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Dennis
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 Posted - 24 Apr 2011 : 04:16:04
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Which is just right. I don't see her as a "good" leader. And she herself said that.
-Quenthel, she never struck me as a particularly good leader, either, though. I always got the impression that she was kind of dumb, actually. Personally, I would have preferred that Triel stay in charge of the House, because I think the whole web of intrigue between Triel not being a particularly..."assertive" and confident leadership figure, Gromph doing his own thing in the shadows attempting to steer Triel in directions that are more beneficial towards his own particular goals, and Quenthel being...Quenthel, made for a more dynamic interplay.
Triel practically didn't care what Gromph did. And so the archmage could do almost anything he wanted, save perhaps making the society and government patriarchal. And Quenthel? Hah! She hates Gromph and does everything in her power to make him and his wizards useful but not powerful enough to oppose her and her schemes. You're right, though. Quenthel is not that intelligent. But her decisiveness, cruelty, and assertiveness make up for that, making her more suited (between her and Triel, that is) to the throne.
If Triel remains as the matriach, almost everyone can do s/he wishes. Or worse, she'd be a puppet to some cunning drow opportunists. So what's the point of having a leader? |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 24 Apr 2011 : 04:21:28
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Originally posted by Dennis
Triel practically didn't care what Gromph did. And so the archmage could do almost anything he wanted, save perhaps making the society and government patriarchal. And Quenthel? Hah! She hates Gromph and does everything in her power to make him and his wizards useful but not powerful enough to oppose her and her schemes. You're right, though. Quenthel is not that intelligent. But her decisiveness, cruelty, and assertiveness make up for that, making her more suited (between her and Triel, that is) to the throne.
If Triel remains as the matriach, almost everyone can do s/he wishes. Or worse, she'd be a puppet to some cunning drow opportunists. So what's the point of having a leader?
-Which made for good intrigue, of which is central to Drow society, good character/plot development, and good reading. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 24 Apr 2011 : 04:31:27
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Yvonnel Baenre was decisive, cruel, and assertive, too. But that didn't stop good intrigue in the drow society.
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Did Sarya actively participate in the battle? I read somewhere it was Malkizid who fought for her. |
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coach
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 18:09:36
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Iyraclea ... she's cold blooded!
(and no she's not dead :) ) |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 18:53:58
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Sounds dead to me:
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An excerpt from The Ruin
A towering mass of shadow appeared in front of the dracolich then swept forward like a wave racing toward the shore. Giants and wyrms scrambled to get out of the way. Those who failed broke part into small fragments, which then crumbled to powder. The darkness likewise obliterated the paving stones in its path, and as soon as the first of them shattered, the symbols on all the others stopped gleaming.
The wave raced on amid swirling dust. It surged over Kara's body, and Raryn, Taegan, and Brimstone's misty forms, and they too disappeared. At the opposite end of the square, it engulfed its actual target and halted with a suddenness no mundane matter could have matched. It clasped Iyraclea's slender form like amber encasing an insect.
Fissures ran through her skin as if she were a clay figure on the verge of breaking. Yet she didn't perish immediately, as lesser beings had. She chanted the Frostmaiden's name, and her body glowed like ice refracting sunlight, the blaze piercing the surrounding murk. She grew taller, as though the Cold Goddess was lending her more strength than a humansized frame could contain.
Then, however, Zethrindor roared another word, and the Ice Queen thrashed in agony. She was woman-sized again, her inner glow guttering out.
"Aur" she croaked, and a jagged crack split her luscious mouth and perfect face in two. Her left foot dropped away from its ankle. Then the shadow devoured her completely.
Afterward, the magic dwindled and disappeared like water draining into the ground. Evidently exhausted, Zethrindor slumped down. Dorn looked around and saw nothing but drifts of dust and the broad new scar across the plaza.
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Lord Karsus
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 22:41:07
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-Did being decapitated, hacked a bit, and devoured by shadows ever stop Jean Grey? Iyraclea just isn't trying hard enough.
No, but a difference between comics and the Realms is that in the Realms, it's possible to stay dead.  |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 04:09:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
-Did being decapitated, hacked a bit, and devoured by shadows ever stop Jean Grey? Iyraclea just isn't trying hard enough.
No, but a difference between comics and the Realms is that in the Realms, it's possible to stay dead.
Indeed. Though I must say that should someone ever feel inclined to bring her back, like what they did to Pharaun and others, s/he better have a good reason for it and present it with credibility. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 04:51:32
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Unfortunately, 'good reason' is a very relative term... |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 05:09:16
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Though a majority may agree on what it is. Resurrecting a character who died a pointless death only to give him another pointless death is hardly a good reason. And I think you know whom I refer to. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 05:20:51
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Not comics character. FR. And it's Pharaun. |
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Lord Karsus
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 05:25:31
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Not comics character. FR. And it's Pharaun.
