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Jelennet
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 07:22:48
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Mods, if you think that it is not the right place for this question just remove it...
Books about Harry Potter are very famous. I am not a big fan of them, but I'm still curious. Imagine that Harry was born in the Realms. Would he become a wizard or a sorceror? One the one hand kids in Harry Potter have an inborn talent for magic like sorcerors. On the other hand they study magic like wizards.
And what would be Harry's level in the Realms? And what would be Dumbledore's level in the Realms?
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Alystra Illianniis
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 07:26:03
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| I think he would live in Amn, where he would have a hard time with the hatred of the folk to the arcane art. And the family of his would be real hell. |
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Jelennet
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 07:27:42
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Hmm, I think Dumbledore's already IN the Realms. He's called Elminster there.... :P
How can that be?!! You mean that Elminster is GAY?!!!!! |
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 07:28:52
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We are not sure about this.
I mean, he is pretty wacky... |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Lord of Bones
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 07:58:23
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Lol. No, it was just a joke. And I don't think Dumbledore is actually gay. The ACTOR, maybe, but I never got that vibe about the character.
No, no. Dumbledore is gay. It's not a terribly important plot point, but it serves to widen the spectrum of character 'types' in Rowling's books for him to have been in a gay relationship with ta wizard by the name of Grindelwald, mentioned in the final book. The one he's forced to end up fighting and ends up locked in some tower somewhere offshore (it's been a while since I read them, so I may have got some details wrong). Rowling has confirmed this herself at a Q&A. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 08:11:28
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J.K Rowling publicly ANNOUNCED that Dumbledore is indeed GAY. He was in love with his best friend. And El might be gay, if his short existence as Elmara be the basis. But he's madly in love with the Simbul and flirts with several women. So maybe he's bi. Doesn't really matter...well, at least to me.
To the OP, I think Harry would be a sorcerer – a learned sorcerer, that is. He'd shown magical ability even before he got to Hogwarts. Remember that scence with the snake in book 1? 'Learned' I say because he'd be formally taught by or apprenticed to a senior wizard/sorcerer in Cormyr, Sembia, or Waterdeep – maybe by the Blackstaff himself.
Level? Maybe somewhere near Galaeron Nihmedu's (sp?), that annoying elf in RotA. And Dumbledore's level would be like Vangey's. |
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Jelennet
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 08:19:00
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| Who is Vangey? |
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Dennis
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 09:28:06
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Originally posted by Jelennet
Who is Vangey?
Vangerdahast, court wizard of Cormyr, former pupil of Elminster's; and a more scheming, meddling old man you'll never find. |
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Saxmilian
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 14:22:17
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well alot of the spells from the Potter series are generally low(er) level. Disarm, Knock, Levitate, mending. Power Word Kill is a biggie, though in Goblet of Fire the teacher says "now you (kids) can say it all day long and you wont so much as make someone ill" (paraphrase'd) so obviously is a good-aligned spellcaster region. Teleportation (Apperate in the series)dont happen (by law)until a wizard reaches the age of 18.
I figure Harry (and his friends) are level 1 Sorcerer in the beginiing of the series and quickly play out 5-8 by most of the movies. In the final books (or for the unrelesed movies for those who dont read) they'd hit about 12-13th level.
Wands in HP would replace the need for Spell Components (more like a universal spell component focus) and provide a Caster Level bonus of 1-2 (Harrys wand was 'special' and I'd say provided a +1 Caster Level. Rons which was damaged a -1 CL or at least spell failure) |
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Kilvan
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 14:35:24
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Lol. No, it was just a joke. And I don't think Dumbledore is actually gay. The ACTOR, maybe, but I never got that vibe about the character.
Michael Gambon (Dumbledore 2.0) is not gay, nor was Richard Harris (Dumbledore 1.0), though the character is. You may be mistaken with Sir Ian McKellen (Gandalf), who IS gay. As far as I now, Gandalf (the character) is not. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 16:12:20
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WHY, exactly, do the sexual preferences of a character have any bearing on this discussion?
I find it inappropriate (for the topic at-hand).
Anyhow, big Harry Potter fan here. If you were to place Hogwarts I would say Moonshaes would make the best fit (although still far from perfect), with Cormyr being a pretty good home for Beauxbatons Academy, and somewhere around Narfell for the Durmstrang Institute. Swapping the Cormyr/Moonshaes ones would be okay - I am just going by the 'vibe' of those FR nations for their earthly counterparts. The Durmstrang Institute could even be placed in Sossal. Silverymoon would also make a great home for Beauxbatons.
