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GMWestermeyer
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 Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 17:49:56
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Originally posted by Joran Nobleheart
Sturm's passing, as well as how Flint's death was done, along with Paladine talking to Tass about it afterward. Flint's death really bothered me, even more than Sturm's. I think because of the true feeling that was expressed in that moment. Very moving. 
Oh, and I need to add that David Eddings, the author that got me really into the genre of fantasy, made me cry too. He's one that will truly be missed.
I agree with both of these. Realms novels haven't yet allowed me to get to know a character well enough to care when they died.
But Sturm's death was heart-breaking. As a whole that first trilogy doesn't stand the test of time well, but Sturm's death does.
And David Eddings really got me. At the end of Castle of Wizardry, after Ce'nedra has given her first recruiting speech and she realizes she has to lead these young men to their deaths, that scene always gets me.
A non-fiction that always gets me is in WEB Griffin's The Corps series. When Lt Col Stecker goes to see his son in the hospital on Guadalcanal, and his son's wingman is sitting thier donating blood and the wingman starts crying sayin he couldn't get the Zeros off him... and LtCol Stecker, whose already lost one son in the war, comforts the wingman... Damn. Just remembered that scene makes me tear up.
I don't think my lack of tears at any particular FR novel scene is a sign of poor writing quality though. I consider Griffin and Eddings to both be 'guilty pleasures' in the best sense of the world and I don't even buy Dragonlance novels anymore. I think the tears come because for various reasons I connect with those particular characters, it's a personal thing. I love reading about Danilo, or Giogi, and their authors are fine, fine writers. I just don't quite make the connection.
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GMWestermeyer
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 17:56:27
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I just thought of one that made me actually cry. It's not even a novel- just a short story in Realms of the Elves (Sorry, forgot the title) about an elven knight(?) of Sheverash whose family had been killed by drow during a surface raid, who went on a hunt to destroy a drow outpost. He ends up trying to save a little drow boy from his own companions, and they both are killed beacause they call him a traitor for not killing the child. It was very sad and sweet, because he realized that even they had children who were innocent, and he ends up in the Fugue Plane going to judgment with the boy, because he's too young to be pledged, and he doesn't want the boy to end up in the wall. Very moving story.
I can't believe I forgot that one. Yeah, that was powerful. I don't think I totally cried but it moved me. Primarily because I'm a father and it hit me right where I live (yeah, I get up in the middle of the night on occassion and obsessively patrol my house making certain the kids and wife are sleeping peacefully - I admit I'm a touch paranoid.
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Azuth
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 18:38:39
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I can certainly try and make the attempt, just as soon as I've discovered HOW exactly, I'm going to drop this into my next campaign session. 
How about a blight afflicting Cormyr, somewhere beyond, oh, the High Road. I can see the need for characters to investigate. And unlike ghazneths, dire grasshoppers do not require an Obarskyr to kill...or do they?  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 02:06:27
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Originally posted by GMWestermeyer
But Sturm's death was heart-breaking. As a whole that first trilogy doesn't stand the test of time well, but Sturm's death does.
I think the reason why Flint's death carries such an emotional impact for some readers, is due to the fact that we're slowly exposed to the greater problems of his condition as the story proceeds. We're along for the journey... from the first period of his shortness of breathe to, ultimately, his heart-attack.
I'm not devaluing the impact of Sturm's death... but heroic tragedy often evokes a different sort of reaction from the reader, than the "mundane" death of a character like Flint. We, as the reader, stand firmly behind Sturm. We know he's unlikely to prevail, but the heroism of his stand fortifies in the character in our mind. We admire his devotion and his final moment because of it. However, there was nothing truly special or heroic about Flint's death. He just... stopped. Couple that with the impact it had on Tasselhoff, and it becomes easier to see why some interpret Flint's death as entirely more tear-inducing than Sturm's final stand. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 02:51:03
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Didn't read this entire scroll before responding; but here goes:
I have never cried about a novel...I guess I just can't get into them enough. 
