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barry
Acolyte
South Africa
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 Posted - 07 Oct 2003 : 19:47:19
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i have placed this question in another forum but would like to get the perspective of the knowledgeble scribes. who do you think is the most powerful wizard in realms in the books and the those that have the better specs in the campaign settings such and fr seting and lords of darkness ect
who are the surviving netherleese arcanist in the realms and would they have superior spellcraft knowlege. do your think they are in the unkwonn lands (whats your theory)
sorry about all the questions but if don't ask...............
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Trafaldi
Learned Scribe
264 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2003 : 23:32:48
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| Im probably wrong but i am going to say Eliminster juet to spark the arguement. |
Some believe there is something more after death, if you really want to find out... go kill yourself and stop pestering me. |
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MuadDib
Senior Scribe
South Africa
442 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2003 : 06:40:56
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My immediate answer would be Elminster or The Simbul. Why? Because they are the only two I have read about so take that!! ha ha ha
Ok, but then, between the two of them, it depends what you take for fact, and what is character opinion. In the Seven Sister booklet thingymabob, Mordenkainen says he believes that Allasra could best any two of them in an open spell battle. Yet, in the novel Elminster in Hell, he does battle with her, and he wins. Well, sorts, he kicks her till she bleeds, but you know what i mean.
So there is my two very uneducated cents on the matter. For further reference, I stand with Sage and Bookwyrm  |
MuadDib - Candlekeep Inn Barhand |
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2003 : 13:18:57
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| Well if yu happen to come across the second edtion books for DarSun called Dragons Kings. You can read about someone I wont talk about. I will let you read that book under the wizard section and let you formulate your own opinion. However..... If I could rase a NATION of undead at a thought. I think i would be in the buisness of ruling. |
"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
I have the passwords to the minds of everyone and the cheat codes to the universe - Me |
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Arion Elenim
Senior Scribe
933 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2003 : 15:43:33
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I believe that the Blackstaff is the most INTERESTING of FR archmages - a great character...
However, I believe that Karsus the Mad of Netheril was the most powerful mage of all time.... |
My latest Realms-based short story, about a bard, a paladin of Lathander and the letter of the law, Debts Repaid. It takes place before the "shattering" and gives the bard Arion a last gasp before he plunges into the present.http://candlekeep.com/campaign/logs/log-debts.htm |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2003 : 04:43:08
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| Elminster struck me as one of the more powerful mages. |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 13 Oct 2003 : 13:05:37
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| Yeah I have to agree with you on that one Lina. He does strike me as one of the most powerful as well. But mark my words the Dragon Kings are so much more powerful. But thats in DarkSun not FR. |
"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
I have the passwords to the minds of everyone and the cheat codes to the universe - Me |
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Blacksage
Acolyte
31 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 00:17:19
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Wait and see,
Who the most powerful will be,
Elminster, Halaster.. all will flee,
From crumbling to dust before me.
(from the diary of a mad mage)
(it is supposed to be the last entry,
before he vanished into unknown) |
till the daggers part... |
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
275 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 00:46:43
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| If we say ever lived that one would be Azuth. he was the first magister able to defeat a god in a spell battle.He defeated Savras and their battle took years.No lorloch or karsus is a match for him, I should say was actually. |
Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 01:38:21
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Elminster is invincable,how could anyone be greater.I guess Ed made him that way on purpose so he couldn't be defeated. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
275 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 01:52:55
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| Yes there are many people despise El because of his great power but if I wrote a book and created a char to be my hero I would not want him or her die too. But actually without choosen abilities he is nothing for me. |
Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
-Jander Sunstar |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 03:10:34
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Originally posted by Jander Sunstar
Yes there are many people despise El because of his great power but if I wrote a book and created a char to be my hero I would not want him or her die too. But actually without choosen abilities he is nothing for me.
