mean they would be a great match, but they would "get" each other. Obviously that is all to set up the only conclusion possible where they fight it out and Batman is put into a situation where he has to ask himself if the fight is worth the price (again). As much as I like Catwoman for a situation like that, she just doesn't pose the same level of threat as Talia which means Batman can somewhat ignore her criminal activites. Talia is as much of a threat as Ra's. That and I liked the fact Bruce and Talia had a son in the Kingdom Come timeline. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 10 Dec 2010 : 05:04:14
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| Not as familiar with Talia, so I don't know how well that would go over with most movie-goers. It's sort of a given that to really do well, a movie needs to draw in the kind of casual fans who might not know some of the more obscure villains. That might be one mark against her, and in Catwoman's favor. Harley could tie in with the last movie, so that's another possibility. And part of the sets are supposedly being done in New Orleans, which might be a hint that Croc is in it. Or not. There seems to be some disesntion on that. Likewise, if Two-Face comes back, there's another tie to the previous movies. Rumors say two female leads, so maybe both Talia AND Catwoman or Quinn? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Posted - 10 Dec 2010 : 05:32:47
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If, as the rumors are persisting, they are going to base it off the "Prey" storyline, the characters would be:
Dr. Hugo Strange
Sergeant Max Cort, an officer that hates Batman and winds up being twisted by Strange into becoming a deadly-force vigilante
Catwoman
Catherine Kauss, daughter of Mayor Kauss who's vocal in her support of Batman and who Strange develops an obsession on |
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