I WAS depressed when Sturm died though...heavily so...so much so that I put the book down and didn't pick it up again until the next day (and considering I had read the first book in a day, that was hard!).
It wasn't that he died...I got that. It was because he got totally punked with a single lance thrust. I mean what in the hells!?
He should have at LEAST been in a fight witht he damnable dragon and Kit...not just a frickin' lance thrust for crying out loud! Kit isn't THAT bad-ass. I mean, she could have missed, the dragon could have tried to claw him and missed, he could have slashed the dragons leg at least and been distracted and THEN got nailed...
I saw Flint dying from way off, even as a kid I saw that coming...but I thought he would die after a major fight or something...be found on the battle-field.
The only other book I remember that made me feel distressed maybe was when Eddard Stark got whacked...put that book down too...for a couple days. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 09:03:17
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I was also moved by that grand evacuation scene in Wrath of a Mad God where Pug had to make the very difficult decision of closing the multiple rifts from Kelewan to the "new world," thereby sentencing millions of Tsurani to death. He knew he had to save the Tsurani, but he also knew enough time to save them all he had none. And seeing it for himself, and doing it himself, hurt him all the more. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 21:52:57
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I was sad when Cat and Reg bit it in The Ghost King. I wasn't expecting it, and it really hit me.
Because of the 4E FRCG, I was more braced for Bruenor's departure in Gauntlgrym. He's been my favorite Realms character, so even with advance notice, it was definitely sad to see him go.
But by far the saddest was Thibbledorf Pwent's farewell. "All me life, for me king and me friend", indeed. Watching Pwent go from a mere cartoonish clobbering clown to a wounded veteran was painful. Hearing him come a-yelling through the cavern tunnels for one last bash-fest was heartwarming. And reading about his last breaths, with a huge smile on his face because he knew he'd given it his all, was so bittersweet.  |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 00:10:41
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Dalon, she rolled 3 20's in a row. It doesn't happen often.
But it does happen. I wish he would have nail the dragon in
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 05:23:04
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Originally posted by althen artren
Dalon, she rolled 3 20's in a row. It doesn't happen often.
But it does happen. I wish he would have nail the dragon in
the eye myself.
She rolled three 20's in a row? Are you serious? I mean, I know they PLAYED the characters...but did that really happen or are ya messing with me?  |
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Brynweir
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Posted - 05 Apr 2011 : 13:46:33
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Erevis Cale makes me cry. For me, he is a very poignant character. He reminds me a lot of Malcolm Reynolds in Firefly/ Serenity. You know what I mean, how he wants to just look out for himself and those he cares about, but there's too much strength and too much "good" inside him to allow him to do that.
Spoiler:The scene where Jak has been sort of suspended due to a partially completed regeneration, and Erevis has to go back and let him go. That really moved me. Or when he told Mask he would not use his powers, would not serve, but he ends up having to give in to that.
And I love how he is with Mask. 
As for non-Realms and a non-death scene, Janny Wurts makes me cry in her series The Wars of Light and Shadow. She has Arithon and Elaira who are essentially bonded to each other, love each other, and want nothing more than to be together, but they can't due to circumstances. She has one scene where their hands touch and their eyes meet. So much passes between them, it's just heart-wrenching. (Yeah, I'm a hopeless romantic and a cynic at the same time - hence my love of irony I believe. )
I just love the twisted irony in that whole series.
There are several scenes in Brent Weeks' Night Angel Trilogy that get me too. Again, they are not death scenes. They are scenes in which a character is driven to do something he/ she doesn't want to do, yet they must do for a greater good. Scenes when a person's inner strength show, scenes when you see them grow or change, those turning points in a person's life. You know what I mean. There is a boy who has been beaten and cowled his whole life, and he allows it to happen. Yet, when his friend is hurt, you see his spine stiffen, you see his chest swell, and his resolve firm. You see the man he will grow to become. It's tragic that it had to come about that way, and your heart aches for him, but at the same time you see that inner light and you know it'll be okay.