I didn't say it was right but He is the most Powerful. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2003 : 14:56:35
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| No he is not. Damnit find the hard to find supplement "Dragon Kings". Read about the wizards. Yeah. Thats power. El has nothing on the leader of that group. For crying out loud his spells can raize a NATION of undead or just do you 3000 dmg. |
"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
I have the passwords to the minds of everyone and the cheat codes to the universe - Me |
Edited by - Cult_Leader on 17 Oct 2003 14:57:35 |
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Dark_Lord
Seeker
63 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 00:07:54
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| Actually Halaster is higher level than Elminster. I'm not sure but I also think that Tam and Larloch are too. |
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
275 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 00:16:24
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I don't know anything about the scroll you mentioned but I insist that Azuth was the greatest and it is hard to say that El is now
Dark Lord level is not everithing but I believe a spell duell both with Larloch or Szass Tam between El is imposible because all of them prefer to come to battle with all of their allies. |
Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
-Jander Sunstar |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 00:27:12
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The answer depends also upon what edition.
In 3e, Elminster is the NPC with the highest CR(the highest CR monster is the great wyrm prismatic dragon). He is higher level than Alassra, Larloch, Halaster and Szass Tam. Azuth is higher level than Elminster, however. Those statistics do not take into account the Epic Level Handbook, which increases his level dramatically, likely.
In 2e, Alassra and Halaster are higher level than Elminster, while Szass Tam ties with him.
It basically comes down to which qualities you are looking at. Elminster has the most sheer power, but Larloch can field endless armies onto a battlefield, while Halaster has the largest dungeon. |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2003 : 23:30:00
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Elminster probably has the most powerful allies too.Get the books back out Arivia. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2003 : 02:25:42
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| For what? I was just providing some examples. |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2003 : 07:34:02
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Originally posted by Arivia
For what? I was just providing some examples.
I was teasing,I guess you took it as sarcasm.I know you have the books but I knew you looked this stuff up that you don't memorize
and there is nothimg wrong with that. |
Courage isn't the lack of fear but rather believing in and doing what you know is right even though fear is present.
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Lolth slayer
Acolyte
United Kingdom
39 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2003 : 14:18:56
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Correct me if I'm wrong but theoretically the Shrinshee would be one of the most powerful mages, she was 6? levels higher than Elminster (going by 2nd edition rules), more powerful still than Larloch, and she could cast High Magic
There was also Emperor shoon, who was a 32nd level Archlich(2nd ed again)
But I wouldn't like to mageduel Elminster seeing as he always used to break the 2nd ed rules for character creation - He'd probably cheat. |
I demand a recount! my contestant is a dope fiend!-
-Ahfera Derunadel, Gold elf mage after losing a magedual against a Red Wizard-
We can't stop here! This is Bat country!
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Cyric
Senior Scribe
Norway
388 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2003 : 16:11:06
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| By the way who is Larloch and Szass Tam |
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Jander Sunstar
Learned Scribe
Turkey
275 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2003 : 16:27:26
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Originally posted by Cyric
By the way who is Larloch and Szass Tam
Larloch is an ultra lich 42 lv in 2nd ed and 32 lv in 3rd ed with 34 int 24 wis and also the only known survivor of Netheril. He has also control over 100 s of liches. he can cast 17th lv spell and his CR 34 (not bad)
Szass Tam was 29 lv necromancer in 2nd ed. He is the head of Thay.
And a rumour I heard Lorloch controls Tam now. |
Punish me if you will, for my hands are not clean. But deny me not my revenge!"
-Jander Sunstar |
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William of Waterdeep
Senior Scribe
USA
829 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2003 : 23:56:17
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Originally posted by Cult_Leader
No he is not. Damnit find the hard to find supplement "Dragon Kings". Read about the wizards. Yeah. Thats power. El has nothing on the leader of that group. For crying out loud his spells can raize a NATION of undead or just do you 3000 dmg.
+ = Yes he is.Damnit |
Edited by - William of Waterdeep on 27 Oct 2003 23:59:42 |
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