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Ayrik
Great Reader
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 Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 01:22:29
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Ask your DM, Gavin.
Don't be surprised if he only answers with a smiling suggestion that you find out by trying it.
In my game this isn't much of an issue simply because I use older (2E-ish) rules for crafting of magical items. Under this system each additional enchantment adds complexity and increases the overall chance for failure; an item like "buffy" or a Staff of the Magi would not be impossible to create; but the chances of success would be dismally low, especially without achieving immensely high experience levels and a lot of involved preparations by the artificer. An inoperable, flawed, or cursed item (or risking other dangerous magical consequences) would prevent most wizards from even daring to attempt craft of such powerful things. |
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Gavinfoxx
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 01:40:06
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| Arik: So *would* you let an Artificer (per EbCS) exist at all under your crafting system? IE, someone who tries to overcome the difficulties, and does better than anyone else because they focus exclusively on it? And whose abilities focus on 'getting the most' out of items? |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 02:15:25
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Short answer - no.
Simply because I don't play the D&D editions which publish those systems. Therefore I don't attempt to seek out sploits or patches which address problems specific to those game mechanics. Without wanting to start (another) argumentive D&D rules throwdown, I think it's reasonably fair to say each generation of D&D is essentialy an entirely different game which share a setting and thematic elements. You and I play what amounts to being different games - and neither is better. You'll notice my comments about "buffy" focus on play mechanics, not rule mechanics. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11827 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 16:36:49
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Originally posted by Dracons
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Could be wrong, since I haven't been looking at the rules for like the last 2 years, but isn't the minimum caster level supposed to be the minimum level that someone could cast said spell (i.e. a 4th lvl wizard spell would have to be minimum 7th lvl caster level, etc...).
It is true. But Gavinfoxx team uses several of those spells from other classes where the minimal level is what they state (Such as Runescar Barbarian, which is something he's made mention plenty of times).
But those aren't classes. Those are prestige classes for which he's not going to meet the prerequisites, therefore he should not be able to use the abilities of the class. |
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Gavinfoxx
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 16:45:08
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Originally posted by sleyvas
But those aren't classes. Those are prestige classes for which he's not going to meet the prerequisites, therefore he should not be able to use the abilities of the class.
It's an artificer class feature of UMD, emulating that sort of thing. Hold on, lemme cite the page for you. Also, even without prestige classes (just using things like Cleric domains, Mystic Ranger, Paladin, Divine Bard, etc. etc.) you would still get lots of them. Anyway, it's... EbCS, pg 32, under the heading Item Creation, in the Artificer class description. |
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Acolyte Thirteen
Seeker
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 18:39:12
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I would prefer if the (poor) Moderators on this site would enforce this perspective.
Since they don't, I'll call a spade when I see it!
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Acolyte Thirteen
Miscellany, how do the comments above contribute to the thread? The OP had apparently enjoyed the tete a tete with Dracons; even going so far as to list the magic items his group has developed, their costs, etc. I cannot know for certain why the OP has continued to try and validate his groups blatant cheating, but he has, and seems to enjoy it.
Calling out Dracons in this manner is Trolling. Please do not Troll threads, Miscell.
I don't see it as trolling, Acolyte.
And, in future, I'd prefer if you leave such declarations to the actual Moderators.
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A Publishing Lackey
Seeker
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 19:48:50
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 21:42:19
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Mod enforcement? That means padlocking scrolls and banning scribes. Think about it.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 23:19:15
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Originally posted by Acolyte Thirteen
I would prefer if the (poor) Moderators on this site would enforce this perspective.
Since they don't, I'll call a spade when I see it!
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Acolyte Thirteen
Miscellany, how do the comments above contribute to the thread? The OP had apparently enjoyed the tete a tete with Dracons; even going so far as to list the magic items his group has developed, their costs, etc. I cannot know for certain why the OP has continued to try and validate his groups blatant cheating, but he has, and seems to enjoy it.
Calling out Dracons in this manner is Trolling. Please do not Troll threads, Miscell.
I don't see it as trolling, Acolyte.
And, in future, I'd prefer if you leave such declarations to the actual Moderators.
And we're done.
Acolyte, I don't take kindly to having my performance as a Moderator questioned without good reason. Consider further action to be taken against your account shortly.
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Overdoing long-lasting buff spells-hurt the Weave?
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