I love stories like that - real or fiction. I love when people are stronger than their circumstances. I love it when broken people don't break. Some of you will know exactly what I mean.  |
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He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness. 
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althen artren
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 00:07:39
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Im playin. I don't know. But sometimes characters who have no
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GMWestermeyer
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 00:26:05
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| I can't believe I had forgotten this, but Harry and Dumbledore's confrontationat the end of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix really got to me as well. Rowling writes grief well. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 03:55:05
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I almost cried tears of joy when Erik finally killed Meris in Ghostwalker....
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Azuth
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 04:28:07
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I'd have to say that Cattie Brie's swan song and her plea to Mielikki was a very touching moment. I love the fact that Bob has managed to keep his characters alive after death in his own special way. My suspicion is that he's already got Drizzt's death scene written for whenever he needs it.
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 06:43:56
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-I've never actually cried, or gotten anywhere near that sentimental reading Forgotten Realms literature, but here's my top 3 stories that I recall as being most "emotionally powerful" (in no particular order):
"Redemption" (Realms of War), by Elaine Cunningham: This one is notable three-fold. We witness Elaith utilizing necromancy to save his companions. Necromancy is a huge taboo among Elves, and him using it demonstrates just how far he's fallen, and yet, just how noble he still truly is, because of how he used it. Self-sacrifice themes, they're powerful. There were also internal monologues within Elaith's head where he basically sees Arilyn as something akin to a daughter, and notes that, in another world somewhere, where things went good with him and Amnestria, Arilyn could have been his daughter. And, finally, from a metagame standpoint, this short story was a build-up to Reclamation, and that book never came into fruition, and we'll never have a true ending for all of those characters. Sadness.
Twilight War trilogy, by Paul Kemp: Don't remember which specific book it was (I believe it was the second one, but I don't know for sure), but I recall a part where Riven was under the assumption that his dogs died. Happily, though, they didn't.
"Continuum" (Realms of War), by Paul Kemp: This is one of the best pieces of Forgotten Realms literature that there is. Honestly. The way in which Telamont's wife died- [I want] to be the instrument of your downfall- coupled with the ending- Discovering things was [Brennus'] gift? Pure genius. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 08:21:31
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
Twilight War trilogy, by Paul Kemp: Don't remember which specific book it was (I believe it was the second one, but I don't know for sure), but I recall a part where Riven was under the assumption that his dogs died. Happily, though, they didn't.
I think that's in Shadowbred. Characters who like dogs usually have my favor. That's one of the reasons I eventually like Riven, other than he's less inclined to brood than Cale, whom though I don't like I managed to tolerate; well, I had to, otherwise, I wouldn't have finished TW, despite the appearances of my favorite Shadovar.
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
"Continuum" (Realms of War), by Paul Kemp: This is one of the best pieces of Forgotten Realms literature that there is. Honestly. The way in which Telamont's wife died- [I want] to be the instrument of your downfall- coupled with the ending- Discovering things was [Brennus'] gift? Pure genius.
Agreed. A pity Rivalen never regretted this despicable act after TW. I sort of wished he would. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 16:45:19
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Originally posted by Brynweir
There are several scenes in Brent Weeks' Night Angel Trilogy that get me too. Again, they are not death scenes. They are scenes in which a character is driven to do something he/ she doesn't want to do, yet they must do for a greater good. Scenes when a person's inner strength show, scenes when you see them grow or change, those turning points in a person's life. You know what I mean. There is a boy who has been beaten and cowled his whole life, and he allows it to happen. Yet, when his friend is hurt, you see his spine stiffen, you see his chest swell, and his resolve firm. You see the man he will grow to become.
The confrontations of Durzo and Kylar often affected me. Despite his verbal denial, Durzo clearly cared about his protege as if he were his own son.