-He was resurrected in the Fractured Sky series? And, then he died again? Oy vey...I didn't like the character too much, but...
I actually did like him. And didn't want him to die. We rarely see a drow who has a sense of humor. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 05:49:08
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So Drizzt doesn't have a sense a humor? Not even a mote? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 05:52:03
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Only Jean/Phoenix really has a valid reason to keep coming back.
Maybe for the first couple of times... but it's almost become something of a running joke now. Especially considering the hype around Hope, and whether she really is reborn-Jean in teenage form.
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 05:57:11
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Maybe they're taking the meaning of the "Phoenix" too literally? A being that can resurrect itself sans any outside help. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 06:25:48
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Only Jean/Phoenix really has a valid reason to keep coming back.
Maybe for the first couple of times... but it's almost become something of a running joke now. Especially considering the hype around Hope, and whether she really is reborn-Jean in teenage form.
-If it turns out that Hope is a reborn Jean, I'll admit that at least it's something new (like X-Force's reborn, young Apocalypse, that I didn't care for too much), but I soured on the idea. It seemed pretty cool when it was suggested at the end of Manifest Destiny, when Emma saw her doing her best Jean impression, but it soured on me. Then again, I don't like the whole "travel around the world activating other mutants' latent powers, Generation Hope" schpiel, either, so...Can't they just make her a little girl Cable is running around through time with, protecting her against Bishop again? 
-A ha! To keep it on topic:
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Apparently only Jarlaxle and Liriel are allowed to have one and live....
-Hey, that's mostly fine with me. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 06:50:55
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Driizt? Nah- his humor is too dry. He must be a Brithish drow....
As for Hope being Jean- I had not heard of that. I lost track sometime around her being in the future with Cable, and X-Factor's Layla being stuck in a future time. Then came Spidey's OMIT, and I cried. No, really. It made me so angry that I cried. And since I'm nowhere within thirty miles of a comic store, and can't afford subscriptions, I've not read a comic since then. But I LOVED what they did with Jean at the end of Phoenix: Endsong. Phoenix: Warsong was cool, too- and that was where I wish they'd left her. Madelyn coming back was sort of annoying to me, and I prefer Rachel as Phoenix anyway. She's got a better handle on it.
On topic- There IS at least ONE other drow with a sense of humor- but he's not canon. He's in my campaigns. And just for you, Sage- he's a bard. (Yes, he's MY bard....) And if he WAS canon, then his half-sister might qualify for the list of arch-villainesses above. Morganna's one MEAN be-otch! (And she's only half-drow, so she's got all sorts of issues!) |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 07:11:36
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Variance will probably be a "good" archvillainess. And perhaps the most interesting part would be to see how she would extricate herself from the strong clutch of Shade to be an independent meanie.
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Just curious, what do you prefer for an archvillainess, one who is purely evil, or one who's a little bit "shady"? |
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Edited by - Dennis on 01 May 2011 05:25:02 |
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Posted - 01 May 2011 : 05:50:59
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| Like them shady... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 May 2011 : 05:55:59
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Same here. I guess what makes a shady archvillainess (arguably) more interesting is that you often have to wonder what she will do next---as opposed to a pure evil one whose line of sight is completely straight. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 01 May 2011 : 06:02:55
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Originally posted by Dennis
To my fellow sribes,
Just curious, what do you prefer for an archvillainess, one who is purely evil, or one who's a little bit "shady"?
-The Banite Cleric from Finder's Bane andTymora's Luck, Walinda, was a great villainess. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 May 2011 : 06:11:05
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Dennis
To my fellow sribes,
Just curious, what do you prefer for an archvillainess, one who is purely evil, or one who's a little bit "shady"?
-The Banite Cleric from Finder's Bane andTymora's Luck, Walinda, was a great villainess.
Those have been in my To-Read stacks for a very long time. What exactly did she do that makes her great? Spanked Bane. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 01 May 2011 : 06:17:13
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Originally posted by Dennis
Those have been in my To-Read stacks for a very long time. What exactly did she do that makes her great? Spanked Bane.
-She embodied being a Banite very well- was evil, masochistic, wasn't averse to using her "womanly wiles" to get what she wanted, that kind of stuff- while, at the same time, was physically and emotionally/psychologically abused by her superior (which I won't say who he/she/it was, since you haven't read it yet). A very realistic character- and, she gets moreso in Tymora's Luck, based on decisions she makes. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 May 2011 : 06:24:28
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So she's insane. But then again, what villainess isn't?
How bad was her masochism? Like Dolgan's? Thoroughly enjoying pain? |
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Edited by - Dennis on 01 May 2011 06:51:57 |
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I had not read that. How did he die THIS time?