And of course Halruua (pre-plague) for all three.
Their magic needs an overhaul - not much logic to it and converting it to rules would be hard. Obviously NOT Vancian - more fatigue-based (point system or even 4e's powers).
Harry would be a Sorcerer with levels of Wizard (natural talent combined with schooling). Very few Sorcerers in the Rawlings universe, except for magical creatures.
I like the whole 'wand thing', but that would also have to be better defined within the rules. Wizards NEED wands, but Harry has cast magic without one.
Dumbledore is the equivalent of Merlin/Gandalf, not Elminster. Elminster is too epic - Dumbledore's abilities were more restrained. However, like Harry, he does appear to posses some natural talent (psionics?) that goes beyond what most Wizards learn from books (so in that regard, he would be like El, but conforming more to the low-magic nature of the Rawlingverse).
Serevis Snape is the most interesting character. While I found him cliche' in the earlier books, he became very complex (and therefore interesting) as the series matured. He would probably be a Chosen of Mystra in FR.
Voldemort is also a cliche', but given that the novels work in reverse - with the Dark Lord having very little power at first - it works. The twist on the character saves it from being too 'tropey'. Not many bad guys start off dead and are trying to make it back (except maybe Chucky). 
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 16:18:25
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Originally posted by Markustay
WHY, exactly, do the sexual preferences of a character have any bearing on this discussion?
I find it inappropriate (for the topic at-hand).
I'm inclined to agree. I think this subject is somewhat outside the scope of this discussion. |
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Acolyte Thirteen
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 17:35:51
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I wonder about Elminster's orientation...
Should a new 'scroll' be started for this, to avoid 'scroll-drift'? |
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The Sage
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 18:45:37
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I made a character based on Severus Snape. He was... let me check...
Here it is! "CR 17, NE male human werebat Wiz10/Halruaan elder 5", the werebat part coming of course from the rumors around Hogwarts
So any other character of HP series I would be putting in Halruaa too. Everpresent magic, schools of magic, nobody wonders. The teachers would be 15-18 level, with Halruaan elder thrown in, or maybe loremaster. The students would be up to 10th level. All wizards, of course.
Harry of course would come from a more secluded part of Halruaa, with his aunt and uncle not having the Art and thus being excluded from the mainstream social life at Halarahh and Halathorm (sp). Similar situation with Hermione, but her parents would take it better. Ron would come from the outskirts of Halarahh, a not-so-wealthy family but all gifted with the Art (Mr. Weasley having ~14 levels in a Wizard, no Halruaan Elder). |
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Markustay
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Posted - 10 Oct 2010 : 19:38:04
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Considering Elminster has been a female for an extended period, at least on one occasion we know of, and given the fact that he can change shape at will, and has lived amongst Elves - who do not even understand the human concept of 'sexual preference' - I would say that Elminster's orientation is NOT in question. Also consider the 'boredom factor' involved in being a thousand years old (people in the entertainment industry get the 'itch' after only a few years).
Also consider the Realms aren't Earth, and our own moires do not apply here: Very few Faerunian cultures frown upon such things.
Ed doesn't need to say it - that would be.... hand-tying... for want of a better way of putting it. It is a given, and needn't be discussed, simply because it is a non-issue.
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Acolyte Thirteen
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Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 00:03:33
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Right, Markustay! Well said! I would also add, Uncle El has drifted across the 'specie-barrier' as well, in the Lore! But yeah, maybe it's no good for me to be Eminster bi-curious! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 01:08:44
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quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Considering Elminster has been a female for an extended period, at least on one occasion we know of, and given the fact that he can change shape at will, and has lived amongst Elves - who do not even understand the human concept of 'sexual preference' - I would say that Elminster's orientation is NOT in question.