*I find Kylar and Doll Girl's love story too cheesy. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 17:58:53
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Originally posted by Dennis
I think that's in Shadowbred. Characters who like dogs usually have my favor. That's one of the reasons I eventually like Riven, other than he's less inclined to brood than Cale, whom though I don't like I managed to tolerate; well, I had to, otherwise, I wouldn't have finished TW, despite the appearances of my favorite Shadovar.
-Riven was definitley a character that I was very half-hearted towards, but over the development of the character in both trilogies, really grew on me.
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Originally posted by Dennis
Agreed. A pity Rivalen never regretted this despicable act after TW. I sort of wished he would.
-Heh. I copied that from a review I wrote for the book. The last two sentences, that I didn't include, were, "Its just too bad that the FRCG ruined things, since we know that Prince Rivalen is still among the living and doing just fine. The climax that this short story alluded to- Brennus and/or Lord Shadow vs. Rivalen- would have been spectacular."
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Brynweir
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 20:49:51
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Originally posted by Dennis
The confrontations of Durzo and Kylar often affected me. Despite his verbal denial, Durzo clearly cared about his protege as if he were his own son.
*I find Kylar and Doll Girl's love story too cheesy.
I know. I love how Kylar figures out just how much Durzo cares, and that they say things all the time without really saying them, but they know the other one understands.
I completely agree about Doll Girl. I couldn't stand that character personally, and I'm glad things ended the way they did.
I love how Weeks kind of poked fun at himself and his story too. "I am your father." |
Anyone who likes to read something that's really dark and gritty and completely awesome ought to read The Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks. You can check out a little taste at www.BrentWeeks.com I should probably warn you, though, that it is definitely not PG-13 :-D
He also started a new Trilogy with Black Prism, which may even surpass the Night Angel Trilogy in its awesomeness.
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Dennis
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 07:41:18
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Originally posted by Brynweir
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Originally posted by Dennis
The confrontations of Durzo and Kylar often affected me. Despite his verbal denial, Durzo clearly cared about his protege as if he were his own son.
*I find Kylar and Doll Girl's love story too cheesy.
I know. I love how Kylar figures out just how much Durzo cares, and that they say things all the time without really saying them, but they know the other one understands.
I completely agree about Doll Girl. I couldn't stand that character personally, and I'm glad things ended the way they did.
I love how Weeks kind of poked fun at himself and his story too. "I am your father."
I wished Jarl and Kylar ended up as lovers. They are definitely perfect for each other! |
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Dennis
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 07:57:52
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by Dennis
Agreed. A pity Rivalen never regretted this despicable act after TW. I sort of wished he would.
-Heh. I copied that from a review I wrote for the book. The last two sentences, that I didn't include, were, "Its just too bad that the FRCG ruined things, since we know that Prince Rivalen is still among the living and doing just fine. The climax that this short story alluded to- Brennus and/or Lord Shadow vs. Rivalen- would have been spectacular."
-Still something that could happen, but I wouldn't have my heart in it, with everything that's happened.
I've been thinking...Knowing how much Brennus loved his mother, as she did him, would he risk everything to avenge her death by killing Rivalen, or by telling his brothers about the matricide? Even if that means earning the Most High's wrath---which can either result to his banishment, or worse, death? Some people are driven to undertake desperate measures to right what is wrong. I wonder if Brennus is this kind of man. |
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 12:08:17
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I've been thinking...Knowing how much Brennus loved his mother, as she did him, would he risk everything to avenge her death by killing Rivalen, or by telling his brothers about the matricide? Even if that means earning the Most High's wrath---which can either result to his banishment, or worse, death? Some people are driven to undertake desperate measures to right what is wrong. I wonder if Brennus is this kind of man.
I sort of hope he is. A showdown between the two is bound to happen. It will be interesting to see how Paul spins the confrontation, whether or not Brennus has the guts to see it through, or he confirms his loyalty to Rivalen and co. Either way, it will be a very exciting part to read about. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 12:19:55
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Originally posted by Elfinblade
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Originally posted by Dennis
I've been thinking...Knowing how much Brennus loved his mother, as she did him, would he risk everything to avenge her death by killing Rivalen, or by telling his brothers about the matricide? Even if that means earning the Most High's wrath---which can either result to his banishment, or worse, death? Some people are driven to undertake desperate measures to right what is wrong. I wonder if Brennus is this kind of man.
I sort of hope he is. A showdown between the two is bound to happen. It will be interesting to see how Paul spins the confrontation, whether or not Brennus has the guts to see it through, or he confirms his loyalty to Rivalen and co. Either way, it will be a very exciting part to read about.
Will any of his brothers side with him? Only Brennus was close to their mother; and there wasn't any mention that his brothers particularly cared about their mother as much as he did.
Telamont would be torn. He couldn't afford to lose Rivalen, the leader of the city's faithful, nor [despite his threat in Shadowrealm] Brennus, the city's most powerful diviner. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 11:55:05
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Nakor's death in Wrath of a Mad God by Raymond E. Feist stung, too. I kinda expected he'd live forever. And it felt different, a bit strange, reading the succeeding novels without the usual funny, witty comments by Nakor, and without seeing his mysterious bag that had an endless supply of oranges.
I also felt sad seeing Erik do the ultimate sacrifice... More because it's a painful but honest reminder of the limit of one's mortality. |
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 15:01:49
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Nakor's death in Wrath of a Mad God by Raymond E. Feist stung, too. I kinda expected he'd live forever. And it felt different, a bit strange, reading the succeeding novels without the usual funny, witty comments by Nakor, and without seeing his mysterious bag that had an endless supply of oranges.
I also felt sad seeing Erik do the ultimate sacrifice... More because it's a painful but honest reminder of the limit of one's mortality.
Nakor's death did sting, but for me, so did Jimmy's. He was my favorite character from all of the books.
It was also sad in Prince of the Blood when Kulgan made a comment and then paused out of habit for Father Tully to respond, then he remembered Tully was dead. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 15:07:50
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Let's try to remember SPOILERS, eh?
[I'll note that I've still to read Wrath of a Mad God.]
Everything that's been said so far by yours truly and our fellow scribes are spoilers. So I edited the title to include *spoilers.* Besides, death scenes are always a spoiler. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 15:23:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Nakor's death in Wrath of a Mad God by Raymond E. Feist stung, too. I kinda expected he'd live forever. And it felt different, a bit strange, reading the succeeding novels without the usual funny, witty comments by Nakor, and without seeing his mysterious bag that had an endless supply of oranges.
I also felt sad seeing Erik do the ultimate sacrifice... More because it's a painful but honest reminder of the limit of one's mortality.
Nakor's death did sting, but for me, so did Jimmy's. He was my favorite character from all of the books.
Aye. And Gamina's, too. If I remember it right, it was in Rage of a Demon King.
And oh! Jimmy being your favorite is no surprise. You like all mischievous [though sometimes noble] characters.
I wasn't really that affected by Caleb's and Miranda's deaths. But seeing the effects of such loss to Pug, I did feel sad for him. I wonder if he could still bear the pain if he also loses Magnus. |
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Lady Shadowflame
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Posted - 11 Sep 2011 : 19:42:04
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The first that made me cry was a Tamora Pierce book. The last of Daine's series - when Rikash dies, and Daine just screams his name in disbelief and grief.
We'd seen him get humanised, as it were, and be sort of sympathetic in his own way - and I rather liked some of his snarkiness.
And then when Daine realises only then that he was her friend, only after he gives his life fighting a horrible creature... yeah. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 21 Sep 2011 : 12:55:56
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I nearly cried when Phyrea didn't die in Lies of Light. But for an entirely different reason. |
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The Fantasy Novel That Made You Cry *Spoilers*