Indeed. And I recall past commentary from Ed also supporting this. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 11 Oct 2010 : 03:18:07
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| Hmm. Okay, i was unaware of Dumbledore's, ah, tnedencies, if you will. I have only read up to the last two books, so I never got as far as that. And wasn't he dead by then, anyway? He got killed at the end of Half-Blood Prince, So how is he even in the last book? Or do I need to wait for the movie to find out? I'd say he's close to level 18 or so, with Harry and friends all being around 14/15 at that point. As for Elminster, even as a woman, he still had very much a male's POV (Sorry, born one- gonna make a difference, regardless of his current gender at the time.) So I really don't think he could be considered "gay" even as a woman. He still went for the ladies. Anywho, what about Tethyr for a base? Or Luskan? Seems like a good place for them- they have/had the Tower, yet magic generally is not liked there. The perfect setting for wizardly "outsiders"- and remember, the wizarding society was most definitely on the outskirts of the rest of society in the HP books. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 : 09:19:03
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Some factors to consider -
- Harry Potter's world might be, in D&D terms, a "low magic" setting. Possible caps on max spell levels, possible additional "casting cost" to the spellcaster, less spells and magic stuff available in the world.
- Wands might simply be a required material/somatic component for all spells, can't (normally) cast any of these spells without one. The apparent quality of wands (Harry vs Ron, for instance) is possibly more a function of the spellcaster's (in)competence than the wand itself, though perhaps different wands might grant bonuses to certain skills or feats when used by someone "compatible"?
- Many effects normally attributed to D&D spells are apparently not possible, whereas others might be "cast" in entirely different ways (alchemy, shapeshifting, etc).
- Semi-sentient flying cars, time travel trinkets, and talking paintings suggests that magic items are plentiful, though perhaps usually disguised as mundane items. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 : 11:47:43
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| AHHH please don't ruin the realms by mentioning Harry Potter along with it....yuck!!! |
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Kno
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 : 13:37:08
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| banish him to Eberron, together with the chu-chu trains |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 : 15:36:42
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I think of wands as a 'foci', which there were rules for somewhere in 3e. A personal magical device linked to its creator/user and which grants certain magical bonuses (in a point-based system, it would allow you to cast spells at a lower cost).
Within the Vancian System, using it a an 'all-purpose' magic component works fairly well.
In the Rawlingverse, spells can only be performed by magical creatures, ergo the logic is that a wand - made of components of magical creatures - allows a normally non-magical human to use magic.
Over time, certain 'bloodlines' (Wizards) attained a level of arcane acuity, and became quasi-magical creatures themselves. However, normal humans occasionally develop the talent, and some of ancient Wizard bloodlines do not, thus establishing that there is a 'magic gene' within Rawlings' alternate Earth.
It is a given that only persons of Wizard blood can see magical creatures, but this rule is broken numerous times. Normal humans can be affected by magical creatures without being able to see them. This establishes that there is some sort of 'Border Ethereal' Plane that magical creatures dwell within, and wizards can see-into and interact with.
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Originally posted by Alisttair
AHHH please don't ruin the realms by mentioning Harry Potter along with it....yuck!!!
Yes, the Realms are SO much better...
And I think every single author that has ever written for the Realms wishes they were J.K.Rawlings. 
Say what you want, but numbers never lie. If the world she created was so awful, none of us would even know his name. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 : 16:12:27
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Originally posted by Markustay
And I think every single author that has ever written for the Realms wishes they were J.K.Rawlings.
Say what you want, but numbers never lie. If the world she created was so awful, none of us would even know his name.
Well they might wish they had J.K.'s success....but hey it is awful...numbers don't lie....lots of people have bad taste 
(I am of course just stating that I personally don't like the Harry Potter stuff - I even get angry at people when they say its like Lord of the Rings ) |
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Markustay
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 : 16:33:31
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NO, its NOT like LotR.
Is more like Narnia, which is also aimed at 'Young Adults' (and yet has a massive adult fanbase).
However, The Hobbit was written in a somewhat different style then Tolkien's other works, so it could be lumped-in with that story.
Say what you want - it may not be 'literature', but a good yarn is a good yarn. Hot Wings aren't gourmet either, but people luv 'em just the same. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 : 17:07:45
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Originally posted by Markustay
However, The Hobbit was written in a somewhat different style then Tolkien's other works, so it could be lumped-in with that story.
This I can say I read twice and enjoyed despite the obviousness that it is written for children (I think Snow White and the Seven Dwarves ripped off of this a bit) lol.
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Alisttair
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Posted - 14 Oct 2010 : 17:09:24
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Originally posted by Markustay
Hot Wings aren't gourmet either, but people luv 'em just the same.
Hmmm, good metaphor that works for me. Especially Suicide Wings. They are like Harry Potter. Some people love them, but for the life of me I just can't understand why  - they both make me cry |
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Alystra Illianniis
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